It's time for Jason Terry to be on the bench...

[Murphy3]

It's time for Jason Terry to ride the pine whenever possible on key defensive possessions in the playoffs. If someone's going to make a boneheaded defensive play at exactly the worst time.. you can bet it's going to be Jason Terry. With so little time left on the shot clock, just play defense and force a tough shot. absofreakinglutely horrible.

[some1nw]

he played great in game 1. Made mistakes in game 2. So that qualifies him a bench warmer

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by some1nw

he played great in game 1. Made mistakes in game 2. So that qualifies him a bench warmer

Read my post moron.

[chumdawg]

How do you disguise him, though? That gets to be a lot of moving parts at times. Maybe the better solution is that he gets his HEAD...out of his ASS...when you've just run them down to 2.6 left on a possession in the endgame.

Inexcusable.

[nowhereman]

But then how would Mario Chalmers get a wide open shot to tie the game?

[mav4ever]

so terry is your scapegoat?

he had a bad game. how about the 3 centers that COMBINED for 6 rebounds? and its terry?

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by mav4ever

so terry is your scapegoat?

he had a bad game. how about the 3 centers that COMBINED for 6 rebounds? and its terry?

Mavs went without a center for large segments and crucial parts of the game. And can you point to a singular center moment that was as harmful as Terry's game changing foul on Durant?

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by nowhereman

But then how would Mario Chalmers get a wide open shot to tie the game?

Intriguing question.

[mav4ever]

Originally Posted by nowhereman

Mavs went without a center for large segments and crucial parts of the game. And can you point to a singular center moment that was as harmful as Terry's game changing foul on Durant?

ok, if you say that one play by terry is bigger than pathetic play from an entire position,,,, ok.

3 centers. 35 minutes. 6 rebounds.

but your the expert i guess, right? so terry it was.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by mav4ever

ok, if you say that one play by terry is bigger than pathetic play from an entire position,,,, ok.

3 centers. 35 minutes. 6 rebounds.

but your the expert i guess, right? so terry it was.

Personally, I think the guy who gave the game away with 50 seconds left bears the greatest burden, or perhaps the guy who had the most negative plus/minus and consistently wrecked our defense by being completely overmatched by everyone on the other team. Maybe the guy who struggled so much to guard Durant that the entire team tried to cover for him, leaving Fisher wide open for a three.

Furthermore, nothing in the post is faulting Terry to the exclusion of faulting the centers or offering a comparative value. But nice scarecrow you've got going there. Let me know when I start making too much logical sense for you (although I think I was there a while ago).

I know you're probably related to Jet and taking this kinda rough. I know he's taking this all very personal, what with refusing to be on the Ben and Skin show and talking about auditioning for other teams. But the man has straight up lost us crucial games with his d-league level defense.

To say nothing of fouling Lamar Odom at the end of halftime, leaving Chalmers wide open for three, leaving Nash wide open for three, or not closing out on George Hill.

[dude1394]

Blah, blah, blah, yak,yak, yak.

[OneLove22]

#2 in bench scoring in the NBA. We need JET if this team is going to compete.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by OneLove22

#2 in bench scoring in the NBA. We need JET if this team is going to compete.

The OP is talking about defensive possessions.

[Dale4Saul2Red0]

Where was this post last year while the Mavs were winning a title? Not every player on the floor is going to be a defensive stopper at crunch time. Also the most successful defensive teams don't hinge on 1 player. It's a team effort, rotations, communication, etc.

Your post is way out of line.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Dale4Saul2Red0

Where was this post last year while the Mavs were winning a title? Not every player on the floor is going to be a defensive stopper at crunch time.

To be fair, Jason Terry was playing excellent defense a year ago - so far he's playing Nash-style matador defense... We need JET to play decent-to-good enough defense (or at least not be a total liability on one end of the floor), otherwise he gives us a zero-sum game overall - especially when he's scoring less than 20 points.

[OneLove22]

Originally Posted by nowhereman

The OP is talking about defensive possessions.

I get that. But when he's on the floor he is going to play offense also. This team is built to win with JET on the floor. We really have no choice.

