2013-14 NBA Season: Random Thoughts Thread - Page 3 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

mac222b · 12-19-2013, 03:35 PM

I like Morey less after hearing about the "offer" for Dirk. What a dweeby little twit.

adonis · 12-19-2013, 04:32 PM

The most overrated player of all time out for 6 weeks.

EricaLubarsky · 12-19-2013, 04:43 PM

Bucks fans buy billboard to encourage Bucks to tank

http://saveourbucks.com/

Underdog · 12-19-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Bucks fans buy billboard to encourage Bucks to tank

http://saveourbucks.com/

There are definitely worse things that you can do to your franchise than passing on Chandler and striking out on D-Will, Dwight and CP3... Weren't these guys supposed to be a playoff team at one point?

Also, no need to "tank" when you're only 5-20 while TRYING to win.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-19-2013, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by adonis

The most overrated player of all time out for 6 weeks.

Lakers should just tank. They have absolutely no shot at anything other than a prayer of an 8th seed this season. Injuries and mental cases (Kaman) have just killed him.

Then again, so many teams are tanking that not everyone is going to get a top 7 pick.

A weird season so far.

mac222b · 12-19-2013, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Lakers should just tank. They have absolutely no shot at anything other than a prayer of an 8th seed this season. Injuries and mental cases (Kaman) have just killed him.

Then again, so many teams are tanking that not everyone is going to get a top 7 pick.

A weird season so far.

I thought they owed their pick to the Suns?

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-19-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I thought they owed their pick to the Suns?

Ah yes, I believe you are correct.

TripleDipping · 12-19-2013, 06:34 PM

Kobe out with knee fracture

sike · 12-19-2013, 11:04 PM

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Kobe out with knee fracture

I hate the Lakers. That is all.

adonis · 12-19-2013, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Lakers should just tank. They have absolutely no shot at anything other than a prayer of an 8th seed this season. Injuries and mental cases (Kaman) have just killed him.

Then again, so many teams are tanking that not everyone is going to get a top 7 pick.

A weird season so far.

The Lakers are actually better without Kobe. So if they want to tank, they should play Kobe immediately when he comes back.

EricaLubarsky · 12-19-2013, 11:47 PM

Rumor is that Kaman is the harbinger of knee injuries.

adonis · 12-20-2013, 01:19 AM

GSW sucks. I still can't believe we lost to a Mark Jackson-coached team on a last second shot.

twelli · 12-23-2013, 06:55 AM

That stat line by Kevin Love tonight is insane.

Underdog · 12-28-2013, 05:40 PM

Toronto is 4th in the East with a 12-15 record.

Memphis is 13th in the West with a 12-16 record.

Cerberus · 01-04-2014, 10:43 PM

LOL Kevin Love (finally) gets called the foul while shooting a 3 pointer with 3 seconds left against OKC for the lead. And misses all 3 free throws. Haha something that would never happen with Dirk.

spreedom · 01-05-2014, 05:41 PM

Celtics-Grizzlies close on a Courtney Lee-Jerryd Bayless trade. Damn, I was really hoping C-Lee would be a trade target for us.

Bayliss · 01-05-2014, 05:52 PM

Courtney Lee is terrible. Must be a monetary move on the Grizz's part. They now have no PG on their team other than Conley. And Bayless wasn't a true point, but Lee definitely isn't one.

(Edited to say: Looks like it is a monetary move for the Celtics. Bayless is an expirer this year. Grizz getting kind of screwed on this deal.)

spreedom · 01-05-2014, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Courtney Lee is terrible. Must be a monetary move on the Grizz's part. They now have no PG on their team other than Conley. And Bayless wasn't a true point, but Lee definitely isn't one.

(Edited to say: Looks like it is a monetary move for the Celtics. Bayless is an expirer this year. Grizz getting kind of screwed on this deal.)

Playing the best ball of his career... just not getting the minutes. Shooting 49% from the field and 44% from three, and he is a plus-defender. I don't see what's not to like as far as roleplayers are concerned. I'd love to see him on our bench.

