Mavs (43-28) vs. TimberWolves (42-30) - 'playoffs' start tonight - Page 4 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Melonhead · 03-21-2022, 10:12 PM

Hahahahahahaha

EricaLubarsky · 03-21-2022, 10:13 PM

PBev wouldn’t have gotten that rebound if Luka just broke his ankle in the first half

Dallas41 · 03-21-2022, 10:13 PM

Honestly, I think all the turnovers by Dallas is a bigger issue than the ref's

If the Mavs cut those turnovers in half, they win this game already

Melonhead · 03-21-2022, 10:13 PM

We know refs aren’t over turning this

tap2390 · 03-21-2022, 10:14 PM

So Bev flys backwards and it's a foul on us?! Are these refs smoking crack?

Melonhead · 03-21-2022, 10:14 PM

Luka swipes but misses. Refs won’t see that somehow

Stylistic · 03-21-2022, 10:15 PM

That should be an offensive foul

Dallas41 · 03-21-2022, 10:15 PM

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Kleber, THJ, Bertans... we have almost $50m a year tied up in inconsistent one-way players

Kleber plays a little defense though

Those other two guys are terrible on both ends of the floor

Scoobay · 03-21-2022, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stylistic

That should be an offensive foul

it's a no call either way - bev missed it flat out
if he elbowed luka or something maybe call it offensive but he just jumped backwards and luka did nothing to foul him

Melonhead · 03-21-2022, 10:17 PM

Pour one out for the refs

EricaLubarsky · 03-21-2022, 10:18 PM

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Beverly should have been called for a technical foul

Multiple

NBA just wants to make PBev a thing

Scoobay · 03-21-2022, 10:19 PM

bwahahahaha - classic ending

Dallas41 · 03-21-2022, 10:19 PM

Kind curious as to why Boban doesn't go in for those box out situations at the end like that

Melonhead · 03-21-2022, 10:20 PM

It worked out for the Mavs but man what an ugly ending. Not a good look for basketball in general.

Aside from that, gutsy ugly Mavs pull this out of their ass. Luka was bad, but Reggie and DFS kept the ship afloat late

Scoobay · 03-21-2022, 10:21 PM

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Kind curious as to why Boban doesn't go in for those box out situations at the end like that

yeah kidd's done that in past but not tonight for whatever reason. i'd also put in Green as the person boxing out the shooter but i'm sure the worry is FT shooting. but he'd get you a rebound.

tap2390 · 03-21-2022, 10:21 PM

That was a grit it out playoff style game. I'm proud of the Mavs. Luka needs to be prepared for extra physical defenses.

Minnesota's late trap on Luka threw him off for sure. They were clogging the paint and waited until he started driving to trap. Good 3 point shooting can counter that, but it would require someone other than DFS and Bull to hit their shots.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-21-2022, 10:23 PM

Again, if Maxi keeps playing this badly, then you can forget a long postseason run. Yes, he is that important. Either you stop playing him or he is going to hurt us. He hasn't had a good game since the Boston game and still didn't score in that game.

Glad we won, but the confidence meter with this team is waning.

EricaLubarsky · 03-21-2022, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

It worked out for the Mavs but man what an ugly ending. Not a good look for basketball in general.

Aside from that, gutsy ugly Mavs pull this out of their ass. Luka was bad, but Reggie and DFS kept the ship afloat late

Refs made this mess

I’m not sure if it’s Silver trying something or if the refs are just terrible.

Either way, the basketball is unwatchable

Melonhead · 03-21-2022, 10:41 PM

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Refs made this mess

I’m not sure if it’s Silver trying something or if the refs are just terrible.

Either way, the basketball is unwatchable

I’m talking about the intentional fouls when up 3. Strategically the rules allow for this, but it’s so anti climatic and not fun as a basketball fan.

EricaLubarsky · 03-21-2022, 11:11 PM

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I’m talking about the intentional fouls when up 3. Strategically the rules allow for this, but it’s so anti climatic and not fun as a basketball fan.

Yeah that’s not Silver’s fault. It’s the Mavs. Strong strategic choice that Rick refused to consider but damn if it’s not ugly

EricaLubarsky · 03-21-2022, 11:16 PM

Ref was too far away to make a good call

Dallas41 · 03-22-2022, 12:36 AM

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Again, if Maxi keeps playing this badly, then you can forget a long postseason run. Yes, he is that important. Either you stop playing him or he is going to hurt us. He hasn't had a good game since the Boston game and still didn't score in that game.

Glad we won, but the confidence meter with this team is waning.

I think if he get you about 8 rebounds and 2-3 key blocks a night then it would off set his poor offense.

But if I think most of us realize this team highest ceiling is probably 2nd round at best which is a success IMO considering they've bounced out the 1st round every single post season since 2011.

Budapest Maverick · 03-22-2022, 02:59 AM

What an ugly game, but thankfully we won it. We really, really needed that.

