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Old 12-18-2014, 12:10 AM   #41
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Where did you get Charlotte in this?
We need to move two average point guards. Charlotte is desperate to move Stephenson and would probably take anything of value. They might even throw in Vonleh
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If we're talking/Wright/(Nelson or Felton)/picks/sweetener (Aminu or Crowder), then I'm all in...

Rondo
Ellis
Parsons
Nowitzki
Chandler

Harris, Barea, Aminu and/or Crowder coming off the bench... Maybe add a healthy Okafor or trade for another center to back up Chandler? See if Villanueva can earn some minute's behind Dirk -- or maybe take a look at a healthy Rashard Lewis? Wright can be replaced.

Also, the Mavs suck at perimeter defense... Rondo does not.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12...ks-trade-talks

"The Boston Celtics, after years of flirting with potential Rajon Rondo deals, are in substantive discussions on a trade that would send Rondo to the Dallas Mavericks, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Celtics and Mavericks have been discussing a swap that would furnish Boston with multiple draft picks -- including at least one future first-rounder -- as well as blossoming Mavericks center Brandan Wright and other players needed to make the salary-cap math work.

Sources say the Celtics also have been talking to teams such as the Sacramento Kings, New York Knicks, Los Angeles Lakers and Houston Rockets about potential Rondo deals, but that the most advanced discussions have been with Dallas.

Rondo shrugged off the latest trade talk Wednesday night after Boston's 109-92 win over the Orlando Magic.

"[Trade talk has been] a way of life since I've been here," he said. "It's just part of it."

Rondo, while maintaining that his preference is to continue his career in Boston, has left little doubt in recent months that he intends to test the market as a free agent in July as opposed to signing an extension with the Celtics. However, sources say that Dallas, amid growing concern about its point guard play and sensing the opportunity to acquire a top-flight player it has coveted for some time, is confident it could win over Rondo for the long term if trade terms can be finalized with the Celtics.

If a trade comes to fruition, Rondo would join Dirk Nowitzki, Monta Ellis, Tyson Chandler and Chandler Parsons in a high-octane starting five.

The risk for Dallas, of course, is that Rondo could leave town in free agency in the summer if he is determined to move on or can't come to terms on a new deal with the Mavericks. That scenario could burn the veteran-laden Mavs, given the multiple quality assets they would have to sacrifice to get him.

It remains to be seen whether Celtics general manager Danny Ainge will continue to try to shop for offers or jump on the assets Dallas is offering in exchange for the mercurial point guard, knowing that he could leave Boston in the summer without the Celtics receiving any compensation.

Although the Celtics have been insisting since the season began that they aren't actively looking to move Rondo, Dallas and Houston are among the teams that have been chasing him for some time. It's believed that the Mavericks are pressing the issue earlier than expected in the season to give Rondo more time to settle in.

The Mavericks began the season with the challenge of integrating two new major pieces in Parsons and the returning Chandler, but concerns have developed through the first quarter of the season about the lack of a top-flight floor leader and shot creator to set up the many weapons at the disposal of coach Rick Carlisle."
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If we're talking/Wright/(Nelson or Felton)/picks/sweetener (Aminu or Crowder), then I'm all in...

Rondo
Ellis
Parsons
Nowitzki
Chandler

Harris, Barea, Aminu and/or Crowder coming off the bench... Maybe add a healthy Okafor or trade for another center to back up Chandler? See if Villanueva can earn some minute's behind Dirk -- or maybe take a look at a healthy Rashard Lewis? Wright can be replaced.

Also, the Mavs suck at perimeter defense... Rondo does not.

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I still think Mihinmi would be the perfect target to replace Wright if we lose him in a Rondo deal.
Mihinmi is familiar with the system and would provide just about everything we need at a reasonable price with one year left.
And then maybe bring Sarge back (assuming Smith is sent to Indy).

Rondo/JJ
Ellis/Harris/Ledo
Parsons/Jefferson
Dirk/Aminu/CV
Chandler/Mihinmi/Sarge

Out: Wright/Crowder/Nelson/Smith/Felton

That is one hell of a balanced team and a definite contender.
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As others have said, picks plus players not named Dirk, Monta or Chandler, I'm all in. Mavs would likely have their pick of vet free agent bigs to replace Wright, too.