Bayliss · 01-05-2014, 06:52 PM

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Playing the best ball of his career... just not getting the minutes. Shooting 49% from the field and 44% from three, and he is a plus-defender. I don't see what's not to like as far as roleplayers are concerned. I'd love to see him on our bench.

His ball ball of his career was when he was in Orlando. Unfortunately that missed layup really affected his overall game, much like Anderon's free throws did to him.

Courtney Lee isn't getting minutes on an inexperienced squad starved for back court help with Rondo out. His shooting numbers look nice but his overall game is terrible. And his contract is for another 2 years. Yuck.

spreedom · 01-05-2014, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

His ball ball of his career was when he was in Orlando. Unfortunately that missed layup really affected his overall game, much like Anderon's free throws did to him.

Courtney Lee isn't getting minutes on an inexperienced squad starved for back court help with Rondo out. His shooting numbers look nice but his overall game is terrible. And his contract is for another 2 years. Yuck.

I totally disagree with this post, especially the bolded part... but to each his own.

spreedom · 01-05-2014, 11:21 PM

Andre Miller on the trading block, per the Denver Post:

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci...-trading-block

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Andre Miller on Denver Nuggets' trading block
By Christopher Dempsey

Andre Miller, who was excused from all team activities for four days, won't be part of the Nuggets team much longer after he returns.

The Nuggets are actively trying to trade Miller, according to a league source. It will be the second time Miller has been traded from the franchise. He was traded back in 2006 in a package that brought Allen Iverson to the Nuggets.

It has been a dicey few days for Miller, who verbally went after Nuggets coach Brian Shaw during the team's game last Wednesday against Philadelphia. Miller was initially suspended, but then that suspension was rescinded, in part so Miller would be able to continue getting paid during his time off.

Miller has spent all or parts of seven seasons in Denver, in two stints, this latest one starting in 2011, when Portland traded him back to the Nuggets.

He has averaged 12.0 points and 6.7 assists in his career with the Nuggets.

Almost makes me wish backup point guard was a need for us, considering how badly he kills us every time we play his team. Lots of teams could use a backup PG of his caliber. Minnesota comes to mind first, and Golden State after them.

Bayliss · 01-07-2014, 06:11 PM

I would really like to have Andre Miller. The only unsettling thing is he has been disgruntled about playing time several times in his career. But he is a steady eddie on the court.

j0Shi · 01-07-2014, 07:46 PM

Will Bynum join the Heat now?

Underdog · 01-07-2014, 07:51 PM

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Will Bynum join the Heat now?

Why would the Heat do that to themselves?

Bayliss · 01-07-2014, 08:12 PM

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Will Bynum join the Heat now?

Don't think they want Will Bynum.

j0Shi · 01-08-2014, 10:38 AM

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Don't think they want Will Bynum.

Noticed that wordplay as well after writing it

Meanwhile:

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I'm told 8 teams are interested in signing A Bynum, most notably Heat & Clips. Playing time, contender status & $ all factors in decision.

https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/...39494159040512

Why Heat? Because it's a standard move for every veteran who likes to take the fast route to a(nother) ring and Miami has little to lose given they pay only the veterans minimum.

And I don't think any team should offer more right now anyway. He has to prove the rest of the season that he still is eager to play ball.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-11-2014, 10:15 AM

Really happy to see Kendall Marshall play well for the Lakers. Does show that if you do give some young guys with potential minutes, then they will succeed. He might not have ever gotten that chance if the Lakers weren't so desperate for a pg.

adonis · 01-12-2014, 06:09 AM

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That stat line by Kevin Love tonight is insane.

That's the only thing he's good at. He's the biggest loser of all time.

EricaLubarsky · 01-12-2014, 12:28 PM

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That's the only thing he's good at. He's the biggest loser of all time.

Bigger loser than Adam Morrison?

Underdog · 01-12-2014, 01:08 PM

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Bigger loser than Adam Morrison?