EricaLubarsky · 03-22-2022, 11:47 AM

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What an ugly game, but thankfully we won it. We really, really needed that.

We're definitely in a funk, but always good to win even when your major contributors are slumping.

+we won despite bad play.
+ SD was underrated. 20-8-3 on 60% shooting. We don't win without him.
+Bullock was on fire. 6-11 on threes. We don't win without him
+DFS was solid on the boards and was super clutch. Good defense
+Brunson was quiet, but killer with efficiency. 60% from the field.
+Powell was good, thank god with Kleber struggling. Good D and hustle. Timely scoring. 22-8-2-2
+Luka may have sucked, but he was clutch with a made bucket and an assist to DFS to seal it.

-Luka was bad. He's in a hard slump. If he doesn't get better soon, we won't win a lot of games like this. Shooting in the 20s from both the field and three. 8TOs.
-Kleber HAS to be able to hit threes when open. He was good defensively, but 1-9 and 0-6 from three won't cut it.
-Green looked totally lost

SMC0007 · 03-22-2022, 11:58 AM

MF Refs man. I swear to gawd! They missed a minimum of 10 calls. Several hand and body checks from Bev on Luka, Several reaching contact fouls, hack on Lukas arm and KAT grabbing the ball while standing out of bounds 10 inches from the refs fn face... WHILE HE IS LOOKING DIRECTLY AT KATS FOOT. That was 2 blown calls within 3 seconds. Then the late game missed hooking call on Kat to get past Maxi and dunk. Hell we had to use a challenge to not give Bev a near and 1 to tie the damn game. Thankfully we had a challenge because we could have used it numerous times.

These calls were so bad they eventually looked intentional and I hate blaming refs and don't often post based around them. They mostly suck and if the league can't find a way to make them better OR hold them accountable, they need to implement more challenges. 2 maybe even 3 challenges BUT if you get the challenge correct, you get it back similar to NFL. If they can't get calls right, let the coaches properly defend the integrity of play themselves. IDC if it prolongs the damn game as long as they are getting the correct call.

Gritty determined performance by our boys in blue.

Scoobay · 03-22-2022, 12:44 PM

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MF Refs man. I swear to gawd! They missed a minimum of 10 calls. Several hand and body checks from Bev on Luka, Several reaching contact fouls, hack on Lukas arm and KAT grabbing the ball while standing out of bounds 10 inches from the refs fn face... WHILE HE IS LOOKING DIRECTLY AT KATS FOOT. That was 2 blown calls within 3 seconds. Then the late game missed hooking call on Kat to get past Maxi and dunk. Hell we had to use a challenge to not give Bev a near and 1 to tie the damn game. Thankfully we had a challenge because we could have used it numerous times.

These calls were so bad they eventually looked intentional and I hate blaming refs and don't often post based around them. They mostly suck and if the league can't find a way to make them better OR hold them accountable, they need to implement more challenges. 2 maybe even 3 challenges BUT if you get the challenge correct, you get it back similar to NFL. If they can't get calls right, let the coaches properly defend the integrity of play themselves. IDC if it prolongs the damn game as long as they are getting the correct call.

Gritty determined performance by our boys in blue.

i like the idea of keeping your challenge if you get the call correct.

Also after the end of game i didn't realize what happened. Luka had the game ball and Bev slapped it out and then wanted to shake? lol. game's over man go home. I think Luka did well to walk away and obviously game's over but otherwise that's just stupid
buh bye

when they play again, yes please put Luka in the post with whoever they want against him.

EricaLubarsky · 03-22-2022, 01:21 PM

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i like the idea of keeping your challenge if you get the call correct.

Also after the end of game i didn't realize what happened. Luka had the game ball and Bev slapped it out and then wanted to shake? lol. game's over man go home. I think Luka did well to walk away and obviously game's over but otherwise that's just stupid
buh bye

when they play again, yes please put Luka in the post with whoever they want against him.

I despise Beverly, but I hate the refs more for allowing it. They let Beverly slap Luka multiple times, despite the rules forbidding taunting and "unnatural physical act towards an opponent"

If Luka responded with taunts or contact, he'd immediately be teched up because of his history/reputation.

The league is broken but Luka did what he could by not getting techs and mostly ignoring it. If he had gotten a tech or flagrant in a game this close, it easily could have cost us this game, but also one or more of our next 10 games if he got a suspension. Luka was put in a no-win situation and at least chose the option where he at least didn't cause the loss.

SMC0007 · 03-22-2022, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobay

i like the idea of keeping your challenge if you get the call correct.

Also after the end of game i didn't realize what happened. Luka had the game ball and Bev slapped it out and then wanted to shake? lol. game's over man go home. I think Luka did well to walk away and obviously game's over but otherwise that's just stupid
buh bye

when they play again, yes please put Luka in the post with whoever they want against him.

Yea. Bev lost the pest control battle with Luka as well as the game.

