PGT: Mavs Crap the Bed, Again

[j0Shi]

I think it shows in the +/- stats. Dirk has been a monster in that cat for years, but Dallas plays worse when he steps on the court this season.

2007-2008: +12.7 per 48 minutes
2008-2009: +5.8
2009-2010: +10.6
2010-2011: +16.7
2011-2012: +13.1
2012-2013: -4.8

(via 82games.com)

[markus1234]

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400278388

+16

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by markus1234

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400278388

+16

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278359

-14

We can do that all night, I will win.

[Bayliss]

Jthig, that has been Mayo's MO all year so yeah I believe I have the right to criticize Mayo in the last few minutes. And it is absurd to do so. He has to be better in the clutch if the Mavs want to win games.

And too many times he commits stupid turnovers late in games.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

First year dirk isn't an Allstar
First year mavs dont make the playoffs fit the first time since dirk arrived

And we don't even have rebuilding plans or picks.

Uh this is the rebuilding plan. One year contracts and keep the powder. Evaluate the castoffs we picked up.

[Bayliss]

And the Mavs do have their pick.....

[oilfieldtrash]

I didn't even flinch when LA made the shot. I'm kinda numb to the mavs stinking it up this year. In years past I might have thrown the remote through the tv screen.

Dirk finally looked like himself last night. He definitely has some spring in his step. Unfortunately I think its too late as Lakers are much more talented and they are putting it together finally.

At this point I don't want Mayo on any future mavs team unless he's willing to play for 6 million a year. If he's looking for 8-10 I'd let him walk in a heartbeat.

I'm thinking Collison has a place on next years team as a backup.

JJ Hickson free agent next year. Mark Cuban get this done. This is a no brainer. This is the defensive/rebounding center that would fit with Dirk perfectly.

Last but not least Bernard James played decently. I can recall him making players somewhat uncomfortable with his D and he made some nice cuts to the basket with the finish. On top of that he was in position to make a dunk or two but just couldn't finish. I give him credit for being in the right position which Kaman or Brand would have been 20 ft away from the basket while playing center.

[dirt_dobber]

Mavs were flagged with a technical for six players on the floor late in the first half.

Portland had 38 points in the third quarter, a season high.

sigh....

but:
Mavs shot a higher FG% - 50% to Portland's 45.3%
Mavs 3 pointers - 53.3% to Portland's 35.7%
Mavs shot from the line FT80% to Portland's 78.3%
Mavs had 31 team assists to Portland's 24

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

And the Mavs do have their pick.....

picks is plural.

We have one that is owed but protected .

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by jthig32

But the reality is that Dirk is making Chris Kaman look like vintage Ben Wallace right now. He can't guard anyone and he's not boarding.

Yea, there were several moments when it just looked like Dirk was in slow motion or just making the wrong decisions like he misread something... there was one play where a Trailblazer faked a 3 from way behind the arc and Dirk went flying out to contest it. Maybe that guy is the next coming of young Peja, but Dirk biting on the pump fake led to a huge defensive breakdown when the guy drove into the paint.

[Murphy3]

Just a couple of weeks until pitchers and catchers report.

[Dirk's Knee]

While Mayo does deserve criticism for crutch time performance, let's look at why it was even a close game to start with from a team perspective...

After playing some decent defense in the first half, Mavs came out in the 3rd lazy defensively. A few second chance shots on Dirk and he didn't even raise his hands (though this shouldn't be much of a surprise). Offensively, we pushed our offense through Dirk who went 1 for 5.

4th quarter, Mavs took the floor with the heads hanging. Mayo didn't take a single shot, Collison only 2. 6 man on the court technical plus a horrible substitution bringing in Crowder in an absolute crunch time scenario.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Just a couple of weeks until pitchers and catchers report.

Even the Rangers are getting a little depressing...

[Budapest Maverick]

We were up by 19 at one point, and just failed to execute in crunch time. We're not a terrible team by any means, but we are in too big of a hole at this point to make the playoffs, and we're gonna probably play ourselves out from that 6-10 lottery position by april. Not the happiest about that, even though it's not gonna be a too deep draft. Of course the ping-pong balls could still go our way.

[jacktruth]

This was a good game. Am I the only one that silently cheers for Aldridge. I hope he has a championship someday, one of my favorite players in the NBA.

However, not when he plays the mavs.

They basically punked the mavs defensively in the 3rd quarter, filled the only 3 passing lanes that we can comprehend with our braindead backcourt.

Why does Collison stop attacking the basket in the second half? There were quite a few open lanes that he stared at.
Why does nobody fill the lane when Dirk is standing at the arc looking to pass?

Aside from that, Portland read the scouting report on Dallas: attack the passing lanes and attack the paint. They have no center and their backcourt will turnover the ball.

Nice win for Portland. One step closer to the lottery for the mavs.