Or the Ghost of Adam Morrison?

adonis · 01-12-2014, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Bigger loser than Adam Morrison?

Love's regular season winning pct with the timberwolves is terrible, and he's a bigger diva than Morrison.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-12-2014, 08:01 PM

Well Love is currently putting up a stinker against San Antonio. I always hate the term "empty stats" because he is immensely talented, but he always seems to call out his teammates to no avail. He just isn't a true leader that a superstar needs to be.

Jack.Kerr · 01-14-2014, 01:21 AM

Show them the money.

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Pro Basketball
Payout May Come for an A.B.A. Team That Is Long Gone

By RICHARD SANDOMIR
JAN. 7, 2014

The N.B.A. has long hoped to be released from its financial obligation to Ozzie and Daniel Silna, brothers who owned the Spirits of St. Louis in the defunct American Basketball Association.

But it has never been easy. The Spirits were excluded from the 1976 merger of the two leagues. So the Silnas watched unhappily as the New York (now Brooklyn) Nets, the Denver Nuggets, the Indiana Pacers and the San Antonio Spurs were absorbed into the N.B.A. But the Silnas negotiated an astonishing benefit that was critical to the merger: an agreement to be paid one-seventh of the national television revenue that each of the four teams was to receive, as long as the league continued to exist. That amounted to being paid in perpetuity, and so far, the deal has provided the Silnas with about $300 million.

Their deal is as much a part of A.B.A. history as red, white and blue basketballs, the 3-point line and the big Afros of Julius Erving and Darnell Hillman. It is a lasting memory of how, through luck or prescience, the Silnas and their lawyer, Donald Schupak, capitalized on the league’s growing popularity.

The N.B.A. has tried to buy them out, including an effort before the financial crash in 2008. Negotiations have picked up in the last six to nine months.

On Tuesday, the Silnas, the league and the four former A.B.A. teams will announce a conditional deal that will end the Silnas’ golden annuity. Almost.

The Silnas are to receive a $500 million upfront payment, financed through a private placement of notes by JPMorgan Chase and Merrill Lynch, according to three people with direct knowledge of the agreement. The deal would end the enormous perpetual payments and settle a lawsuit filed in federal court by the Silnas that demanded additional compensation from sources of television revenue that did not exist in 1976, including NBA TV, foreign broadcasting of games and League Pass, the service that lets fans watch out-of-market games.

Still, the league is not getting rid of the Silnas altogether. They will continue to get some television revenue, some of it from the disputed sources named in their lawsuit, through a new partnership that is to be formed with the Nets, the Pacers, the Nuggets and the Spurs, according to the people with knowledge of the agreement. But at some point, the Silnas can be bought out of their interest in the partnership.

The Silnas, of course, did not have to settle. They could have continued to make money from the N.B.A., without ever having to invest in players or build an arena. Clearly, their old agreement would have to be honored as long as the N.B.A. continued to exist.

But there is a reluctance, more by Daniel, 69, than Ozzie, 80, to keep fighting the league, said one of the people who discussed the agreement. Although wealthy people often plan their estates, much of the Silnas’ riches from the N.B.A. is already in family trusts.

Bob Costas, the NBC sportscaster who called Spirits games, said in a telephone interview, “My guess is that for the N.B.A., the upside is that in the foreseeable future, there will come a time when they will not have to look at this and blanch and it will be in the past.”

League officials declined to comment because the settlement must be approved by the judge, Loretta A. Preska, who has presided over the case in United States District Court in Manhattan.

The Silnas’ deal resonates, at least in part, because it appears that they snookered the league, or, more accurately, the Nets, the Pacers, the Nuggets and the Spurs, who dealt directly with the brothers.

But Michael Goldberg, the A.B.A.’s former general counsel, recalled in a recent interview that the four teams were desperate to get into the N.B.A. and willing to satisfy the Silnas.

