DOJ...what's wrong with showing proof?

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by 92bDad

I tend to disagree, I believe that the process is providing for a HUGE Fraudulant voter turnout and I believe this needs to be corrected.

there have been relatively few cases of fraud shown to exist.

But I also believe that ALL eligible voters should have an equal opportunity to cast their vote.

Thus, in the case of the voter with a legitament mobility challenge, I believe we can have resources to identify these individuals and then set up resources to assist them with getting registered. In extreme cases, perhaps having a Police officer show up at the individuals residence to take a digital picture and submit the registration with the local registration affiliate. Ultimately sending them a Voter ID Card.

Do you see the value in setting up a system that has a stronger accountability regarding proof of citizenship in order to register to vote?

What's the harm in revamping the current system?

any requirement that imposes barriers to a citizen voting is a detriment and needs to avoided. we should make it as easy as we can for all citizens to be able to vote. realistically, people are for the most part lazy and do not exercise this right as they should. it's really embarrassing to see the voter turnout in the single digits for some elections.

requiring people to obtain an id only provides a vehicle to deny targeted groups the ability to vote.

[92bDad]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

there have been relatively few cases of fraud shown to exist.



any requirement that imposes barriers to a citizen voting is a detriment and needs to avoided. we should make it as easy as we can for all citizens to be able to vote. realistically, people are for the most part lazy and do not exercise this right as they should. it's really embarrassing to see the voter turnout in the single digits for some elections.

requiring people to obtain an id only provides a vehicle to deny targeted groups the ability to vote.

We see reports of frauds...dont' ask me for a link, I don't have one at this time. Of recent we are hearing numerous cases against one specific organization. From what I gather these are dominated by "Registration Fraud" not specific Voter Fraud, which indeed are two separate issues. But the slope from one to the other is not that far. Thus the perception is clearly there and there is a level of MIS-trust in the system as it is today.

What I don't understand is how can a system that requires proof of citizenship deny those eligible to vote...how does it keep them from voting?

As for your point about people too lazy...I have no empathy for them. I can honestly say that I used to be one of those people. Not only lazy, but in many cases people are not aware of what they need to do to register, so they simply don't find out and never actually register.

Early in my voting eligibility days, I didn't bother to register nor vote...that was my bad as well as my fault. The opportunity was there and I chose not to participate. Honestly, at the time, I had no CLUE what politics meant and actually had some "Community" group found me, I would have registered and most likely voted "Democrat" ... as I've learned more and become more educated on issues, I feel more qualified to vote and now actually cast my vote on a regular basis...as you know my vote is "Republican"...all though I wish I could remove the "R" or "D" tag and vote for individuals who stand by genuine Conservative values.

Anyway, I strongly support a system that would increase the integrity of the Voter Registration and ultimately voter system.

If people CHOOSE not to participate, then the choice is on them. Again, those with a legit need, we can provide transportation...we have plenty of resources.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by 92bDad

We see reports of unicorns...dont' ask me for a link, I don't have one at this time..

enjoy

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by 92bDad

We see reports of frauds...dont' ask me for a link, I don't have one at this time. Of recent we are hearing numerous cases against one specific organization. From what I gather these are dominated by "Registration Fraud" not specific Voter Fraud, which indeed are two separate issues. But the slope from one to the other is not that far. Thus the perception is clearly there and there is a level of MIS-trust in the system as it is today.

What I don't understand is how can a system that requires proof of citizenship deny those eligible to vote...how does it keep them from voting?

As for your point about people too lazy...I have no empathy for them. I can honestly say that I used to be one of those people. Not only lazy, but in many cases people are not aware of what they need to do to register, so they simply don't find out and never actually register.

Early in my voting eligibility days, I didn't bother to register nor vote...that was my bad as well as my fault. The opportunity was there and I chose not to participate. Honestly, at the time, I had no CLUE what politics meant and actually had some "Community" group found me, I would have registered and most likely voted "Democrat" ... as I've learned more and become more educated on issues, I feel more qualified to vote and now actually cast my vote on a regular basis...as you know my vote is "Republican"...all though I wish I could remove the "R" or "D" tag and vote for individuals who stand by genuine Conservative values.

Anyway, I strongly support a system that would increase the integrity of the Voter Registration and ultimately voter system.

If people CHOOSE not to participate, then the choice is on them. Again, those with a legit need, we can provide transportation...we have plenty of resources.

indeed there are two different issues that you are mixing together. the instances of registraion fraud occurs due to the efforts to register as many potential voters as possible and the manner in which the registars have been compensated. when these registars are paid per registration the potential for fraud increases.

the instances of actual voter fraud are few and far between. the government officials review the registrations to make certain the voter is eligible- hence the stories about the above mentioned fraud, which were found and removed.

my view is if the system isn't broken there is no need to fix it. in this case the election day voting process is not broken, there has not been problems with ineligible voters allowed to vote, therefore there is no need to place burdens on the voters that might get in the way of their casting a ballot.

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

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the instances of actual voter fraud are few and far between. ... . in this case the election day voting process is not broken, there has not been problems with ineligible voters allowed to vote, ....

How do you know?

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

How do you know?

do you have any indication that there is fraud ongoing in elections?

the numbers do not bear it out, nor are there instances of fraud being uncovered to lead one to conclude there is any degree of occurance.

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

do you have any indication that there is fraud ongoing in elections?
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no. But I'm not making any statement about whether there is or is not fraud.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

no. But I'm not making any statement about whether there is or is not fraud.

to be accurate, my statements were that "there have been relatively few cases of fraud shown to exist." and "the instances of actual voter fraud are few and far between".

do you have information to the contrary?