Playoffs GDT: Round 1, Game 4, 5/5/2012, 6:30 pm Central

[4Dirk1Nowitzki]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

RIP Dirk-JET-Kidd-Trix era Mavs.

seriously, time to make some big moves.

everyone minus dirk can go.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by adonis

Losing in the AAC = fail.

We were playing in Dallas??? Could've sworn I heard the crowd roar whenever OKC dunked the ball...

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

jeff ‏ @unclejeffgreen
“@StephenCurry30: James is killing man…why they keep letting him get to the left tho”(totally agree lmao)

Two NBA players now calling out the Mavs for not making any adjustments on him.

It was amazing. I've never seen anything like that in my life. Just let him do the same move all game.

[mavsjunkie]

You win with talent. You take the talent away, then don't complain when you get swept. If we don't get at least one of the big free agents, and hopefully 2 of them, Dirk may as well retire because trying to mortgage the future is stupid when you don't know the future. Win now.

[Como11]

Originally Posted by adonis

You think so? Reports suggest Deron might stay. We could be due for this exact team next year, thanks to Cuban.

No way this team stays as is. Whether or not Deron comes, this team is exploding. Going to look a lot different next season. Can't wait cause this season was by far the most excruciating season of mav ball I've ever seen.

[jleefilled]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

RIP Dirk-JET-Kidd-Trix era Mavs.

I hope I never see Haywood in a mav uni again.

[tgfan]

Originally Posted by adonis

Where the hell is our center? Carlisle is sending Cuban a message.

Well, we desperately need help at center, but in fairness to RC, none of our centers has been able to stop the layup drill anyway.

[deamon]

Defending Champs 0-4 in 1st round.
PATHETIC.

[Como11]

Originally Posted by Underdog

We were playing in Dallas??? Could've sworn I heard the crowd roar whenever OKC dunked the ball...

That's called Dallas fans selling their tickets and OKC fans buying them.

[turin]

Letting Chandler go was a mistake. It sounded good on paper, but he was more than just his stats.

[tgfan]

Originally Posted by jleefilled

I hope I never see Haywood in a mav uni again.

Roger that. My wife and I both just cringe when Haywood ends up with the ball. He may well be the slowest and most butterfingered center in the league.

[jleefilled]

Originally Posted by deamon

Defending Champs 0-4 in 1st round.
PATHETIC.

At least, the mavs were champs.. I still can hardly believe that. .

Unfortunate ending to the year, on to 2012-13.
Good night, fellas.

[NorwegianMavsFan]

Look, Haywood didn´t play well, but he didn´t lose this game. Not coming up with an answer to Harden lost this game. I hate to say it, but Carlisle didn´t exactly do much to stop Harden.

[adonis]

Originally Posted by turin

We had the first two also.

No. We don't have anything.

We don't have a guy in the middle who would not allow a single layup for the opposition in crunch time. We don't have that defense that forced LeBron, Durant, Westbrook, Kobe to become awful jump shooters. We don't have that toughness when we need it.

[turin]

Originally Posted by NorwegianMavsFan

Look, Haywood didn´t play well, but he didn´t lose this game. Not coming up with an answer to Harden lost this game. I hate to say it, but Carlisle didn´t exactly do much to stop Harden.

I've never coached in the NBA, but trapping him and making him go to his right might have been something to consider.

[jleefilled]

Originally Posted by NorwegianMavsFan

Look, Haywood didn´t play well, but he didn´t lose this game. Not coming up with an answer to Harden lost this game. I hate to say it, but Carlisle didn´t exactly do much to stop Harden.

True

[adonis]

Carlisle putting Dirk at center sent a message.

[Cerberus]

Knowing we won last year, it doesn't hurt as much as it used to.

[MavsFTR]

Originally Posted by dreamofthefaith

Knowing we won last year, it doesn't hurt as much as it used to.

Agreed. Plus it's an asterisk season. I just wish the off season nitty gritty can begin already so that we know what the team will look like next year.

[He15man]

This season sucks but as stated before we won the championship last year so its hard to be mad this season.

I hope Cuban knows what he is doing and that he makes the moves this off-season.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by turin

I've never coached in the NBA, but trapping him and making him go to his right might have been something to consider.

The last play as I recall was right, right past a jkiddo that looked like he was 100, not 40

[Rick41]

Originally Posted by He15man

This season sucks but as stated before we won the championship last year so its hard to be mad this season.

I hope Cuban knows what he is doing and that he makes the moves this off-season.

We've made the playoffs ever year the last 12 years and sold out ever game since 2002 (I think 02). Cuban knows what he's doing, I have faith in him.

This season was an exception and it was fake.

[markus1234]

Originally Posted by Rick41

We've made the playoffs ever year the last 12 years and sold out ever game since 2002 (I think 02). Cuban knows what he's doing,..

...riding Dirk's coattails.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by markus1234

...riding Dirk's coattails.

Right, because every franchise with an elite, franchise player has had this level of success. Oh...they haven't? Oh..only a handful of teams in the history of the NBA have had this level of success? Oh.