[markus1234]

Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

While Mayo does deserve criticism for crutch time performance, let's look at why it was even a close game to start with from a team perspective...

After playing some decent defense in the first half, Mavs came out in the 3rd lazy defensively. A few second chance shots on Dirk and he didn't even raise his hands (though this shouldn't be much of a surprise). Offensively, we pushed our offense through Dirk who went 1 for 5.

4th quarter, Mavs took the floor with the heads hanging. Mayo didn't take a single shot, Collison only 2. 6 man on the court technical plus a horrible substitution bringing in Crowder in an absolute crunch time scenario.

Dirk



Mayo



see the difference ?

[dirt_dobber]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Just a couple of weeks until pitchers and catchers report.

how's your arm?

[SeattleMavsFan]

one of the more entertaining games I've been to. It's pretty sad when the Mavs have a 20 point lead going into the half and I was nervous they'd lose it. My first time at The Rose Garden. That place is flippen LOUD. I can understand why it's a tough place to play, holy crap.

what made matters worse is that my car broke down on the freeway and it took AAA 3 hours to tow us while we sat at the bad part of Tacoma, WA. The only thing that saved it is meeting Dirk real quick and getting his autograph on my sons Dirk jersey.

[Dirk's Knee]

Originally Posted by markus1234

Dirk



Mayo



see the difference ?

I don't have the game taped to screen grab, but I was speaking in terms of shots on the basket, not guarding the inbounds pass. Mayo was hustling big time in the 1st half and shut down at least 2 plays that I can immediately recall. Defensively due to Dirk's speed, I can fully understand why we wouldn't want him trying to chase down someone at the 3 point line, but Nowitski has got to get his hands up and feet off the ground when he's guarding the low post. Not excusing May's poor 4th quarter play, but to lay the lose on him excuses many mistakes by the team in the second half. A 17/7/9 game isn't what looses you games in the NBA.

[markus1234]

17/7/9 means nothing. If Mayo does not score 17points and grab 7 rebounds, player XYZ will do it instead. NBA games are usually close till the last 2-3min, no matter who plays. Teams always find a way to score. What counts are the last couple of min. And so far OJ is below average.

Or just let me quote Dirk:

"We cannot let Aldridge get set on the block 10 feet from the basket and let him turn around and shoot a wide-open shot," Nowitzki said. "We make those mistakes, especially on the road, and you are going to get bit."

"The difference between a good team and a bad team* sometimes is just a couple possessions down the stretch, and we haven't really found a way to win those games consistently," Nowitzki said. "Usually in this league you win some and you lose some, but for some reason more times than not we're losing those games. It's extra tough."

*and player

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by markus1234

17/7/9 means nothing. If Mayo does not score 17points and grab 7 rebounds, player XYZ will do it instead. NBA games are usually close till the last 2-3min, no matter who plays. Teams always find a way to score. What counts are the last couple of min. And so far OJ is below average.

Or just let me quote Dirk:




*and player

This post is borderline ignore-worthy.

[markus1234]

ignore-worthy ?

If a 17ppg scorer goes down (Mayo, Duncan, Dirk... whatever), it does NOT mean that the team scores 17points less. Other players step up and fill the void. Where you really feel the difference is crunch time.

And so far Mayo makes us worse in that regard. He is a solid 6th man but not a go to guy. 4th quarter is what seperates "stars" from "players" and not just a nice stat line... The same goes for Kaman btw. He is pretty much like Mayo.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by markus1234

ignore-worthy ?

If a 17ppg scorer goes down (Mayo, Duncan, Dirk... whatever), it does NOT mean that the team scores 17points less. Other players step up and fill the void. Where you really feel the difference is crunch time.

And so far Mayo makes us worse in that regard. He is a solid 6th man but not a go to guy. 4th quarter is what seperates "stars" from "players" and not just a nice stat line... The same goes for Kaman btw. He is pretty much like Mayo.

You're confusing two different ideas here with your argument.

A lot of people like to state that "only the last 5 minutes of an NBA game matter". That's a bunch of horse crap.

What is legitimate is this: It's harder to execute in crunch time. The best players are on the court, the focus of all players is ratcheted up, and the game is generally reffed differently.

So it's fair to say that Mayo won't truly establish himself as a go-to player until he can consistently execute in crunch time. It's NOT fair to say that Mayo's excellent floor game is irrelevant because he didn't play well in crunch time.

And it's not at all accurate to say "if he doesn't produce that line, someone else will". Yes, obviously if Mayo doesn't score a point, other players pickup some of that weight and the Mavs don't just lose 17 points. But the odds of that slack being picked up completely, and at the same level of efficiency, are very low.

[Dirk's Knee]

Originally Posted by markus1234

17/7/9 means nothing. If Mayo does not score 17points and grab 7 rebounds, player XYZ will do it instead. NBA games are usually close till the last 2-3min, no matter who plays. Teams always find a way to score. What counts are the last couple of min. And so far OJ is below average.