[dude1394]

Jet has nothing behind him, makes you play a lot more tentative.

[Murphy3]

Obviously I'm not talking about having JET off the floor all the time in crunch time. I'm talking about key situations such as last defensive possessions.. or when you've got a lead with about a minute left IF you have timeouts.. get the guy off the court on defense because he has an extreme tendency to make absolutely idiotic decisions on defense in key situations.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by OneLove22

#2 in bench scoring in the NBA. We need JET if this team is going to compete.

Again, I know he's needed on this team. I'm talking about a very specific time in games where he needs to be off the court if at all possible (mostly due to timeout situations).

And no, I'm not making Terry the scapegoat. The Mavs may or may not win that game if he just plays solid defense for about 2 seconds on Durant on the inbound instead of fouling him needlessly. They had other opportunities. But to me, the mental mistakes are the most troubling. I've watched this game long enough to know that shots will sometimes fall.. and sometimes they won't. Durant had a shot in game 1 fall that was nothing more than a prayer. It sucks, but it happens. Sometimes shots fall.. sometimes they don't.

If you play intelligent ball and not foul in that situation, it obviously greatly impacts your ability to survive a missed shot or two down the stretch. When you're on the road in an extremely hostile environment, you can't give away points that late in the game when the offensive player did absolutely nothing at all to earn his way to the line. That, in my opinion, is absolutely inexcusable.

If at all possible, get him off the court for key defensive possessions such as this.

[Midnight Toker]

As a Thunder fan I would LOVE to see terry ride the pine. I hope your coaching staff feels the same way!

[AO41]

LOL who didnt see a thread like this coming. TERRY did everything he could to help us win game 1 and we still lost. DIRK was terrible in game one on offense and especially D. Game 2 they are playint Terry as hard or jarder then Dirk....Dirk had a good game..but again nothin special on D.

We rlly need to leave Haywood out there....forget the 3 cenyer we need a big body and hes the beat we got.

The MAVS will be okk.......KEEP IT POSITIVE

[AO41]

[QUOTE=Murphy3;1272999]Again, I know he's needed on this team. I'm talking about a very specific time in games where he needs to be off the court if at all possible (mostly due to timeout situations).

And no, I'm not making Terry the scapegoat. The Mavs may or may not win that game if he just plays solid defense for about 2 seconds on Durant on the inbound instead of fouling him needlessly. They had other opportunities. But to me, the mental mistakes are the most troubling. I've watched this game long enough to know that shots will sometimes fall.. and sometimes they won't. Durant had a shot in game 1 fall that was nothing more than a prayer. It sucks, but it happens. Sometimes shots fall.. sometimes they don't.

If you play intelligent ball and not foul in that situation, it obviously greatly impacts your ability to survive a missed shot or two down the stretch. When you're on the road in an extremely hostile environment, you can't give away points that late in the game when the offensive player did absolutely nothing at all to earn his way to the line. That, in my opinion, is absolutely inexcusable.

If at all possible, get him off the court for key defensive possessions such as this.[/
QUOTE]



Its not just Terry...win as a tean
.lose as a team.

Look at Dirks 2 TOs in game one in the last minute??

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by Midnight Toker

As a Thunder fan I would LOVE to see terry ride the pine. I hope your coaching staff feels the same way!

Read the thread.. put him on the bench for a key defensive possession late in the game whenever possible. Get him back in offensively.

I'm not talking about sitting the guy for long stretches during crunch time... The Mavs have sat Dirk at times on the defensive side of the ball especially last year when Chandler was with the club.

Terry needs to take a seat at those times because he's entirely too prone to boneheaded defensive plays.

[LonghornDub]

Agree with Murph mostly. I've been on board with less late defensive possessions for Terry for a long time. I have no idea why he's out there when we can do situational subs (except maybe in the hopes of a transition basket).

I admired his effort on D in the playoffs last year, and he did a pretty good job, but surely we have a better option at this point.

All that said, the overall (not Murph's) clamoring for Terry's head is ridiculous. Just like it was last year.