“Schupak said they’d take TV rights in perpetuity as a kind of Hail Mary to get money down the road,” he said. “What was missing was someone saying, ‘Thirty years, 50 years, or until something happens, and it’s over.’ ”

The Spirits got a sweeter deal than the Kentucky Colonels, who were also not absorbed into the league. John Y. Brown, the Colonels’ owner, got $3 million to fold his team.

And while the Silnas, who were planning to move the franchise to Utah at the time of the merger, did not bring a roster that included Caldwell Jones and Marvin Barnes into the N.B.A., they got a $2.2 million payment — and all that television money. They never acquired another team and have attended to their investments (some of which went sour during the Bernard L. Madoff Ponzi scheme).

But their deal, widely called the greatest in sports history, if not in American business, lives on as a remnant of the marriage of the undercapitalized A.B.A. and the N.B.A. in its mid-1970s doldrums, before Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and Michael Jordan.

“The only way to appreciate this,” Goldberg said, “is to go back in a time capsule to the bidding wars between the leagues; the N.B.A. tiring of them, and saying, ‘Let’s take four teams, but not St. Louis and Kentucky, and we’ll move on.’ ”

DirkFTW · 01-14-2014, 10:47 AM

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Show them the money.

So that hippie who made the 3/4-court shot should be able to finally cash in his gigantic check now, right?

EricaLubarsky · 01-14-2014, 10:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMu99dDeisI

spreedom · 01-15-2014, 12:48 PM

Three-way deal, as reported by Woj:

Heat send out Joel Anthony, Philly's future protected first, and a future second and receive Toney Douglas.

Celtics send out MarShon Brooks and Jamal Crawford and receive Joel Anthony, two future 2nds, and a future protected first (Philly's, now belonging to Miami)

Warriors send out Toney Douglas and a future second and receive MarShon Brooks and Jamal Crawford

Looks to me like the Celtics are ramping up those tanking efforts...

EricaLubarsky · 01-15-2014, 02:19 PM

Also, Bogans has been suspended from the team for the rest of the year.

Rondo is almost healthy, but not practicing with the team until he finishes a stint in the D-league.

Rumors are that Rondo is just trying to get healthy in order to be traded and does not get along with the new head coach. Celtics certainly look to be in tanking mode with no cohesion or chemistry, although why they're making Rondo rehab in the D-league is beyond me, unless they are worried about lockerroom issues while Rondo isn't playing.

I don't know if the rumors are true, but if it's as bad as it sounds, then Rondo could be had. It may take first-rounders (which we don't have), but it certainly sounds like Stevens+Rondo aren't a good match and Rondo may not be happy to be in rebuilding mode.

Jack.Kerr · 01-15-2014, 02:43 PM

J.R.Smith is toxic. Knicks supposedly shopping him. Under no circumstances would I want to see him mucking things up for Dirk and the Mavericks. I figure the Knicks will have to pay some team to take Smith off their hands. The question: Who would take him and how much would they charge the Knicks for the trouble?
Thoughts? Anyone?

EricaLubarsky · 01-15-2014, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

J.R.Smith is toxic. Knicks supposedly shopping him. Under no circumstances would I want to see him mucking things up for Dirk and the Mavericks. I figure the Knicks will have to pay some team to take Smith off their hands. The question: Who would take him and how much would they charge the Knicks for the trouble?
Thoughts? Anyone?

Don't think the Knicks are fooling anyone with their rhetoric. JR knows that no one wants him. The team wants to pretend that they are shopping him, because they don't want to admit that he has no value.

Underdog · 01-15-2014, 03:32 PM

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although why they're making Rondo rehab in the D-league is beyond me, unless they are worried about lockerroom issues while Rondo isn't playing.

It was actually Rondo's idea to be assigned to the D-League so he could work out without bogging down the Celtics game plan... He was recalled a couple of hours ago...

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"Rajon is progressing terrifically in his rehab and this is the next step," said Danny Ainge, Celtics President of Basketball Operations. "This is a brief assignment so that Rajon can participate in a workout this afternoon with the Red Claws and he will be called back up to the Celtics upon the conclusion of the workout."