Edit to add: ought to go without saying given his history with the team, but Devin stays, too. And really, outside of Brandan, I don't think there's another significant Mavs' contributor (outside the big 4) that Boston would value highly enough to make it a sticking point in any deal. Devin and JJB are win-now vets, and Aminu wouldn't come with Bird Rights so there'd be little advantage to getting him.
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"The Boston Celtics, after years of flirting with potential Rajon Rondo deals, are in substantive discussions on a trade that would send Rondo to the Dallas Mavericks, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Celtics and Mavericks have been discussing a swap that would furnish Boston with multiple draft picks -- including at least one future first-rounder -- as well as blossoming Mavericks center Brandan Wright and other players needed to make the salary-cap math work.

Sources say the Celtics also have been talking to teams such as the Sacramento Kings, New York Knicks, Los Angeles Lakers and Houston Rockets about potential Rondo deals, but that the most advanced discussions have been with Dallas.

Rondo shrugged off the latest trade talk Wednesday night after Boston's 109-92 win over the Orlando Magic.

"[Trade talk has been] a way of life since I've been here," he said. "It's just part of it."

Rondo, while maintaining that his preference is to continue his career in Boston, has left little doubt in recent months that he intends to test the market as a free agent in July as opposed to signing an extension with the Celtics. However, sources say that Dallas, amid growing concern about its point guard play and sensing the opportunity to acquire a top-flight player it has coveted for some time, is confident it could win over Rondo for the long term if trade terms can be finalized with the Celtics.

If a trade comes to fruition, Rondo would join Dirk Nowitzki, Monta Ellis, Tyson Chandler and Chandler Parsons in a high-octane starting five.

The risk for Dallas, of course, is that Rondo could leave town in free agency in the summer if he is determined to move on or can't come to terms on a new deal with the Mavericks. That scenario could burn the veteran-laden Mavs, given the multiple quality assets they would have to sacrifice to get him.

It remains to be seen whether Celtics general manager Danny Ainge will continue to try to shop for offers or jump on the assets Dallas is offering in exchange for the mercurial point guard, knowing that he could leave Boston in the summer without the Celtics receiving any compensation.

Although the Celtics have been insisting since the season began that they aren't actively looking to move Rondo, Dallas and Houston are among the teams that have been chasing him for some time. It's believed that the Mavericks are pressing the issue earlier than expected in the season to give Rondo more time to settle in.

The Mavericks began the season with the challenge of integrating two new major pieces in Parsons and the returning Chandler, but concerns have developed through the first quarter of the season about the lack of a top-flight floor leader and shot creator to set up the many weapons at the disposal of coach Rick Carlisle."
This is the move many people pinpointed as one that could put the Mavericks over the top. Rondo would hurt their spacing but he is such a plus in so many areas on the court it would be hard not to see this as a huge win for Dallas.

Still, would be a killer for front court depth if the Mavericks can't get a min level player back from Boston. Maybe Okafor will become available for the vet min by midseason? Either way, exciting development.
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Not sure how I feel about this yet as B.Wright looks likely to be part of the deal. I've always thought Rondo could be a great fit with this roster but that depends on how much we have to give up to sign him. I thought we had a good chance to acquire him in free agency this coming summer... but we might be hoping he won't walk.

The major defensive upgrade might be worth it. It's definitely taking advantage of the time the Dirkster has left.
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BG you say he's not a fit for what we are doing...we're losing to the top teams is what we are doing...so in that regard you are correct, he's not a good fit.
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IMO any hit our offense/spacing takes with the loss of Wright and playing Rondo & Ellis together is more than offset by Rondo's defensive contributions.
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We need Wright.
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Just do it Marc.

Rondo is nearly averaging a Triple double. His only weakness is the shooting. With all that weapons on our Team he could focus on only getting Assists/Boards and Defense Contributions.

Feck me Rondo would have 20 Assists a Night in that team.

Wright+1st Rounder+Crowder/Aminu or Jefferson i would do it in a heartbeat.

Wright is good and we clearly need someone to replace him if hes dealt, but if you can get a Rondo its worth it.

I know hes a knucklehead but i trust Cuban and Carlisle to turn him around. Hes playing for a losing team for years now what do you expect?

I know Rondo needs a new deal this summer and we need to pay him a lot if he should stay but why not try to get the best out of Dirks last years?

Wright is a FA aswell and clearly wants a payraise in the summer. Theres no guarantee he stays here aswell.
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Not being able to shoot is a big thing. Especially with Ellis being a primary ballhandler. And Wright has been so important to our bench. We are giving up depth and chemistry with this trade. Now if we use Ellis off the bench in a Manu role, that might be a different story.

