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pkdumas · 02-23-2010, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

It's not surprise that he and Haywood had by far the best +/- ratings when with the Wizards this year. Those small things matter. He does take some bad shots though but that is my only complaint.

I would like to complain about Caron's kneepad things. They are ugly.

LonghornDub · 02-23-2010, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I think his inability to handle Josh PALED in comparison to his inability to handle Dirk.

I think he permanently ruined Josh (not that Josh didn't also have his own inherent shortcomings). Dirk is obviously fine nowadays. That's why I put his handling of Josh higher.

SMC0007 · 02-23-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I think he permanently ruined Josh (not that Josh didn't also have his own inherent shortcomings). Dirk is obviously fine nowadays. That's why I put his handling of Josh higher.

NAh, I'm purty sure massive pot smoking, ill timed partying, and just flat out not having a clue ruined Josh. I don't lay that one at Averys feet.

fluid.forty.one · 02-23-2010, 12:13 AM

Epic trade.

mkat · 02-23-2010, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I think he permanently ruined Josh (not that Josh didn't also have his own inherent shortcomings). Dirk is obviously fine nowadays. That's why I put his handling of Josh higher.

you can say what you want about avery (and everyone already has...how it is even brought up in this thread makes no sense to me, but okay), but he forced dirk to learn to do something besides shoot the basketball. any inside game dirk has has its roots in avery's influence.

LonghornDub · 02-23-2010, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

NAh, I'm purty sure massive pot smoking, ill timed partying, and just flat out not having a clue ruined Josh. I don't lay that one at Averys feet.

Josh did all those things before Avery got to him, and he was a much more effective player.

sefant77 · 02-23-2010, 12:22 AM

Despite the best record of all "rookie coaches" he still doesnt have a job as coach and there was plenty of teams changing coaches.

And no, i dont believe he likes TNT/ESPN more than coaching (i not even know where he is because i always mute and do something else)...

Thespiralgoeson · 02-23-2010, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mkat

you can say what you want about avery (and everyone already has...how it is even brought up in this thread makes no sense to me, but okay), but he forced dirk to learn to do something besides shoot the basketball. any inside game dirk has has its roots in avery's influence.

I could not possibly disagree with this more.

SMC0007 · 02-23-2010, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Josh did all those things before Avery got to him, and he was a much more effective player.

He was hungry and he wanted to establish himself as a legit player in this league. Once he achieved that he was on the gravy train. Perhaps he didn't feel the need to work harder to keep it up or improve. Besides, I'm not sure that he had a reputation for throwing big parties during a key run in the playoffs or announcing that he smokes pot during the offseason before Avery.

ShaggyDirk · 02-23-2010, 12:25 AM

windmill seems to be the only poster in this thread who has a clue...all it takes for this board is a loss and this fluff goes away..

fluid.forty.one · 02-23-2010, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I could not possibly disagree with this more.

No kidding. Dirk has always made more of an effort than any basketball player in the NBA today to add more facets to his game in the off-season. Holger and Dirk and, in someways, Nellie made Dirk. Not Avery. Not in any way.

quietsavant · 02-23-2010, 12:26 AM

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"I didn't like the way we played," said Carlisle. "I didn't think our players would disagree with that. We played a sloppy game. Our ball movement wasn't crisp, we settled for shots that weren't the best shots. Defensively, we had too many breakdowns. We're going to have to get better from this. Obviously, we have to play better Wednesday. You like getting a win. I just didn't like the way we played overall. It wasn't the same kind of basketball we played over the last three games."

Read more: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Blogs/Cour...#ixzz0gKlBoThJ

I imagine he's chuckling and holding back his laugh while saying this.

fluid.forty.one · 02-23-2010, 12:28 AM

From the NBA recap:

"The Mavericks surrendered at least 100 points in eight straight games before the All-Star break, including a 120.3 average over the last three games of that 3-5 stretch."

The crazy all-star weekend and trade excitement made me completely forget about this until I read it. How ugly.

fluid.forty.one · 02-23-2010, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaggyDirk

windmill seems to be the only poster in this thread who has a clue...all it takes for this board is a loss and this fluff goes away..