Or just let me quote Dirk:




*and player

CBS Sports gives him a 71.88 rating which is good enough to grab #4 on their list of shooting guards in the NBA (17.8 PPG on 46%, 4.3 APG). Is that rating slightly skewed due to him starting so hot this year? Of course, but his numbers are not imaginary. You'd have to pay significant money to get even a marginal improvement at the SG position.

[purplefrog]

It's not that Collison and/or Mayo are bad players, its just that they can't seem to play together during crunch time without screwing up. I really think the problem is that their endgame deficiencies work in synergy to create a huge obstacle in winning close games. If the Mavs could somehow obtain Calderon (or another veteran PG with excellent floor general skills - i.e. Andre Miller comes to mind), they would go a long way towards solving this puzzle. Then Carlisle could play Calderon with Mayo OR Collison with Carter to finish off games.

[Murphy3]

You ever get the feeling that you went to bed just a bit too early? I was shocked when I found out the Mavs had lost last night.

[Bayliss]

I started the phz game and won. Started the portland game and lost. Time for someone else to start it.

The mavs dont have a single player on the team besides Dirk who doesnt get nervous in crunchtime.

That is the biggest difference this year and two years ago. Kidd and Terry were nuch more poised in winning time. And Marion and Chandler fed off of that. Now the Mavs have Dirk. That is it.

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

I started the phz game and won. Started the portland game and lost. Time for someone else to start it.

The mavs dont have a single player on the team besides Dirk who doesnt get nervous in crunchtime.

That is the biggest difference this year and two years ago. Kidd and Terry were nuch more poised in winning time. And Marion and Chandler fed off of that. Now the Mavs have Dirk. That is it.

Vince?

[markus1234]

I mean, just look at this

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...59343476_n.jpg

Dirk and....

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

I started the phz game and won. Started the portland game and lost. Time for someone else to start it.

The mavs dont have a single player on the team besides Dirk who doesnt get nervous in crunchtime.

That is the biggest difference this year and two years ago. Kidd and Terry were nuch more poised in winning time. And Marion and Chandler fed off of that. Now the Mavs have Dirk. That is it.

I'll do it

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

how's your arm?

Miserable. Gotta set a date for surgery.

[j0Shi]

On Mayo:

Shoots 45.19% in the 4th outside garbage time for a 14.33 PER, turns the ball over at a 15.54% rate (less than Kaman, Marion, Collison)

Clutch: 48.15% (42.86% on 3s) for a 17.97 PER, 13.44% TOV-rate.

These are not elite numbers, but also not 'below average'.

[JeffViggiano]

I think he should not have the ball in hands in the last minute but only limited to shoot...

[DGM]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

On Mayo:

Shoots 45.19% in the 4th outside garbage time for a 14.33 PER, turns the ball over at a 15.54% rate (less than Kaman, Marion, Collison)

Clutch: 48.15% (42.86% on 3s) for a 17.97 PER, 13.44% TOV-rate.

These are not elite numbers, but also not 'below average'.

Jimmy Johnson would call OJ a coach killer.

[Bayliss]

Jeff, therein lies the problem. He can't be trusted to just shoot. Last night perfect example:

Dirk feed in the corner. Mayo had a wide open shot from mid range or a little beyond. He turns it down.... decides to drive. Instead of shooting a layup he tries to throw it through 3 defenders back to Dirk. Turnover.

And a play or two like that happens in just about every close game from Mayo.

[j0Shi]

NBA just tweeted that the charge with 1.5 secs left should have been called a blocking foul.

[Bayliss]

And does that change the outcome of the game? If not, then why would the NBA even say something? Sorry we f*cked up. But hey that L is still an L.

If they really want to make it up. Give the Mavs a rigged lottery.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Jeff, therein lies the problem. He can't be trusted to just shoot. Last night perfect example:

Dirk feed in the corner. Mayo had a wide open shot from mid range or a little beyond. He turns it down.... decides to drive. Instead of shooting a layup he tries to throw it through 3 defenders back to Dirk. Turnover.

And a play or two like that happens in just about every close game from Mayo.

you are right.i know...but i hope he improves his choices with dirk and Rick.it's the first year with the mavs.

I also think that with a good PG will further improve ...

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

And does that change the outcome of the game? If not, then why would the NBA even say something? Sorry we f*cked up. But hey that L is still an L.

If they really want to make it up. Give the Mavs a rigged lottery.

In my eyes @NBAOfficial is a crappy propaganda machine. They 'review' every 1000th missed call and pretend they care. But they don't.

[Rick41]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

And does that change the outcome of the game? If not, then why would the NBA even say something? Sorry we f*cked up. But hey that L is still an L.

If they really want to make it up. Give the Mavs a rigged lottery.

This is the kind of shit that the NBA does that drives me crazy.