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Didn't they used to call Jason Kidd "ason" because he had no "J". That addition worked out pretty well.
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I don't like Ellis and Rondo together.
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Didn't they used to call Jason Kidd "ason" because he had no "J". That addition worked out pretty well.
Not until we put the right pieces around Kidd did we succeed. It took a couple seasons to make it work. We don't have that luxury of waiting a couple seasons to get the right pieces around Rondo. We need to win now.
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Not sure how this plays out since Monta is ball dominant as well. Hope they have a plan in place for Tyson backup. Seems to be happening fast if this trade goes through
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Rondo is a no brainer at this point. I'm not sure we are a true contender with him, but one thing is for sure, we have to try something, we are like 0-5 against Western playoff teams? Rondo would help out our defense a little bit, and also our rebounding, while our offense would most certainly stay elite with him as well, although the spacing would suffer a little bit. If Parsons and Dirk can hit their long range shots, it's probably not a huge issue.

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I don't like Ellis and Rondo together.
It is not ideal, but what are you going to do? We can't trade for Conley or Lowry, Rondo is available.
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Didn't they used to call Jason Kidd "ason" because he had no "J". That addition worked out pretty well.
In the end, sure, did not look like that for a long time, well, if your standard is a championship at least. Kidd was ok during the run, but it was mainly about Dirk, let's be honest.

JK was big for team defense though. Dirk is obviously not that player anymore, so we need more balance, with Ellis, Parsons (if he can play like that regularly) we have that offensive balance, now we need to something about our defense.

Rondo could be a step in the right direction, without an improvement in team defense it won't be that impactful, but you have to try something at this point, we are clearly not good enough defensively with this current roster.
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There is absolutely no reason to believe that Rondo will transform into a dead eye 3 point shooter the way Kidd did in the twilight of his career.

The risks with Rondo are well-documented. He hurts our spacing and might not mesh well with Ellis because he can't play off the ball. Still, if we're not giving up any of our top 4 guys, then I say do the deal. Our spacing is already pretty lousy as it is, so I don't see it getting much worse. More importantly, perimeter defense is easily our biggest weakness, and Rondo fixes that instantly. Not to mention his rebounding, which has always been amazing for a PG, and that's the Mavs' second biggest weakness.

I think we stand to gain considerably more than we stand to lose here. It might be a wash, or it might give us the extra push we need to advance in the West, which is tougher than ever. Dirk is nearing the end of his career. No sense in playing it safe. Now is the time to take bold chances.

Think about it this way: Are the Mavs likely to get a better opportunity than this? Are we likely to get another shot at player as good as Rondo before Dirk can no longer play at a high level? History says no.

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I really don't like it, especially if we have to give up Brandan Wright. The value's just way too slanted in Boston's favor. Wright has been playing amazing off the bench, you could easily argue he's the 4th best player on the team with how efficient he's been, and his defense has been improving very quickly as well.

Rondo, meanwhile has not been playing well at all lately, and he really needs to control the ball to have any value at all. I have a very hard time seeing how possessions where Rondo (inefficient, league average PG at this point) is the primary ballhandler are going to be anywhere near as efficient as possessions where Monta's the primary ballhandler when we're already the most efficient offense in the league with Monta. Here are some fun stats on Rondo:

-Career .252 3-point shooter. Hasn't shot over .300 since his 3rd year in the league. Shooting .250 this year.

-Has made 12/36 free throws this year. Yes one out of every three! For his career, he's shooting .614 which would put him dead last on the team for Dallas.

-Celtics have been better with him off the court this year (+0.2 points per 48 min) than they have with him on the court (-2.2 PP48). Last year, they were also better with him off the court (-3.2 PP48) than with him (-8.3 PP48). The year before? Still better without him (+0.7 PP48) than with him (-1.9 PP48)

-His defense is vastly overrated. He gets a lot of steals, but he gambles way too much to get them, and gives up a lot of easy buckets. Each of the last 2 years, he's had a PER against over 18.0 where 15 is league average.

Look I get it, the Mavs are very good right now, but not quite at the true championship contender level, and with PG being our weakest position, it's easy to think a small upgrade there could put us over the top. Bringing in an inefficent PG who can't shoot isn't going to put us over the top though. If anything, it will probably make us worse. The only time I could really see Rondo having real value for us is when Monta's on the bench, and if we're just using him for bench minutes, why not keep Brandan Wright who's much better in the same role? If anything, I'd rather we make a run at a player like Luol Deng, let him play defense and shoot open 3s, and then just make Monta the official PG.

