Team Option Contracts: a poll - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

EricaLubarsky · 06-27-2017, 02:30 PM

Dirk was not picked up, but will re-sign
Liggins was not picked up
Yogi was picked up and will remain with the team.

Vote for guys you think should get their team option picked up. You can vote for as many as you think should come back.

Noel/Dirk/Mejri
Barnes/Powell/ ???
Matthews/ ???
Curry/ ??? / ???
Smith/ Ferrell/ Barea

Murphy3 · 06-27-2017, 02:51 PM

When you create a poll and want someone to actually vote according to what they believe, it's probably a good idea to not throw in your opinions next to the selection options.

saclare · 06-27-2017, 02:52 PM

My hesitation with not picking up Hammons is the lack of depth into the G league squad at center, and his cost aka not much. I bet he is back but he's not too big of a concern for me.

I think the no brainers are DFS and Brussino, and then Harris will be up in the air. He's our best option for a backup SG.

I'll also say, and I know why you left him off of the roster above, but Motley will end up with plenty of playing time a la DFS. I'm excited about that pickup.

sefant77 · 06-27-2017, 03:01 PM

DFS and Brussino picked up

No to Devin. If he wants to stay, its a vet minimum deal for him. Dont waste cap space to please him.

Ready to give up on Hammons. Dude is 25 in the summer and didnt show anything yet.

Cant rate Uthoff at all, no idea

SMC0007 · 06-27-2017, 03:14 PM

Devin is a baller and I would love to see him get paid what he's worth here, though we aren't in that place r now. He's gives max effort every single night and he's crafty AF! Aside from Dirk, If we had money to satisfy a player, for me it would be him. We can lose a PG or SG for a period of time and feel secure that it wouldn't be him that costs us games.

EricaLubarsky · 06-27-2017, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

When you create a poll and want someone to actually vote according to what they believe, it's probably a good idea to not throw in your opinions next to the selection options.

Noted and ignored

FromDownTown! · 06-27-2017, 04:04 PM

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Devin is a baller and I would love to see him get paid what he's worth here, though we aren't in that place r now. He's gives max effort every single night and he's crafty AF! Aside from Dirk, If we had money to satisfy a player, for me it would be him. We can lose a PG or SG for a period of time and feel secure that it wouldn't be him that costs us games.

Agree!

EricaLubarsky · 06-27-2017, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Devin is a baller and I would love to see him get paid what he's worth here, though we aren't in that place r now. He's gives max effort every single night and he's crafty AF! Aside from Dirk, If we had money to satisfy a player, for me it would be him. We can lose a PG or SG for a period of time and feel secure that it wouldn't be him that costs us games.

Thing about Devin is that he's turned into a great backup SG sparkplug.

His 4.4million dollar contract is only 1.5 million more than the veteran minimum and only 3.1 million more than a cap hold/minimum contract, so he's a crazy good deal.

He also seems loyal, so we may be able to waive him/not pick up team option, fill to cap and then sign him on a veteran minimum contract (veteran contracts can be signed after hitting the cap).

Lots to think about with him.

sefant77 · 06-27-2017, 05:45 PM

Harris also missed 25% of his games in the past two seasons, thats a lot.

He shouldnt be butthurt if the Mavs decline his option and offer him the vet min when they tell him they need this money in the FA...

rimrocker · 06-27-2017, 05:51 PM

Any player 24 and under is fine with me.

That leaves out Harris and Hammons.

rimrocker · 06-27-2017, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Dirk was not picked up, but will re-sign
Liggins was not picked up
Yogi was picked up and will remain with the team.

Vote for guys you think should get their team option picked up. You can vote for as many as you think should come back.

Noel/Dirk/Mejri
Barnes/Powell/ ???
Matthews/ ???
Curry/ ??? / ???
Smith/ Ferrell/ Barea

I'm pretty happy with our current roster....just add McLemore as a potential future backcourt mate for DSJ and I think we're done for this off-season.