You didn't seem to get it, though, when you posted "loss." before the game.

grndmstr_c · 02-23-2010, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mkat

you can say what you want about avery (and everyone already has...how it is even brought up in this thread makes no sense to me, but okay), but he forced dirk to learn to do something besides shoot the basketball. any inside game dirk has has its roots in avery's influence.

F' that! That stupid little man disgraced the organization and its greatest player when he stood up to take credit for Dirk's MVP, when in fact he should have been thanking Dirk for winning him his COY. Avery will get no credit from me for his handling of Dirk. Dirk's talent. Dirk's hard work. Dirk's irrepressible love of the game. Those things, not Avery's squealing and self-important puffery, have been the foundations of Dirk's success.

fluid.forty.one · 02-23-2010, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

F' that! That stupid little man disgraced the organization and its greatest player when he stood up to take credit for Dirk's MVP, when in fact he should have been thanking Dirk for winning him his COY. Avery will get no credit from me for his handling of Dirk. Dirk's talent. Dirk's hard work. Dirk's irrepressible love of the game. Those things, not Avery's squealing and self-important puffery, have been the foundations of Dirk's success.

god, I forgot all about that. How disgusting.

SMC0007 · 02-23-2010, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaggyDirk

windmill seems to be the only poster in this thread who has a clue...all it takes for this board is a loss and this fluff goes away..

Nope. You are the only poster who has a clue.

LonghornDub · 02-23-2010, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

He was hungry and he wanted to establish himself as a legit player in this league. Once he achieved that he was on the gravy train. Perhaps he didn't feel the need to work harder to keep it up or improve. Besides, I'm not sure that he had a reputation for throwing big parties during a key run in the playoffs or announcing that he smokes pot during the offseason before Avery.

Josh has always been Josh. The difference was, at some point in his career, he knew his role. It wasn't until Avery convinced him that he was the Robin to Dirk's Batman--a second scorer type--that he became a inefficient, generally ineffective player.

Thespiralgoeson · 02-23-2010, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

F' that! That stupid little man disgraced the organization and its greatest player when he stood up to take credit for Dirk's MVP, when in fact he should have been thanking Dirk for winning him his COY. Avery will get no credit from me for his handling of Dirk. Dirk's talent. Dirk's hard work. Dirk's irrepressible love of the game. Those things, not Avery's squealing and self-important puffery, have been the foundations of Dirk's success.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to grndmstr_c again.

mavs777 · 02-23-2010, 12:37 AM

again I am undefeated on the season

ShaggyDirk · 02-23-2010, 12:39 AM

the reality is we don't have a back up for Kidd.

Dirkadirkastan · 02-23-2010, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

again I am undefeated on the season

This isn't really your GDT win streak to have, though.

dude1394 · 02-23-2010, 12:42 AM

Avery sucked...

My buddy and I were talking at the game tonight and wondering if we would have made a josh-haywood trade, have to say stinkin' yes. What a nice one, we get a guy who I would trade for in a second in haywood for josh and we get a throw in small forward and shooting guard.

Can't beat that bro'!

sefant77 · 02-23-2010, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

god, I forgot all about that. How disgusting.

Uh, i dont remember that quote, can someone help out?

And like i told, it has a reason why Avery isnt still back in the league...

pkdumas · 02-23-2010, 12:44 AM

Avery was the balls before he switched hotels that fateful night in Miami.

SMC0007 · 02-23-2010, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Josh has always been Josh. The difference was, at some point in his career, he knew his role. It wasn't until Avery convinced him that he was the Robin to Dirk's Batman--a second scorer type--that he became a inefficient, generally ineffective player.

I don't believe Avey ruined Josh. I also think the success he had caused A LOT of people to believe he could robin up behind Dirk not just Avery. I'd rather not debate Avery and Josh in this thread so I'll leave it at this.

Usually Lurkin · 02-23-2010, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pkdumas

Avery was the balls before he switched hotels that fateful night in Miami.

Josh ruined Avery. Not the other way around.

