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grndmstr_c · 02-01-2013, 01:37 AM

Tough loss. I really feel bad for the guys. In spite of the fact that they were down throughout, with the exception of Klay Thompson going nuts for the first 3 quarters I really thought the Mavs outplayed the Warriors most of the night. Just came up a little bit short.

DirkFTW · 02-01-2013, 01:47 AM

I am in danger of becoming one of those fans that clings bitterly to past championships because the current iteration of the team is heartbreaking.

grndmstr_c · 02-01-2013, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

I am in danger of becoming one of those fans that clings bitterly to past championships because the current iteration of the team is heartbreaking.

If there's one thing I took from the years that preceded the championship, it's that if you're not looking forward, you might as well have your eyes closed.

Melonhead · 02-01-2013, 02:16 AM

I'm exhausted over coming up with reasons/excuses for the shortcummings of this team.

Bottom line, good teams can close out the tight games. Bad teams can't. Regardless of the ups and downs throughout a game, the mavs are still a bad team. Really starting to look like no playoffs.

Most of all I feel bad for the team, and I hate Cuban right now.

MrScottMcKenzie · 02-01-2013, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

I'm exhausted over coming up with reasons/excuses for the shortcummings of this team.

Bottom line, good teams can close out the tight games. Bad teams can't. Regardless of the ups and downs throughout a game, the mavs are still a bad team. Really starting to look like no playoffs.

Most of all I feel bad for the team, and I hate Cuban right now.

Good team just seem to get the end of game calls to go their way.

twelli · 02-01-2013, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

I am in danger of becoming one of those fans that clings bitterly to past championships because the current iteration of the team is heartbreaking.

No one can take away the title Dallas won square and fair against the best teams in the league. I can feed on that win for the next decade or so. In the meantime, F'm all!

oilfieldtrash · 02-01-2013, 07:43 AM

Wonder how long Cuban and Co plan on keeping with the dog and pony show of we're not rebuilding? Any future wins at this point just hurt the team as well as holding on to any assets such as Marion, Kaman, Carter.

oilfieldtrash · 02-01-2013, 07:46 AM

I will say regardless that Rick is one of the best coaches in the league. To take what is one of the least talented teams in the NBA and make them competitive against any team on a nightly basis has been impressive.

markus1234 · 02-01-2013, 08:56 AM

Nothing "tough" about this loss or this season.

Cuban and Donnie wanted it so.

jacktruth · 02-01-2013, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

I am in danger of becoming one of those fans that clings bitterly to past championships because the current iteration of the team is heartbreaking.

It may be better to forget the championship and compare this team to the mavs that won 6 games in the 90s. You might feel better.

SMC0007 · 02-01-2013, 10:12 AM

Terrible, Terrible, terrible officiating. We didn't have a chance. The no call on wright to finish it was a joke. Frustrating.

DirkFTW · 02-01-2013, 10:43 AM

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It may be better to forget the championship and compare this team to the mavs that won 6 games in the 90s. You might feel better.

Dude. That actually worked a little.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-01-2013, 10:49 AM

I feel like the season officially ended in that Portland game anyway. Good for the guys to give a great effort. Shawn Marion better not be traded unless it is a serious upgrade.

I'm surprised it was even that close...especially when Brand and Collison gave squat on offense. I just don't know about Collison...

nowhereman · 02-01-2013, 12:09 PM

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I feel like the season officially ended in that Portland game anyway.

I hate to say it, but I agree.

Edit: minus the use of the term 'officially' of course.

iella · 02-01-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

I am in danger of becoming one of those fans that clings bitterly to past championships because the current iteration of the team is heartbreaking.

It's one thing to bitterly long for the past championship, but you only become a douchebag troll when you start saying, "Yeah? Well we won in 2011, thus we will eternally, without further qualification, be better than the sucky team that YOU are rooting for."

j0Shi · 02-01-2013, 12:46 PM

It's hard to think about it, but more losses at this point might just prevent the FO to do something stupid until 21st.

One upside of Dirk and Kamans absence is that we see a tad more of James and Wright. Sarge and Roddy quietly had great games and were only topped by Mayo and Marion. Wright trashed a great performance in the 4th, but I especially like the high P&R with him.

As others noted, the late game collapses will disappear eventually, but it'll be too late.

mac222b · 02-01-2013, 12:50 PM

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It's hard to think about it, but more losses at this point might just prevent the FO to do something stupid until 21st.

One upside of Dirk and Kamans absence is that we see a tad more of James and Wright. Sarge and Roddy quietly had great games and were only topped by Mayo and Marion. Wright trashed a great performance in the 4th, but I especially like the high P&R with him.

As others noted, the late game collapses will disappear eventually, but it'll be too late.