Noel/Mejri/Powell
Dirk/Uthoff/Motley
Barnes/Brussino/DFS
Wes/Curry/McLemore
DSJ/Yogi/JJB

Melonhead · 06-27-2017, 06:10 PM

Yes to all but Uthoff.
Lets see what Hammons can bring in year 2.
DFS/Brussino no brainers on min contract

Harris isnt making that much and 1.5 million shouldnt stop us considering he is still a decent sparkplug off the bench and be crafty at times. You would be hard pressed to find another player in the league that can bring what he brings for less than 4.4m.

Motley can only play 45 games in the NBA so most of his season will be in the G league. Also still recovering from his injury in March. Hopefully he can be added after All Star break full time.

tap2390 · 06-27-2017, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm pretty happy with our current roster....just add McLemore as a potential future backcourt mate for DSJ and I think we're done for this off-season.

Noel/Mejri/Powell
Dirk/Uthoff/Motley
Barnes/Brussino/DFS
Wes/Curry/McLemore
DSJ/Yogi/JJB

Agree with signing Mclemore. I would also keep Harris over Uthoff with the understanding that he's more assistant coach than player, but other than that I'm in agreement with your roster.

I don't see any other realistic upgrades. I think chasing Porter or Hayward is a fools errand. I think we can get Mclemore if we recruit him early and hard. If he shows flashes I move Curry at the deadline for a future first from OKC or some other team in need of an outside presence (assuming Curry doesn't light the world on fire, of course).

Bryan_Wilson · 06-27-2017, 06:20 PM

If the Mavs cut Harris they still owe him 1.3m against the cap. If they then resign him to the vet min that would be 2.3m. So combined his cap hit would be 3.6m a savings of only 800k. If they cut him they won't resign him IMO because that just doesn't sound like something the Mavs would do to a guy they want to retire a Mav.

Melonhead · 06-27-2017, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Harris also missed 25% of his games in the past two seasons, thats a lot.

He shouldnt be butthurt if the Mavs decline his option and offer him the vet min when they tell him they need this money in the FA...

Technically 21% (Played 65 of 82). With Dirk in his last two years, I dont see them declining a near vet min contract.

rimrocker · 06-27-2017, 07:05 PM

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Agree with signing Mclemore. I would also keep Harris over Uthoff with the understanding that he's more assistant coach than player, but other than that I'm in agreement with your roster.

I don't see any other realistic upgrades. I think chasing Porter or Hayward is a fools errand. I think we can get Mclemore if we recruit him early and hard. If he shows flashes I move Curry at the deadline for a future first from OKC or some other team in need of an outside presence (assuming Curry doesn't light the world on fire, of course).

Yeah, I think Wes would be a great influence to McLemore and our system should fit him well. Plus he'd be a great fit with DSJ if he lives up to his potential.

I haven't seen enough of Uthoff to make a decision on him yet but he is younger than Harris and appears to have a pretty complete game so I'd like to see more of him.
Our summer team should be fun to watch with DFS, Brussino, DSJ, Motley and Uthoff.

sefant77 · 06-27-2017, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

If the Mavs cut Harris they still owe him 1.3m against the cap. If they then resign him to the vet min that would be 2.3m. So combined his cap hit would be 3.6m a savings of only 800k. If they cut him they won't resign him IMO because that just doesn't sound like something the Mavs would do to a guy they want to retire a Mav.

800k doesnt sound like a lot but if you add this amount to a 4 year contract offer for Free Agent XY and its almost a five million difference over the total contract length...

Thats why i want them to decline the offer

Melonhead · 06-27-2017, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

800k doesnt sound like a lot but if you add this amount to a 4 year contract offer for Free Agent XY and its almost a five million difference over the total contract length...