[Murphy3]

I don't know why he's so prone to defensive screw melt downs.. It's one thing to get beat, but he just doesn't seem to be aware of the situation in big playoff games during the last few moments of a game. It's as if he's calm and cool on offense but an absolute mess defensively at times with his decision making.

Yeah, sometimes you get beat.. it happens. but make your opponent work for it. Don't give them 2 points from the FT line that late in the game when there's absolutely no need whatsoever.

[Kidd Karma]

A lot of times you see offense - defense substitutions end game, is Terry - West -Kidd an option when it comes to that. Terry on offense, West - Kidd for defense.

[Midnight Toker]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Read the thread.. put him on the bench for a key defensive possession late in the game whenever possible. Get him back in offensively.

I'm not talking about sitting the guy for long stretches during crunch time... The Mavs have sat Dirk at times on the defensive side of the ball especially last year when Chandler was with the club.

Terry needs to take a seat at those times because he's entirely too prone to boneheaded defensive plays.

That is always easier said than done. You would have to be willing to burn time outs just for a defensive substitution. It burned you guys in game 1 when you had 1.5 seconds on the clock. Imagine what an extra timeout would have meant for you at that time. I get the philosophy and maybe that's more doable at the end of the game where there are a lot of timeouts called between plays. But you cant rely on it hoping your top shooters can simply be inserted when its your team to be on offense.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by Midnight Toker

That is always easier said than done. You would have to be willing to burn time outs just for a defensive substitution. It burned you guys in game 1 when you had 1.5 seconds on the clock. Imagine what an extra timeout would have meant for you at that time. I get the philosophy and maybe that's more doable at the end of the game where there are a lot of timeouts called between plays. But you cant rely on it hoping your top shooters can simply be inserted when its your team to be on offense.

I 100% agree that it's not always possible.. when it is, please get him off the court. He's a mental midget far too often.

[mav4ever]

its hilarious when thunder fan shows up and views the suggestions of our guru's as being knee jerk

(and is correct)

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by mav4ever

its hilarious when thunder fan shows up and views the suggestions of our guru's as being knee jerk

(and is correct)

I wouldn't say Hilarious. There's another word for it.

[mav4ever]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I wouldn't say Hilarious. There's another word for it.

ya prolly so

[Murphy3]

How is it knee jerk? Please explain it to me...? It's knee jerk to say that Terry has a tendency to make boneheaded decisions on the defensive side of the ball in crunch time especially in the playoffs? He has a significant history of doing so. It's knee jerk to say that it'd be great to take him off the court in the final possession for your opponent.. or one of the final 2 possessions if you can do so by using your timeouts?

What's knee jerk about that? No one is calling for the guy to be benched for the entirety of crunch time.. just take him out if at all possible on the defensive side of the ball in the last possession or two and insert him back offensively. If you don't have the Timeouts for it, you can't do it. If you do, then get the guy off the floor on the defensive side.

That is all that this thread is about. It is in no way a knee jerk reaction... whether it's making a horrible decision in fouling Durant when the guy was going to have to throw up an extremely difficult shot because the shot clock was running down.. or giving Nash a 3 apparently unaware of what the game situation was.. or the Chalmers fiasco last year.. Terry just doesn't seem to have his head in the game defensively late in some of these playoff games.

[markus1234]

Exactly.

And btw. Rick made the same mistake in our 1st game vs. OKC.

Look who tries to block Durant's shot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtHq9RFQeqc

...OF COURSE he should not be even on the floor in this situation.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by AO41

Its not just Terry...win as a tean
.lose as a team.

Look at Dirks 2 TOs in game one in the last minute??

No sh!t? Really? Wow, I forgot this wasn't singles tennis. I thought for sure that only one person was on the court at a time. How in the hell could I have missed the other four on each team? Amazing. I now realize that you win and lose as a "tean". Wow, I also forgot that you can't start threads concerning team related issues. Again, I forgot that in each and every thread, you had to discuss everything that went wrong within the entirety of the series.

Yes, I know that Terry is far from the only reason as to why this team is down 2-0. I'm obviously discussing one specific issue here. If you want to start a thread concerning Dirk's TO's in game 1.. go ahead. If you want to discuss Kidd's late TO in game 2 in a new thread, go ahead. You have my permission.

