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john cage bubblegum · 06-05-2011, 10:00 PM

ugggghhhh.

losing by 2 with dirk missing a fadeaway that he makes almost every time in the 4th quarter hurts so bad. certainly the loss isn't on him, but man.

irishock · 06-05-2011, 10:01 PM

Fuck Barea

This guy deserves absolutely no minutes. Chucker, plays with no heart, selfish dude, bad court vision.

Seriously, has there ever been a guy that stops the offense so dramatically, whenever he's on the court, the offense is consisted of him trying to find himself a good look, and not others. He'll take a chucked up shot and someone like Chandler will bail him out by drawing a loose ball foul. This guy has no patience with Dirk in the post, often clapping his hands for the ball when Dirk hasnt even made his move yet.

I don't want to see this guy play more than 1 second on tuesday.

WraithXx · 06-05-2011, 10:02 PM

being a fan of Dallas sports teams, you quickly (or slowly) come to realize that you shouldn't ever invest in anyone other than family and friends for a source of happiness because you'll be let down in the most a**-pounding of ways, time and time again.

disregard if you have family or friends on Dallas sports teams. lulz.

Dan1 · 06-05-2011, 10:03 PM

I never thought i would say that but we needed more Stevenson.

...

Whats Haywood status for game 4?

Rick41 · 06-05-2011, 10:04 PM

Whatever.

Onto Tuesday.

Murphy3 · 06-05-2011, 10:06 PM

xrobx, I'll be honest..part of me doesn't want to watch anymore.. That's just the way it is when you suffer through a heart wrenching loss such as this. However, you'll be glad that you watched when the Mavs win game 4 to even the series.

Thomas86 · 06-05-2011, 10:06 PM

I think Haywood was missed in this game and I really hope he plays the next game.

I'm not giving up on the Mavs yet and would it kill RC to give Brewer a chance to see what he can do vs. the Heat because Peja hasn't be right since the Lakers series.

GhostFace · 06-05-2011, 10:08 PM

First, this isn't Dirk's fault. The German did more then enough, all he asked for was a little help from his teammates. We cannot afford to turn the ball over so much, it's just unreal. When we turn the ball over they destroy us at the other end of the court because lets face it, we're not athletic as they are. Our beloved Mav's are a veteran team and we need to show that with ball handling or else we are going to lose, plain and simple. 2nd, we NEED someone else to step besides Dirk. Peja has been fucking awful this series and Terry is on and off. JJ needs to get his head straight and learn to pass and set his teammates up. If he drives, he CANNOT afford to miss at all or else no one will take him seriously when he drives.

I was counting on JJ being the xfactor for us since he can draw the defense to him but since he is not hitting his shots he becomes worthless.

Bottom line imo.. our bench needs to step the fuck up.

CadBane · 06-05-2011, 10:08 PM

Since some people don't like new threads...

Reasons we lost:

1. The Heat continue to shoot out of their ass from three.

Chalmers: 4-6 (now 8-18 on the series) 35% beforehand for the playoffs

Wade: 2-4 (now 6-15 on the series) 20% beforehand for the playoffs

It's nothing short of bullshit luck, and I doubt it changes.

2. JJB. 2-8, 4 turnovers, yet somehow our clueless excuse of a "coach" plays him 19 minutes. How many wide open threes does he need to miss? How many times does he have to fail to get the ball to Dirk? How many times does he have to turn it over? How many times do guys have to shoot right over him? We win this game if that POS could hit just one WIDE OPEN shot.

3. Peja. I'm beyond done with him. I don't want to see that worthless POS play one more minute. It's one thing if he misses shots. It's another to play with ZERO effort. That's what he did. He demonstrated ZERO effort on defense and for a stretch it the 2nd half it KILLED us. He gave a WIDE OPEN three because his lazy ass didn't rotate. Guys were busting their ass on D...except for him.