I mean, the franchise has just been riding Dirk's coat tails, then where was the success this year? Dirk has been solely responsible for everything, right? Put complete trash around him and he continues to carry this idiotic front office? So why are we even mad at Cubes?

Oh, right, I see. We give Dirk all the credit for the success, and the front office all the blame for the failures. I see.

[markus1234]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Right, because every franchise with an elite, franchise player has had this level of success.

In the last decade there were ~10 elite franchise players.

-Dirk
-Garnett
-Shaq
-Kobe
-Duncan
-Lebron
-Wade
-Durant
-Dwight
-Paul (add Nash, Iverson, Kidd if you want)

Count their winning % (and titles) in the playoffs once their career is over. And count with how many all star teammates they went to war.

If you really think Dirk should be grateful for playing with Avery, Jamison, Josh, Jet, Devin, Toine, old Kidd, Damp, Diop and dozens of scrubs, then fine. But in my opinion Dirk was nothing else than KG in Minessota. And yes, he made the playoffs every year, unlike KG,..... because Dirk is simply the better player.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by markus1234

In the last decade there were ~10 elite franchise players.

-Dirk
-Garnett
-Shaq
-Kobe
-Duncan
-Lebron
-Wade
-Durant
-Dwight
-Paul (add Nash, Iverson, Kidd if you want)

Thanks for making my point. Look at the franchises that these players started with, and tell me which ones have had the success of the Mavs. You have two teams. Two.

If you want to say Miami, fine, but that helps my point even further, because Miami did EXACTLY what Dallas is doing now. They won a championship with a superstar and old players. Then they tore it all down and made the huge free agent splash. That's the blueprint we're trying to follow.

But in my opinion Dirk was nothing else than KG in Minessota. And yes, he made the playoffs every year, unlike KG,..... because Dirk is simply the better player.

So Dirk is so much better than KG that he took equivalent rosters and was a perennial contender while Garnett missed the playoffs and contended one season??? THAT'S your stance? Dude, that is absurd.

Garnett is THE example of what can happen to a franchise that doesn't know how to build around a superstar. Yes, the Mavs failed to land the second superstar, but they did a DAMN fine job of building three different rosters that competed for titles (oh, and won one). And Dirk obviously gets a huge share of the credit for that. But he doesn't get all of it. That's absurd.

[LonghornDub]

Watching jthig argue with this guy is like when I went to Friday Night Fights on ESPN in Austin last Friday. Most of the undercard fights lasted 2 rounds or less, and one of them lasted literally 20 seconds. Mismatches abound.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Watching jthig argue with this guy is like when I went to Friday Night Fights on ESPN in Austin last Friday. Most of the undercard fights lasted 2 rounds or less, and one of them lasted literally 20 seconds. Mismatches abound.

Did you see the Tyson-Berbick fight?

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Did you see the Tyson-Berbick fight?

Bit before my time but I've heard about it. Not sure I've ever seen a video, though.

I must have boxing on the brain right now after the fight last night. Was a good one.

[Bayliss]

So does ANYONE want to tell me how Dirk "threw his teammates under the bus" with his post game press conference?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by jthig32

If you want to say Miami, fine, but that helps my point even further, because Miami did EXACTLY what Dallas is doing now. They won a championship with a superstar and old players. Then they tore it all down and made the huge free agent splash. That's the blueprint we're trying to follow.

Yeah, everyone seems to forget that the last team who won the Finals and got swept in the first round the following year was the Heat . . . and look where they are now.

Nobody is going to remember this sh!tty, lockout-shortened season (the most forgivable kind of season to throw away) when we get this team back on track with a big free agent signing or two over the next couple years. Winning fixes everything.

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by turin

I've never coached in the NBA, but trapping him and making him go to his right might have been something to consider.

If it was that easy, he wouldn't be 6th man of the year. Harden, IMO, is probably the Thunder 2nd best player and is there best play maker as well. He is a an upgraded version Manu, flopping included as well.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

If it was that easy, he wouldn't be 6th man of the year. Harden, IMO, is probably the Thunder 2nd best player and is there best play maker as well. He is a an upgraded version Manu, flopping included as well.

It's absolutely not easy, but Rick still needed to mix it up more, and the players needed to cheat to his left more.

It's quite possible the Mavs still lose no matter what they do, but they were definitely slow to adjust.

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

It's absolutely not easy, but Rick still needed to mix it up more, and the players needed to cheat to his left more.

It's quite possible the Mavs still lose no matter what they do, but they were definitely slow to adjust.

He would have just passed it to Fisher who seems to only want to score against the Mavs. It was just that type of year for the team.

I will say the Mavs getting the OKC frontcourt in foul trouble actually hurt more than it helped. It caused them to go small which in turn put more speed out on the floor.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

He would have just passed it to Fisher who seems to only want to score against the Mavs. It was just that type of year for the team.

Again, you absolutely have to take that chance. However high it is, it's still lower than the chance that Harden will again beat his defender off the dribble from the top of the key. That's a virtual certainty after what had happened the first 3.5 games.

[Bayliss]

So what the hell is CreepingDeath talking about when he said Dirk threw his teammates under the bus?