Agree. Roddy and Sarge both looked great. Great energy. Wright too was good till the end. Time to work the young guys in some. Crowder just looks lost...

mac222b · 02-01-2013, 12:55 PM

Anyone else notice the confusion on the last play after a long NBA timeout? Seems somewhat emblematic of the way things are these days. Mike James(who hadnt played)inbounding over a 7ftr., Crowder checking in late, Wright in as a screen setter, just avoiding a 5 second count...

SMC0007 · 02-01-2013, 01:03 PM

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Agree. Roddy and Sarge both looked great. Great energy. Wright too was good till the end. Time to work the young guys in some. Crowder just looks lost...

In the end where he got hacked on both arms by Bogut?

mac222b · 02-01-2013, 01:11 PM

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In the end where he got hacked on both arms by Bogut?

I actually thought it was a clean block

he had a big unforced turnover a couple minutes before that

He15man · 02-01-2013, 01:12 PM

I wish the Mavs would just tank the season so we can get a high draft pick

Instead we'll barely miss the playoffs and end up with a crappy draft pick.

mac222b · 02-01-2013, 01:14 PM

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I wish the Mavs would just tank the season so we can get a high draft pick

Instead we'll barely miss the playoffs and end up with a crappy draft pick.

At this point even if they full-on tanked they would need teams like SAC, Toronto, Minn., Det to win and leapfrog them. Even in that event they're looking at 8 or 9 as best(worst)case scenario. Maybe Detroit wtih Calderon puts together a little win streak? Toronto? Most likely they wind up around 12th no matter what

DirkFTW · 02-01-2013, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by iella

It's one thing to bitterly long for the past championship, but you only become a douchebag troll when you start saying, "Yeah? Well we won in 2011, thus we will eternally, without further qualification, be better than the sucky team that YOU are rooting for."

Haha, yes I fear one day seeing a Rockets-type fan in the mirror.

j0Shi · 02-01-2013, 01:52 PM

Let's be honest here. That Mayo charge the other night was horrible, but Bogut at max as 50:50 as it gets.

Nonetheless the last two games show once again that criticizing officiating is more than just weak stuff and making excuses.

SMC0007 · 02-01-2013, 03:04 PM

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I actually thought it was a clean block

he had a big unforced turnover a couple minutes before that

I didn't like the silly hook type shot he took over the smaller guy on the mismatch a few possessions earlier.

But, there is pretty clear contact on the elbow. And that type fould gets called often.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8904288

grndmstr_c · 02-01-2013, 03:26 PM

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I didn't like the silly hook type shot he took over the smaller guy on the mismatch a few possessions earlier.

But, there is pretty clear contact on the elbow. And that type fould gets called often.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8904288

Said it in the other thread, but I've changed my mind after getting a better look at the replay and now agree that was a foul. Maybe it's one that doesn't get called a lot (in Brandan Wright's favor, anyway) in the closing seconds of a game, but man, two games in a row...

BGMaverick9 · 02-01-2013, 04:40 PM

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Said it in the other thread, but I've changed my mind after getting a better look at the replay and now agree that was a foul. Maybe it's one that doesn't get called a lot (in Brandan Wright's favor, anyway) in the closing seconds of a game, but man, two games in a row...

I still say it's a 50/50 call, at best. You can get a better look with replays and can change your mind that way. The refs won't have that benefit. I still think Wright needs to be more assertive with the move and go a little more into Bogut, but that's clearly not his game.

The gripe over Portland is much more relevant compared to this one. Portland was a game they should have had and were there multiple times in the fourth quarter and obviously held a lead for a good chunk of the game. They needed run after run after the early portion of the game just to be able to sniff the lead against Golden State.

SMC0007 · 02-01-2013, 05:04 PM

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I still say it's a 50/50 call, at best. You can get a better look with replays and can change your mind that way. The refs won't have that benefit. I still think Wright needs to be more assertive with the move and go a little more into Bogut, but that's clearly not his game.

The gripe over Portland is much more relevant compared to this one. Portland was a game they should have had and were there multiple times in the fourth quarter and obviously held a lead for a good chunk of the game. They needed run after run after the early portion of the game just to be able to sniff the lead against Golden State.

It may be a 50/50 call because a)we're talking about Wright and b)because it's in G.S., but the reason it was much more clear on the replays is because there are close ups and better views than what we got at home on TV. The refs have the benefit of being on the floor and one was pretty damn close to the play. He screwed up and swallowed his whistle. Oh, well. HAppens.

grndmstr_c · 02-01-2013, 05:07 PM

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I still say it's a 50/50 call, at best. You can get a better look with replays and can change your mind that way. The refs won't have that benefit. I still think Wright needs to be more assertive with the move and go a little more into Bogut, but that's clearly not his game.

The gripe over Portland is much more relevant compared to this one. Portland was a game they should have had and were there multiple times in the fourth quarter and obviously held a lead for a good chunk of the game. They needed run after run after the early portion of the game just to be able to sniff the lead against Golden State.