[mav4ever]

i will not use the term knee jerk again. my apoligies (really)

i just dont really think we even possess what we need, so having terry on the floor is one of those things we are going to see. i know he blows assignments from time to time.

we just dont have a team full of young, fast, athletic defenders that can be relied on.

arguably our best defender was on durant like stink on durant at the end of game one and we saw how that turned out.

[Dirkadirkastan]

You probably should have put your entire thought into the thread title instead of just the first half, Murph. That way even people with short attention spans might understand what you were saying a little better.

Yeah, they *should* read your entire post instead of jumping to conclusions about what your point is, but since they don't, we ended up with a bunch of irrelevant responses in general defense of Terry.

[OneLove22]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Again, I know he's needed on this team. I'm talking about a very specific time in games where he needs to be off the court if at all possible (mostly due to timeout situations).

And no, I'm not making Terry the scapegoat. The Mavs may or may not win that game if he just plays solid defense for about 2 seconds on Durant on the inbound instead of fouling him needlessly. They had other opportunities. But to me, the mental mistakes are the most troubling. I've watched this game long enough to know that shots will sometimes fall.. and sometimes they won't. Durant had a shot in game 1 fall that was nothing more than a prayer. It sucks, but it happens. Sometimes shots fall.. sometimes they don't.

If you play intelligent ball and not foul in that situation, it obviously greatly impacts your ability to survive a missed shot or two down the stretch. When you're on the road in an extremely hostile environment, you can't give away points that late in the game when the offensive player did absolutely nothing at all to earn his way to the line. That, in my opinion, is absolutely inexcusable.

If at all possible, get him off the court for key defensive possessions such as this.

OK, sorry. I see what you are saying and I have to agree. I do want JET closing out games though but I have to agree that play was needless. But why was JET even near Durant on that play? Where is Matrix?

We definitely had many bad errors in that game. I believe if we don't make half of those needless first half turnovers we could easily have beat them. In the first two games these turnovers have drove me crazy, even Dirk has had some inexcusable ones. One thing we know is the Thunder do turn the ball over consistently, we should always be looking to win the turnover battle by a significant margin if we are going to beat these guys.

[JeffViggiano]

go Jet!we need your points in the fourth quarter...

[mav4ever]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

You probably should have put your entire thought into the thread title instead of just the first half, Murph. That way even people with short attention spans might understand what you were saying a little better.

Yeah, they *should* read your entire post instead of jumping to conclusions about what your point is, but since they don't, we ended up with a bunch of irrelevant responses in general defense of Terry.

this is a house of learned doctors.

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

How is it knee jerk? Please explain it to me...? It's knee jerk to say that Terry has a tendency to make boneheaded decisions on the defensive side of the ball in crunch time especially in the playoffs? He has a significant history of doing so. It's knee jerk to say that it'd be great to take him off the court in the final possession for your opponent.. or one of the final 2 possessions if you can do so by using your timeouts?

What's knee jerk about that? No one is calling for the guy to be benched for the entirety of crunch time.. just take him out if at all possible on the defensive side of the ball in the last possession or two and insert him back offensively. If you don't have the Timeouts for it, you can't do it. If you do, then get the guy off the floor on the defensive side.

That is all that this thread is about. It is in no way a knee jerk reaction... whether it's making a horrible decision in fouling Durant when the guy was going to have to throw up an extremely difficult shot because the shot clock was running down.. or giving Nash a 3 apparently unaware of what the game situation was.. or the Chalmers fiasco last year.. Terry just doesn't seem to have his head in the game defensively late in some of these playoff games.

Murph is absolutely on point. You have JKidd (a very smart defender), Delonte (a very good, tough defender), and Matrix (an elite defender) to guard the perimeter. There is absolutely no reason to have JET out there if you have the timeouts to get him back in on offense. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior and we all know JET's history. The probability is way too high that he will go brain dead on defense at a critical juncture. Why take the risk? This detracts from JET's overall value for sure, but it does not diminish the fact that has delivered clutch shooting in the fourth quarter. Not a black and white issue.