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I really don't like it, especially if we have to give up Brandan Wright. The value's just way too slanted in Boston's favor. Wright has been playing amazing off the bench, you could easily argue he's the 4th best player on the team with how efficient he's been, and his defense has been improving very quickly as well.

Rondo, meanwhile has not been playing well at all lately, and he really needs to control the ball to have any value at all. I have a very hard time seeing how possessions where Rondo (inefficient, league average PG at this point) is the primary ballhandler are going to be anywhere near as efficient as possessions where Monta's the primary ballhandler when we're already the most efficient offense in the league with Monta. Here are some fun stats on Rondo:

-Career .252 3-point shooter. Hasn't shot over .300 since his 3rd year in the league. Shooting .250 this year.

-Has made 12/36 free throws this year. Yes one out of every three! For his career, he's shooting .614 which would put him dead last on the team for Dallas.

-Celtics have been better with him off the court this year (+0.2 points per 48 min) than they have with him on the court (-2.2 PP48). Last year, they were also better with him off the court (-3.2 PP48) than with him (-8.3 PP48). The year before? Still better without him (+0.7 PP48) than with him (-1.9 PP48)

-His defense is vastly overrated. He gets a lot of steals, but he gambles way too much to get them, and gives up a lot of easy buckets. Each of the last 2 years, he's had a PER against over 18.0 where 15 is league average.

Look I get it, the Mavs are very good right now, but not quite at the true championship contender level, and with PG being our weakest position, it's easy to think a small upgrade there could put us over the top. Bringing in an inefficent PG who can't shoot isn't going to put us over the top though. If anything, it will probably make us worse. The only time I could really see Rondo having real value for us is when Monta's on the bench, and if we're just using him for bench minutes, why not keep Brandan Wright who's much better in the same role? If anything, I'd rather we make a run at a player like Luol Deng, let him play defense and shoot open 3s, and then just make Monta the official PG.


Dont you think Rondos latest Numbers the last years had sth. to do with having a piss poor Team? He went full ego mode in a lot of games while not being able to shoot because his teammates sucked.

I go out on a limb and say he will be much more efficient when playing in Dallas.

Luol Deng will not come to Dallas. The Heat are not rebuilding so giving them Wright and a 1st + a Scrub wouldnt get the Deal done.

Same for Ariza and Houston (similar player).

Sometimes you have to take risks. Yes the Offense is good so far, but we lack a great perimeter Defender and Rebounder against Elite West Guards like Curry, Westbrook, Paul, Holiday etc.

We are 0-5 against Western Playoffsteams so i doubt we do any damage with this team in the Playoffs. We may have some fun games but thats it.


If we want to give Dirk a real chance at a ring we have to take some risk.
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I really don't like it, especially if we have to give up Brandan Wright. The value's just way too slanted in Boston's favor. Wright has been playing amazing off the bench, you could easily argue he's the 4th best player on the team with how efficient he's been, and his defense has been improving very quickly as well.

Rondo, meanwhile has not been playing well at all lately, and he really needs to control the ball to have any value at all. I have a very hard time seeing how possessions where Rondo (inefficient, league average PG at this point) is the primary ballhandler are going to be anywhere near as efficient as possessions where Monta's the primary ballhandler when we're already the most efficient offense in the league with Monta. Here are some fun stats on Rondo:

-Career .252 3-point shooter. Hasn't shot over .300 since his 3rd year in the league. Shooting .250 this year.

-Has made 12/36 free throws this year. Yes one out of every three! For his career, he's shooting .614 which would put him dead last on the team for Dallas.

-Celtics have been better with him off the court this year (+0.2 points per 48 min) than they have with him on the court (-2.2 PP48). Last year, they were also better with him off the court (-3.2 PP48) than with him (-8.3 PP48). The year before? Still better without him (+0.7 PP48) than with him (-1.9 PP48)

-His defense is vastly overrated. He gets a lot of steals, but he gambles way too much to get them, and gives up a lot of easy buckets. Each of the last 2 years, he's had a PER against over 18.0 where 15 is league average.

Look I get it, the Mavs are very good right now, but not quite at the true championship contender level, and with PG being our weakest position, it's easy to think a small upgrade there could put us over the top. Bringing in an inefficent PG who can't shoot isn't going to put us over the top though. If anything, it will probably make us worse. The only time I could really see Rondo having real value for us is when Monta's on the bench, and if we're just using him for bench minutes, why not keep Brandan Wright who's much better in the same role? If anything, I'd rather we make a run at a player like Luol Deng, let him play defense and shoot open 3s, and then just make Monta the official PG.
You have a some good points, but, dude, Rondo is not a "small" upgrade over Jameer friggin Nelson. He's a goddamn quantum leap over Jameer.