Thespiralgoeson · 02-23-2010, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Josh ruined Avery. Not the other way around.

I think they both ruined themselves.

dirno2000 · 02-23-2010, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Josh has always been Josh. The difference was, at some point in his career, he knew his role. It wasn't until Avery convinced him that he was the Robin to Dirk's Batman--a second scorer type--that he became a inefficient, generally ineffective player.

I'm trying to figure out how Avery gets the blame for Josh's decline when it came under Carlisle.

dirno2000 · 02-23-2010, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Despite the best record of all "rookie coaches" he still doesnt have a job as coach and there was plenty of teams changing coaches.

And no, i dont believe he likes TNT/ESPN more than coaching (i not even know where he is because i always mute and do something else)...

He's drawing a full salary from Cuban while getting paid by ESPN. My guess is he'll be back in the game next season.

grndmstr_c · 02-23-2010, 01:14 AM

I guess if I'm going to post anything in a postgame thread I need to at least post something about the game. A lot of it was ugly, but it sure was nice to see the team get a comfortable win on the night that Carlisle loosened up the rotation. That 2nd (successful) one-man fastbreak from Booby right after he'd got blocked was priceless.

Jon Avalon · 02-23-2010, 01:20 AM

awww man i missed the game

Good to hear some of the good things happen, grats to woody for the 20 reb game. Watching the highlights now, good stuff.

fluid.forty.one · 02-23-2010, 01:27 AM

I thought this was an great stat:

Dirk Nowitzki tallied a game-high 23 points, his 15th consecutive game with at least 20 against the Pacers.

Since the Pacers are in the east, that's almost 8 years of domination.

mavsjunkie · 02-23-2010, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Despite the best record of all "rookie coaches" he still doesnt have a job as coach and there was plenty of teams changing coaches.

And no, i dont believe he likes TNT/ESPN more than coaching (i not even know where he is because i always mute and do something else)...

I'm not too shocked at the Mavs fan base for hating the guy that's taken this franchise farther than any coach in Mavs History.

Seems like our fan base is in love with the people who make us feel warm and cozy inside vs someone who helps us win.

Usually Lurkin · 02-23-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jon Avalon

awww man i missed the game

Good to hear some of the good things happen, grats to woody for the 20 reb game. Watching the highlights now, good stuff.

Not too long ago, I was sitting there staring at a Clippers' boxscore, wishing the Mavs had someone that could occasionally pull down 20 rebounds in a game.

Anyone know the last time a Mav had 20 rbs?

grndmstr_c · 02-23-2010, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Not too long ago, I was sitting there staring at a Clippers' boxscore, wishing the Mavs had someone that could occasionally pull down 20 rebounds in a game.

Anyone know the last time a Mav had 20 rbs?

Damp did it against Houston on Nov. 10th.

Thespiralgoeson · 02-23-2010, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mavsjunkie

I'm not too shocked at the Mavs fan base for hating the guy that's taken this franchise farther than any coach in Mavs History.

Seems like our fan base is in love with the people who make us feel warm and cozy inside vs someone who helps us win.

Avery didn't "take" the Mavs anywhere. He was along for the ride. Dirk took the Mavs to the finals and to 67 wins. Dirk. Not Avery. Dirk.

I've said many times before and I'll say again, the Mavs were successful in spite of Avery, not because of him.

Usually Lurkin · 02-23-2010, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Damp did it against Houston on Nov. 10th.

wow. really? Erick Dampier? we should make that guy's contract end every year.

Usually Lurkin · 02-23-2010, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Avery didn't "take" the Mavs anywhere. He was along for the ride. Dirk took the Mavs to the finals and to 67 wins. Dirk. Not Avery. Dirk.

I've said many times before and I'll say again, the Mavs were successful in spite of Avery, not because of him.

And as many time as you say it, someone's going to say, "you can tell because of all the finals appearances they made before and after Avery was coach."

Thespiralgoeson · 02-23-2010, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

wow. really? Erick Dampier? we should make that guy's contract end every year.

NBA contracts in general just shouldn't be guaranteed like they are. It's really a terrible system.