4. Coach Dumbass. Overplaying JJB yet again. This POS has been a liability ALL series, yet you play him almost half the 4th? You go to him early in the third? Then, he waited WAY too late to start trapping Wade in the 4th. It was clear Wade was killing us, make someone else beat you.

5. Once again, it's Dirk and scrubs. Sad story of Dirk's life. There's just too many times where he gets NO help whatsoever. None. Even with constant double teams, 34 points. Next highest scorer, 15.

11-21. +12.

Rest of team, 17-69. That's 25% folks. 25%. Way to step up, boys.

Sad that in a game Dirk played so fantastically, his teammates let him down so hard. That's probably the ring right there. Pisses me off he and Kidd won't get a ring because of bitches like Peja and JJB.

FINtastic · 06-05-2011, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

2. JJB. 2-8, 4 turnovers, yet somehow our clueless excuse of a "coach" plays him 19 minutes. How many wide open threes does he need to miss? How many times does he have to fail to get the ball to Dirk? How many times does he have to turn it over? How many times do guys have to shoot right over him? We win this game if that POS could hit just one WIDE OPEN shot.

The formula for Barea's minutes needs to be (48 minutes) - (Kidd's Minutes). Short of overtime, this should never be strayed from. It's beyond me why you would keep him on the court when Kidd is in the game.

CadBane · 06-05-2011, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

The formula for Barea's minutes needs to be (48 minutes) - (Kidd's Minutes). Short of overtime, this should never be strayed from. It's beyond me why you would keep him on the court when Kidd is in the game.

Exactly. Which should mean 8 or 9 minutes. Ten, MAX. Not 19. Those extra 9 minutes are HUGE.

Murphy3 · 06-05-2011, 10:08 PM

xrobx, regardless of what whether or not what you say is true (and I do not doubt you), it is unquestionably not ok for you to take that type of abuse for what you said in this post game thread. I do apologize for the behavior of some.

dirno2000 · 06-05-2011, 10:10 PM

The way the game was going early in the 4th I would have liked to see Kidd come back about a minute in. It's the finals and J.J. is awful. Would stretching him to 40 kill him? Rick knows his players better then I do so maybe 36 is the limit but it was tough to see the game get pissed away in the first 5 minutes of the quarter.

MaverickOutlaw · 06-05-2011, 10:11 PM

Next time I should get to start the GDT for a Mavs title.

MaverickOutlaw · 06-05-2011, 10:11 PM

Mario half court shot was over and back.

Five-ofan · 06-05-2011, 10:11 PM

Jjb and peja are losing this series. If peja isnt a dnp coaches decision in game 4, excluding situational subs like cardinal tonight, its a mistake.

Murphy3 · 06-05-2011, 10:13 PM

I don't think the Mavs got all the calls by any stretch of the imagination.. there were some questionable calls that went both ways. The push in the back that Kidd was called for on Wade was a call in which a ref should be fined or fired. There were missed calls both ways. Overall, I just don't have a huge problem with the way the game was officiated.

MavsFanSinceDayOne · 06-05-2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I don't think the Mavs got all the calls by any stretch of the imagination.. there were some questionable calls that went both ways. The push in the back that Kidd was called for on Wade was a call in which a ref should be fined or fired. There were missed calls both ways. Overall, I just don't have a huge problem with the way the game was officiated.

I think you are being a bit too kind to the refs in this game. I honestly believe the Heat got at least twice as many questionable calls go their way than the Mavs. For some reason people here are focusing on the few calls the Mavs got in their favor and forgetting all the calls the Heat received in THEIR favor!

OneLove22 · 06-05-2011, 10:16 PM

Brewer needs to play over Peja....

Peja -11 that game wtf. Dude just gets burned on D he's too old for this Miami team.

mavs777 · 06-05-2011, 10:16 PM

Mahimni's pick and roll defense btw is terrible

FINtastic · 06-05-2011, 10:23 PM

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Mahimni's pick and roll defense btw is terrible

He's really just bad at defense. When you watch the difference between between him in Chandler, Chandler steps in cuts off drives fairly early lots of time. Mahinmi doesn't even appear in the picture until the slasher gets to the rim, and by that time he often commits a foul because he was so badly out of position and late to the play. He has way too much wasted motion on defense.