And HELL NO to Monta at point.
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in the win last night against Detroit...
Jameer Nelson 26min played - ZERO assists and ZERO points.

yeah give me some Rondo

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You have a some good points, but, dude, Rondo is not a "small" upgrade over Jameer friggin Nelson. He's a goddamn quantum leap over Jameer.

And HELL NO to Monta at point.
Is Rondo a lot more talented than Jameer in a vacuum? Sure. Is he significantly better on both ends of the floor for most teams? Sure. Is he going to be a major upgrade over Jameer coming into one of the most efficient offenses in history when a defender can just sag 5 feet off him and help out every single time he doesn't have the ball? Not so convinced on that one. I think a stiff that can shoot is gonna clog our offense up a lot less than an inefficient guy whose a gigantic liability if he doesn't have the ball. It's like asking if the Spurs would rather have Kobe than Cory Joseph. Pretty sure they wouldn't because he'd clog up their offense even if he's much, much more talented, and would be much, much more useful to many more teams.

In Rondo's case, it's not about selfishness as much as the fact that he's a huge liability playing off the ball, and with the ball in his hands running the show, he puts a ceiling on how good an offense can be. Rondo's value is in a team who needs a primary ballhandler and shot creation, and sees the shots he creates with mediocre efficiency as a plus and not a minus. Letting Rondo play PG for the Mavs is like having an ox pull a Ferrari. He's just getting in the way. Better off to have someone who can just sit in the car and let it hum.

So where's he making his impact? By being a below average defender? Seems like the only thing we really gain at all is rebounding. And as much as we need rebounding, and as nice as those PG rebounds would be, I don't see how you give up a player like Brandan Wright AND picks just to get a rebound and a half a game. There has to be better value out there somewhere. Someone like Gary Neal probably does the job as well for 1/10th the price.
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Dont you think Rondos latest Numbers the last years had sth. to do with having a piss poor Team? He went full ego mode in a lot of games while not being able to shoot because his teammates sucked.

I go out on a limb and say he will be much more efficient when playing in Dallas.

Luol Deng will not come to Dallas. The Heat are not rebuilding so giving them Wright and a 1st + a Scrub wouldnt get the Deal done.

Same for Ariza and Houston (similar player).

Sometimes you have to take risks. Yes the Offense is good so far, but we lack a great perimeter Defender and Rebounder against Elite West Guards like Curry, Westbrook, Paul, Holiday etc.

We are 0-5 against Western Playoffsteams so i doubt we do any damage with this team in the Playoffs. We may have some fun games but thats it.


If we want to give Dirk a real chance at a ring we have to take some risk.
Rondo's never really been efficient. His shooting percentages were a little better when they were running the offense through Pierce in Boston, but he's got a career TS% of .507. Of 195 active players with at least 10,000 minutes, that ranks 178th. I mean, the dude can't even shoot 65% from the FT line!

I'm all about taking risks during Dirk's title window as long as there's some payoff. If we could put a package together for a league average PG that fit our system at all, I'd say go ahead, don't worry about the future, try to win a ring. But it's just a terrible payoff here. Our offense is too good too risk ruining it with a PG that can't hit an open shot.
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It's also worth remembering that we're not that far off. Sagarin ranks us 5th in the league, SRS has us 4th. We're ahead of the Spurs and the Clippers in both. And we still haven't even had enough time of everyone playing together to reach our full potential yet. Look at how Cleveland's struggled fitting all their new pieces together. I agree that we probably need a little improvement at PG to win a title, but we want someone who will integrate smoothly into the system, not someone that's going to blow it up. We're one tiny piece away. Dropping a bomb like Rondo into the works would be a major mistake.
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Not sure if Rondo would help this team, he can't shoot at all and would ruin the spacing. And who's supposed to replace Wright's 20 minutes with 75% shooting? Greg Smith? Don't think Ellis and Rondo would work very well together either + he would probably leave next summer. I think such a deal would have too many disadvantages.

Not saying I dont want Rondo in Dallas at all, but I'm not fully convinced the currently rumored trade-idea would help us a lot (if at all). Even though he's off to a bad start Id rather take Stephenson right now and move Ellis to the PG position, he has the ball a lot anyway so it wouldnt be much change except for the position title.

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I'd much rather have Avery Bradley.

One question I have about this deal, is there any chance whatsoever that if we make this deal monta agrees to come off the bench and we start either Devin or jae at the 2?