Thats why i want them to decline the offer

wouldnt the 800k only apply to this season though? Not all four seasons of another players contract. Maybe Im off

sefant77 · 06-27-2017, 07:42 PM

As example you can offer a starting salary of 10.8 instead of 10 with additional yearly raise. So it apply to every year including the annual raise (thaty why its even more than the 4x800k)

Bryan_Wilson · 06-27-2017, 08:06 PM

Outside of the top guys who are not coming here I just don't see anyone I'd want to spend the kind of money on that would require cutting Harris to save salary. The biggest signing I see us making is using MLE on a 5-8m type player personally.

mac222b · 06-27-2017, 08:07 PM

I'd say keep Devin but where is his playing time going to come from? Assuming RC can't help himself and plays Wes 30-35 per game. Seth gets 20-30. Yogi gets 10-20. JJB in there somewhere. No way you let sentimentality stop you from moving Devin, JJB or Wes at this point if something really good comes along. Along with Powell these 4 represent a max contract that could be spent on a presumably much better, younger player. Not that that player will necessarily present themselves. I'm sure they've tested the waters as far as the relative values of these guys are concerned and would move any of them if the right FA or salary dump were to come along.

Hammons I trust they know by now if he has the drive, work habits, talent to stick and trust their judgement. Although they maybe gave up on Dedmon a little quickly a few years back.

Underdog · 06-27-2017, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Outside of the top guys who are not coming here I just don't see anyone I'd want to spend the kind of money on that would require cutting Harris to save salary. The biggest signing I see us making is using MLE on a 5-8m type player personally.

This is how I see it as well... We're not a competitor, so guns-for-hire aren't necessary, the mid-grade players don't provide any more upside than our youth, and none of the big fish will be coming here until after DSJ wins RoTY... Stand pat and don't tie up any longterm salary in players who don't move the needle.

Harris only has 1 year left on his contract, then I could see him possibly retiring. Might as well keep him around since he's a great locker room presence, Dirk likes him, plus he could work as a bit of a player-coach to Smith Jr. and Yogi.

Underdog · 06-27-2017, 10:37 PM

Harris - yes, for the reason listed above.

DFS - hell yes, dude shows a ton of promise -- hope to see him take another step forward this season.

Brussino - a very intriguing player, since he brings guard skills at the forward position -- Carlisle seemed to like him, so I bet he sticks around.

Uthoff - on the bubble, but he's the closest non-HoF player we have to a stretch-4 right now, so he could end up nabbing the 15th spot by default.

Hammons - I think Motley is going to bump him out -- especially if Dirk still plays the 5, Powell sticks around, and Noel eats up most of those center minutes anyway.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-27-2017, 10:59 PM

I had Uthoff as the lone guy left out but I can easily see Hammons gone. I had him as there just because of his size and his contract is already guaranteed. It doesn't have an option I'm aware of. I remember when it came out last year it was "not the norm but not exactly rare" or something. But what concerns me about Hammons is he didn't come close to dominating the D league. It's not a direct barometer but I at least see it as a sign. JJ Barea and Dwight Powell cruised in D league and they are rotation players in the NBA. Hammons is a 12/8 guy in the d league, same league Powell was 26/10.

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Yeah I don't see on spotrac or bbref or anywhere a team option for Hammons. But he could still get cut for being a waste of space, still belongs on the poll spiritually. Not having it be a team option might save his ass in the end.

Murphy3 · 06-28-2017, 07:27 AM

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Noted and ignored

Just trying to help you out... Help was obviously needed. You can choose to heed solid advice or you can ignore it. Obviously the choice is yours.

EricaLubarsky · 06-28-2017, 11:28 AM

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Just trying to help you out... Help was obviously needed. You can choose to heed solid advice or you can ignore it. Obviously the choice is yours.

Thank you so much. You're such a sweetheart to look after me.

EricaLubarsky · 06-28-2017, 11:44 AM

No, not Liggins.

Traded to the Rockets for cash

Bryan_Wilson · 06-28-2017, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

No, not Liggins.