Honestly, I thought halfway through the season that he might just be better off as a 4. The more and more I see, the more convinced I am that he's really far off from getting it defensively to be a center.

And this is just a horrible defensive matchup to depend on him.

LonghornDub · 06-05-2011, 10:17 PM

Count me as another who doesn't understand quite why we seem to be limiting Kidd's minutes to 36 in the Finals. There's nothing after this. It's not gonna tire him out for next year (if he even is back next year) if he plays 40 or 42 instead of 36.

Unless those extra few minutes are going to kill his productivity that much, I see no reason to keep him at 36.

Murphy3 · 06-05-2011, 10:19 PM

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Count me as another who doesn't understand quite why we seem to be limiting Kidd's minutes to 36 in the Finals. There's nothing after this. It's not gonna tire him out for next year (if he even is back next year) if he plays 40 or 42 instead of 36.

Unless those extra few minutes are going to kill his productivity that much, I see no reason to keep him at 36.

In all honesty, I think you try and make things a little easier offensively on Dirk.. They're just trying to find someone that can step up and help out. JJB should have a good offensive series against this team, but he's not finishing at the rim and not hitting enough open jumpers. Carlisle is going with the options that he sees as best because the team really is a bit short handed offensively. When it doesn't work, it looks bad. If Barea would have hit a wide open layup and one more of his wide open threes, I suppose things would have worked out better. But again, he's one of the only guys that can get to the rim besides Dirk.

LonghornDub · 06-05-2011, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

In all honesty, I think you try and make things a little easier offensively on Dirk.. They're just trying to find someone that can step up and help out. JJB should have a good offensive series against this team, but he's not finishing at the rim and not hitting enough open jumpers. Carlisle is going with the options that he sees as best because the team really is a bit short handed offensively. When it doesn't work, it looks bad. If Barea would have hit a wide open layup and one more of his wide open threes, I suppose things would have worked out better. But again, he's one of the only guys that can get to the rim besides Dirk.

I'm actually more concerned about Kidd NOT being on the court than JJB being on the court. I didn't like JJB tonight, but I don't mind that Rick tries him. He does something nobody else really can on the team.

But this team just doesn't play the same with Kidd out there. I know he can't D up Wade for 40 minutes, but I feel like 40 minutes of court time isn't unreasonable.

Murphy3 · 06-05-2011, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I'm actually more concerned about Kidd NOT being on the court than JJB being on the court. I didn't like JJB tonight, but I don't mind that Rick tries him. He does something nobody else really can on the team.

But this team just doesn't play the same with Kidd out there. I know he can't D up Wade for 40 minutes, but I feel like 40 minutes of court time isn't unreasonable.

Kidd has been ok offensively, but HE has even looked a little shell shocked at times with careless turnovers.

Sometimes there just isn't a good answer.

LonghornDub · 06-05-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Kidd has been ok offensively, but HE has even looked a little shell shocked at times with careless turnovers.

Sometimes there just isn't a good answer.

Well, I don't know about "good" in the absolute sense, but there's always a best answer in the relative sense. I think the best answer is to play him a bit more, rather than just 36.

Murphy3 · 06-05-2011, 10:17 PM

I think they continue to go with Peja because the Mavs are a bit desperate for someone to step up and do something offensively. I can't blame Carlisle for that. The mavs are really under-manned offensively without Butler.

MaverickOutlaw · 06-05-2011, 10:18 PM

Kidd and Dirk need to play all 48 minutes.

Fragism · 06-05-2011, 10:19 PM

I'd rather see Dominique Jones on the court over Peja Stojakovic.

Yes I'm over reacting.

saclare · 06-05-2011, 10:19 PM

To be honest, I think JJB could make a good asset for us this series. If they can sit him down and show him the situations in a tape session on what he should have done versus what he does, then he could start getting the ball to an open Dirk, instead of to MArion for a 3. That's one example but there were a few tonight where the possession was lost to poor decisions by JJB.