If you watch the ending closely Bev knocks thr ball out of Lukas hands and Luka reacts minimally and Idk who initiatedthe half hand shake but look behind them. The fn ref is HAWKING Luka hard! Never took his eyes off him until the clip ends or the camera moves.

Outstanding job by Luka to not get a tech at anytime during the game and keeping his cool. Also for not going hero mode and trying to do it all.

Dorian missed 4 or 5 open threes in a row, then cans a HUGE one. Then shortly after Bullock cans one. Both those buckets were clutch af.

MFFL · 03-22-2022, 06:48 PM

Wolves upset with the officials too

https://www.startribune.com/timberwo...nch/600158316/

tap2390 · 03-22-2022, 06:51 PM

Last two minute report shows two instances where refs missed a call in the Mavs favor (KAT hook on Kleber and Bev fake free throw). Not surprising a team with KAT and PatBev is crying, but Mavs were objectively wronged according to the league.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-22-2022, 06:52 PM

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Wolves upset with the officials too

https://www.startribune.com/timberwo...nch/600158316/

LMAO they were so much worse for us but OK. I mean, the refs are bad in general, fine, but there is a reason Luka complains game after game. They literally don't follow their own rules and blow whistles when they feel like it.

People like CONSISTENCY.

MFFL · 03-22-2022, 06:54 PM

And that play where the Wolves player was out of bounds was absolutely horrible

EricaLubarsky · 03-22-2022, 07:09 PM

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And that play where the Wolves player was out of bounds was absolutely horrible

It was absolutely egregious.

The ref wasn't too far away (although with a three ref team, it's their job to have at least one person close to any call)

The ref did not have a line-of-sight issue

Was it embarrassing that Luka lost the dribble? Absolutely, but missing that call was all about what they thought they were going to see vs. what actually happened. The NBA is supposed to be the best league in the world, so shouldn't the refs be the best? It's embarrassing how bad they are, particularly in comparison to Euroleague and the Olympics.

EricaLubarsky · 03-23-2022, 12:17 AM

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/f...-of-nba-games/

Not just people in Dallas

EricaLubarsky · 03-23-2022, 12:37 AM

Luka was playing on a sore ankle all night apparently

Luka going to rest it tomorrow vs Houston

tap2390 · 03-23-2022, 09:51 AM

I don't want to rehash the Luka weight debate, but if he took this past off-season seriously the way a young Lebron did he would be the MVP this year. He's so talented that the old adage "hard work beats talent..." doesn't seem to apply to him. That being said he's only scratching the surface of what he could be physically.

BPo001 · 03-23-2022, 10:14 AM

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I don't want to rehash the Luka weight debate, but if he took this past off-season seriously the way a young Lebron did he would be the MVP this year. He's so talented that the old adage "hard work beats talent..." doesn't seem to apply to him. That being said he's only scratching the surface of what he could be physically.

It seems like all the media scrutiny this season stuck with him. Hopefully the light may have turned on that he needs to take care of his body. I guess we will see how it goes this offseason leading into next season.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-23-2022, 10:16 AM

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I don't want to rehash the Luka weight debate, but if he took this past off-season seriously the way a young Lebron did he would be the MVP this year. He's so talented that the old adage "hard work beats talent..." doesn't seem to apply to him. That being said he's only scratching the surface of what he could be physically.

True, but at least he seems to have finally figured that out this season. Better late than never. The history of the NBA is littered with insanely talented dudes who coasted on their natural abilities and didn't take conditioning seriously enough. Some guys figure it out later in their careers, and some others never figure it out. Shaq would probably have been a top 5 all time player if he ever bothered to stay in shape during the offseason, but he never did.

saclare · 03-23-2022, 02:41 PM

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True, but at least he seems to have finally figured that out this season. Better late than never. The history of the NBA is littered with insanely talented dudes who coasted on their natural abilities and didn't take conditioning seriously enough. Some guys figure it out later in their careers, and some others never figure it out. Shaq would probably have been a top 5 all time player if he ever bothered to stay in shape during the offseason, but he never did.

Shit, the history of anything, more so for sports at any level. I can admit I was a prime example of getting by from natural abilities that I flamed out (baseball - injury didn't help). Fact is still relevant that hard work is part of the equation of success. I certainly didn't give what I could to the weight room, practice facilities, diet, etc...the same applies to a professional. It's a huge part of the job and of course even harder in the offseason. But I do think Luka understands now and we will see if he has the drive to be one of the greats of all time. He certainly has the opportunity, but longevity plays a big part in those names and careers remembered most.

FreshJive · 03-23-2022, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

I don't want to rehash the Luka weight debate, but if he took this past off-season seriously the way a young Lebron did he would be the MVP this year. He's so talented that the old adage "hard work beats talent..." doesn't seem to apply to him. That being said he's only scratching the surface of what he could be physically.

He did take Slovenia to the bronze medal game during the offseason. Probably just partied a little too hard after signing that extension.