The issue with rondo is that playing him and monta together is a lot like playing him and Jennings together and we saw how that worked
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After watching Brandon Wright get absolutely mauled by Gasol and Randolph when we played the Grizzlies, I'm ok with dealing him for Rondo. It's clear he's not good enough defensively to slow down the bigs from Memphis and San Antonio. Sure Wright is good offensively, but our offense isn't a problem. I don't think giving up our backup 5 will make our offensive less than championship caliber.

Rondo, on the other hand, is a significant upgrade everywhere except for shooting. And it's not like we were even getting that with Nelson lately. So what's the problem? There was way more concerns with Monta when we signed him and Carlisle turned his career around. Did everybody forget how much of an absolute demon Rondo was when he was surrounded by playmakers?

We aren't playing for 2nd place. We aren't building for the future. We are going all in for a championship. Adding Rondo is a no-brainer.
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I'd much rather have Avery Bradley.

One question I have about this deal, is there any chance whatsoever that if we make this deal monta agrees to come off the bench and we start either Devin or jae at the 2?

The issue with rondo is that playing him and monta together is a lot like playing him and Jennings together and we saw how that worked
Monta and Jennings didn't work because Jennings felt he needed to shoot 15-20 times a game. He had to get his. That's not Rondo at all. Rondo doesn't need to shoot, Rondo doesn't want to shoot. You won't have to worry about Rondo taking a contested 3 with a man open in the corner.

There's a big difference between a player who needs the ball a lot to facilitate and a player that needs the ball a lot to score. Rondo is a facilitator, through and through. He will ALWAYS make the extra pass and he will ALWAYS hit the open man. That's the complete opposite of Brandon Jennings.
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Does Rondo really hurting the spacing?

remember in 2011 we had with Marion also a player with zero range in the S5/closing unit (beside Chandler). Marion got his corner three just years later back, in 2011 he had 0.4 attempts and hit a lousy 15%. Thats pretty much Rondo level.

So with Ellis/Parsons/Dirk there is still enough spacing. Also Kidd and Terry was pretty much just catch&shoot guys, Ellis and Rondo are much more skilled scorer with range...
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If Tyson goes down with an injury, then this team is royally f***ed. I'm just not sure I'd do this without getting Zeller in return as well.
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Doesn't this apply in any scenario? We are going nowhere without Tyson.
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Yeah, you can say that about almost any team. If their defensive anchor and leader goes down, they are screwed.

But you can't pass on deals because one of your guys MIGHT get hurt. That's silly.

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Does Rondo really hurting the spacing?

remember in 2011 we had with Marion also a player with zero range in the S5/closing unit (beside Chandler). Marion got his corner three just years later back, in 2011 he had 0.4 attempts and hit a lousy 15%. Thats pretty much Rondo level.

So with Ellis/Parsons/Dirk there is still enough spacing. Also Kidd and Terry was pretty much just catch&shoot guys, Ellis and Rondo are much more skilled scorer with range...
The emergence of Parsons as a star has quelled any worries about three point shooting. The guy is nailing 49% of his threes for December. Maybe he'll come back down to earth, but he looks laser sharp lately. Plus, Harris is shooting well from there as well. Not like we're devoid of threes.

I'm not worried about Rondo and Ellis fitting together. I absolutely am worried about what happens if Tyson went down.
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Yep, we are toast without Tyson anyway, doesnt matter if its Wright or JO or anyone else being the backup
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Doesn't this apply in any scenario? We are going nowhere without Tyson.
True, but Greg Smith as your only choice is a far worse scenario. I think we'd at least have a hail mary shot with someone who knows how to play the position.
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Yeah right give me Avery Bradley over Rondo. What a brilliant idea.

Also Lance "Knucklehead" Stephenson who is shooting 38% (Rondo 40,5%) and a bumming 63% from the Line would be a better fit?

Wow man dont even know what to say.

Yeah Rondo shoots 33% from the Line this year. He is not even attempting 2 Freethrows a game so i dont know why this should be a huge No-Go.

The Time is now again for this team. Dirk wont play on a highlevel for many more years.

Wright is fine and all but not a good Defender or Rebounder and looks as bad against the elite West guys (Duncan, Griffin, Jordan, Lee, Randolph, Gasol etc.) as Nelson against the Elite PGs.

If Wright+1st Rounder+ Scrub can get the deal done its a no Brainer. But i dont think the C's would give up Rondo for so less.

The Mavs Pick will likely be in the 20-30 range.
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