I do think though that his layups and shots will fall and that with improved decisions can help this team.

However, count me in the group for Peja seeing only situational substitutions. I like him and what he has brought to the Mavs and what he has meant to this playoff run. But, the match up with the Heat is a complete negative for Peja and his minutes could be going to Stevenson or Brewer for more productivity. Unless he is hitting his shots, he should not be in.

Another note, Beaubois is not the Mavs answer. He has been out of the mix for so long now and is not ready for this stage.

GhostFace · 06-05-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

To be honest, I think JJB could make a good asset for us this series. If they can sit him down and show him the situations in a tape session on what he should have done versus what he does, then he could start getting the ball to an open Dirk, instead of to MArion for a 3. That's one example but there were a few tonight where the possession was lost to poor decisions by JJB.

I do think though that his layups and shots will fall and that with improved decisions can help this team.

However, count me in the group for Peja seeing only situational substitutions. I like him and what he has brought to the Mavs and what he has meant to this playoff run. But, the match up with the Heat is a complete negative for Peja and his minutes could be going to Stevenson or Brewer for more productivity. Unless he is hitting his shots, he should not be in.

Another note, Beaubois is not the Mavs answer. He has been out of the mix for so long now and is not ready for this stage.

I agree with you. I seriously thought JJB would step up in this series, but he has been horrible and has only gotten worse with the extra minutes given to him. As for Peja, I'm shocked and pissed. I really thought after finally making it to the finals he would step up. Every time the camera is on Peja, he looks down and out on the bench. Get some fucking energy dude, holy shit.

twelli · 06-05-2011, 10:19 PM

The worst thing about this loss is two days hearing about the greatness of Wade.

MavsFanSinceDayOne · 06-05-2011, 10:25 PM

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The worst thing about this loss is two days hearing about the greatness of Wade.

As I mentioned in the game day thread, it is a little easier for me to accept Wade actually making a lot of shots versus that of the refs unjustly sending him to the free throw line a millions times as they did back in 2006. I'm not saying I like it, but it is easier for me to accept.

xrobx · 06-05-2011, 10:20 PM

If butler is going to make a miracle comeback, now is the time. There is no way he could possibly play any worse than peja.

Five-ofan · 06-05-2011, 10:20 PM

The problem we have at this point is that we only have 4 players who deserve to be on the court(5 if you count stevenson). Tough to not play someone that doesnt deserve to be on the court if thats the case

nowhereman · 06-05-2011, 10:20 PM

I'd rather play 4 on 5 over having Peja on the floor.

And I'm not overreacting. The guy has been THAT miserable.

Dan1 · 06-05-2011, 10:27 PM

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I'd rather play 4 on 5 over having Peja on the floor.

And I'm not overreacting. The guy has been THAT miserable.

how can he be THAT miserable when he plays 10 min combined in 2 games?

Bayliss · 06-05-2011, 10:21 PM

But is Corey Brewer really that much worse offensively than Peja?

And defensively, Brewer will be able to play onn the perimeter and rebound better.

Murphy3 · 06-05-2011, 10:23 PM

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But is Corey Brewer really that much worse offensively than Peja?

And defensively, Brewer will be able to play onn the perimeter and rebound better.

Well, in retrospect, no.... However, I still don't have a problem with him getting some playing time going forward. The Mavs actually need the guy to knock down an open three from time to time. I'm not opposed to Brewer, but I do not blame Carlisle for making the choice to give Peja a little PT.

tgfan · 06-05-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

But is Corey Brewer really that much worse offensively than Peja?

And defensively, Brewer will be able to play onn the perimeter and rebound better.

We are playing some of the most athletic players in the league(in Wade, Lebron, Bosh, Haslem), and RC inserts the most unathletic player, in Peja, he could choose.

I have been calling for Brewer to get some minutes since the start of the series.