Traded to the Rockets for cash

Splash!

Murphy3 · 06-28-2017, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Thank you so much. You're such a sweetheart to look after me.

You're very welcome.

rimrocker · 06-28-2017, 03:47 PM

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Agree with signing Mclemore.

Looks like we might have a chance.
Kings declined QO so he is unrestricted now.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-be-free-agent

EricaLubarsky · 06-29-2017, 01:42 PM

Uthof dealt to Rockets for $$$ too

REEKO_HTOWN · 06-29-2017, 01:53 PM

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Uthof dealt to Rockets for $$$ too

We own putting together our own DUST chip with a bunch of crumbs.

Thanks for the help guys

Underdog · 06-29-2017, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Uthof dealt to Rockets for $$$ too

That simplifies things a bit.

walter · 06-29-2017, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I had Uthoff as the lone guy left out but I can easily see Hammons gone. I had him as there just because of his size and his contract is already guaranteed. It doesn't have an option I'm aware of. I remember when it came out last year it was "not the norm but not exactly rare" or something. But what concerns me about Hammons is he didn't come close to dominating the D league. It's not a direct barometer but I at least see it as a sign. JJ Barea and Dwight Powell cruised in D league and they are rotation players in the NBA. Hammons is a 12/8 guy in the d league, same league Powell was 26/10.

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Yeah I don't see on spotrac or bbref or anywhere a team option for Hammons. But he could still get cut for being a waste of space, still belongs on the poll spiritually. Not having it be a team option might save his ass in the end.

Thank you. I've seen people here mention Hammons has a team option a lot. He doesn't. We signed him on a 3 year fully guaranteed deal for slightly above rookie minimum. He can be waived obviously, but there is no team option at all.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/dal/salary/

Underdog · 06-29-2017, 02:03 PM

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Thank you. I've seen people here mention Hammons has a team option a lot. He doesn't. We signed him on a 3 year fully guaranteed deal for slightly above rookie minimum. He can be waived obviously, but there is no team option at all.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/dal/salary/

Yeah, the often-unreliable HoopsHype has him listed as a team option -- they're one of the top results in a Google search, so that's probably how the misinformation is getting spread around.

Underdog · 06-29-2017, 02:30 PM

@bobbykaralla: After the Uthoff move, the Mavs now have 12 players under contract (counting DSJ for convenience sake), plus Noel (RFA) & Dirk (tm option).

mac222b · 06-29-2017, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by REEKO_HTOWN

We own putting together our own DUST chip with a bunch of crumbs.

Thanks for the help guys

Don't mention it. Whats the endgame though? What do they have to offer for a 3rd star? Eric Gordon is a nice player but ya'll can really use his shooting. No one wants to pay Ryan Anderson 19m for the next few years even if he is a useful player. Ariza is declining. They have no 2018 first round pick.

saclare · 06-29-2017, 03:30 PM

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Don't mention it. Whats the endgame though? What do they have to offer for a 3rd star? Eric Gordon is a nice player but ya'll can really use his shooting. No one wants to pay Ryan Anderson 19m for the next few years even if he is a useful player. Ariza is declining. They have no 2018 first round pick.

End game? 2nd round exit, at best.

Underdog · 06-30-2017, 10:01 AM

I wonder how much those cash considerations for Liggins and Uthoff were worth? We can add up to $3.5m to buy a draft pick next summer, which is exactly how Golden State was able to buy the Jordan Bell pick in this draft... Always nice to have the option to pick up another 2nd rounder.

saclare · 06-30-2017, 10:17 AM

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I wonder how much those cash considerations for Liggins and Uthoff were worth? We can add up to $3.5m to buy a draft pick next summer, which is exactly how Portland was able to buy the Jordan Bell pick in this draft... Always nice to have the option to pick up another 2nd rounder.

Golden State* and he will likely replace some to most of Iguodala's minutes, as I see the latter leaving for bigger bucks elsewhere