It may be 50/50 that you get the call - and that will vary quite a bit according to who the offensive player, and to a less extent who the defensive player is, I expect - but there's nothing 50/50 about the question of whether or not a foul was committed. Brandan was fouled. Whether or not Dallas led most of the game like they did against the Blazers, or had to fight and claw their way back into it like they did against the Warriors, is completely immaterial. In both cases they earned a trip to the free throw line by attacking the paint in the closing seconds of a tight game, only to see blown calls and non-calls distort their successes into TOs and losses. Does it happen? Sure. The refs are human, and mistakes are inevitable. Does that make it acceptable? Fuck no.

That said, I agree the Portland call was the more egregious error, and in all likelihood, if not for that blown charge on OJ and the loss that it precipitated, Rick wouldn't have made as much of the non-call last night. Salt don't hurt until it gets poured on an open wound.

dirt_dobber · 02-01-2013, 05:47 PM

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No one can take away the title Dallas won square and fair against the best teams in the league. I can feed on that win for the next decade or so. In the meantime, F'm all!

and one of the hardest routes to the finals in recent history - Portland then OKC then Lakers - then bitch slapped the Heat (in a non-strike season!)

I'm with you on this - I can live off that banner for a long,long time.

dude1394 · 02-01-2013, 06:06 PM

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and one of the hardest routes to the finals in recent history - Portland then OKC then Lakers - then bitch slapped the Heat (in a non-strike season!)

I'm with you on this - I can live off that banner for a long,long time.

To hear the dry powder adherents yak, it was all luck and lightning in a bottle, never to even come close to be repeated.

EricaLubarsky · 02-01-2013, 06:39 PM

Well, it hasn't been your day, your week, your month, or even your year?

b_o_r · 02-01-2013, 08:18 PM

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I wish the Mavs would just tank the season so we can get a high draft pick

Instead we'll barely miss the playoffs and end up with a crappy draft pick.

last year was the year to do so .

markus1234 · 02-01-2013, 08:29 PM

Should have kept Tyson and tanked the lockout season.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-01-2013, 09:10 PM

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Should have kept Tyson and tanked the lockout season.

Yes...because then that would be bulletproof evidence that keeping Chandler was worth it. Just tank the season after signing him!

dude1394 · 02-01-2013, 09:17 PM

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Well, it hasn't been your day, your week, your month, or even your year?

Make that two years now, certainly going to be three and more likely 4-5.

ReDirkulous Tyme · 02-02-2013, 04:23 AM

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To hear the dry powder adherents yak, it was all luck and lightning in a bottle, never to even come close to be repeated.

Actually, powder-dry advocate or not, I can virtually guarantee you that the Mavs would never have come close to competing for a championship with the same lineup that we won with. Simply put, we got hot at the right time, Dirk had one of the most historic playoff runs of all time, and everyone who should have contributed, did, and did so emphatically. However, that year we played FAR beyond our potential. But hey, a ring is a ring.

Cuban made the correct decision in letting MOST of our guys go, probably with the exception of Chandler and maybe Butler. I feel as if everyone on our current roster is superior to everyone on that roster, with the exception of Chandler. Everyone whining about how we should of kept the team together are fucking morons, to put it extremely bluntly. That team had absolutely no prayer in hell at competing with the likes of OKC, Clips, and Miami.

dude1394 · 02-02-2013, 11:16 AM

Well now that you say that, what else is to be said. Case closed.

We are obviously much closer to competing for a championship now than we would have been. Not

markus1234 · 02-02-2013, 12:09 PM

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Actually, powder-dry advocate or not, I can virtually guarantee you that the Mavs would never have come close to competing for a championship with the same lineup that we won with.

Yes, i agree. And that's exactly why we should have tanked the lockout seson.

BUT at the same time I can virtually guarantee you that the Mavs would be in a much better position with Dirk&Chandler than with Dirk&dry powder. At least for 2013-2015

ReDirkulous Tyme · 02-02-2013, 07:11 PM

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Yes, i agree. And that's exactly why we should have tanked the lockout seson.

BUT at the same time I can virtually guarantee you that the Mavs would be in a much better position with Dirk&Chandler than with Dirk&dry powder. At least for 2013-2015

I'm never an advocate of tanking a season, as the Mavs (aside from Dirk) have never had a history of developing good young talent. As long as Dirk hasn't retired, I always viewed us as a Spurs-esque team that wouldn't really rebuild, you just continue placing quality pieces around your star. But yes, I do completely agree with the fact that we should've kept Chandler. However, I think a major reason that the Mavs didn't, and this hasn't ever been discussed really from what I've seen, is because we were still worried about TC's health issues. Granted, he had none in Dallas, but he was quite injury prone before he arrived. I'm willing to bet that completely aside from the "powder-dry" scenario, the FO was worried about Tyson's continued health if they gave him a long-term contract. Obviously, at this point, that fear went unrealized and he has stayed healthy. But I don't think that it was as blatantly obvious as a lot of these would-be knowledgeable fans think it was.