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saclare · 12-09-2016, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Strong in theory. Possible? I'm not sure that Anderson/Powell gets us Noel.

I was going off the notion that they are the only player assets that the 76ers would be interested in. Picks could also be used but the Mavs need all the picks they can get. Perhaps package a pick gained via trade of other veterans.

EricaLubarsky · 12-09-2016, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

I was going off the notion that they are the only player assets that the 76ers would be interested in. Picks could also be used but the Mavs need all the picks they can get. Perhaps package a pick gained via trade of other veterans.

Yeah if we can get a late-first or high second for Bogut it might work. Honestly hopeful that we can move Bogut for a pick whether we keep the pick or use it in a deal.

I don't think we'll be able to move Williams. He's on a one-year deal to be in his hometown. He also has to approve any trade. If we wanted to move him, he'd probably just refuse or he'd retire.

If Dirk retires we'll be sitting at 59mill with a projected cap of 102 mill. That'd be about 43.5mill in space

BPo001 · 12-09-2016, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Yeah if we can get a late-first or high second for Bogut it might work. Honestly hopeful that we can move Bogut for a pick whether we keep the pick or use it in a deal.

I don't think we'll be able to move Williams. He's on a one-year deal to be in his hometown. He also has to approve any trade. If we wanted to move him, he'd probably just refuse or he'd retire.

If Dirk retires we'll be sitting at 59mill with a projected cap of 102 mill. That'd be about 43.5mill in space

I think if a contending team called needing a vet PG for their playoff push Deron might be willing to go. I'm not sure he nets more than a 2nd rounder, but I'd take that.

rimrocker · 12-12-2016, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I don't think we'll be able to move Williams. He's on a one-year deal to be in his hometown. He also has to approve any trade. If we wanted to move him, he'd probably just refuse or he'd retire.

I wonder if he would accept a trade to have a legit chance at a ring. If Cleveland would make a call to the Mavs I'd have to think Deron would have interest in relocating for a few months.

EricaLubarsky · 06-30-2017, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Strong in theory. Possible? I'm not sure that Anderson/Powell gets us Noel.

Man, I was really wrong about this one. Anderson and Powell didn't, but Anderson and two second rounders did.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-09-2016, 06:03 PM

Surprised to see Ivan Rabb falling...down to 15 on draft.net. He needs to put on weight, but he is so good around the rim. Elite even. He would be an absolute steal if he actually fell that low, but I still think he'll be top 10.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-17-2016, 02:58 PM

Ball is still the real wild card of the top 5. Will he be the next Kidd or Ricky Rubio? Because those two players are very different. His jump shot is very weird and ball handling sometimes looks average.

He has been making off the dribble long range threes frequently recently so that is a good sign. But man, that jump shot is weird looking.

Bryan_Wilson · 12-17-2016, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Ball is still the real wild card of the top 5. Will he be the next Kidd or Ricky Rubio? Because those two players are very different. His jump shot is very weird and ball handling sometimes looks average.

He has been making off the dribble long range threes frequently recently so that is a good sign. But man, that jump shot is weird looking.

I feel exactly the same way.

Underdog · 12-17-2016, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Ball is still the real wild card of the top 5. Will he be the next Kidd or Ricky Rubio? Because those two players are very different. His jump shot is very weird and ball handling sometimes looks average.

He has been making off the dribble long range threes frequently recently so that is a good sign. But man, that jump shot is weird looking.

Not as ugly as Marion's shot, but Ball does have that "shoot from the hip" wind up when he goes into his shooting motion... I can see him getting blocked A LOT in the NBA -- almost the anti-Dirk when it comes to his mechanics.

Budapest Maverick · 12-17-2016, 06:04 PM

I'm still taking Fultz, he is the best prospect imo, his team simply sucks. Markkanen is having a good season too, he has a chance to follow in Kristaps' footsteps and be very good from day one. Not nearly as of a high ceiling prospect like KP6, but a very good player nonetheless. If we start to win games or get really unlucky in the lottery, I wouldn't mind taking him around 7-8-9.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-17-2016, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Not as ugly as Marion's shot, but Ball does have that "shoot from the hip" wind up when he goes into his shooting motion... I can see him getting blocked A LOT in the NBA -- almost the anti-Dirk when it comes to his mechanics.

And the question is do you reinvent the wheel with his shot or let him keep doing it? It's a huge risk on an important draft.

Budapest Maverick · 12-18-2016, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

And the question is do you reinvent the wheel with his shot or let him keep doing it? It's a huge risk on an important draft.

I would probably let him keep it. Marion had an elite three point shooting season, as ridiculous as this may sound. Something like 39% on more than 200 makes, I think. Nope, looked it up, just 140 makes on 39%, and overall he was an inconsistent shooter. Well, flipper. Problem is, Marion's release was actually quick, whereas Ball's is not only low, but seems to be slow as well. That's a recipe for disaster, though the funny thing is, he makes them at an amazing clip right now.

I don't know, the sample size is just too small, I would make him shoot threes during the workout almost exlusively. Shoot it from movement, set shots, put defenders on him, show me everything. If he can impress, you draft him if you think he is the best player otherwise.

Melonhead · 12-18-2016, 12:35 PM

Love watching Ball. He sees the entire floor so well. Still unsure out of him and Fultz

Thebo · 12-17-2016, 06:11 PM

It is good that other guards are stepping up. Gives Mavs better chance of landing Fultz if they end up not having number 1 pick. I was first to mention Markkanen on this board and really see him somewhat resembling Dirk. I do not mean talent, just doing similar things and would fit well into the system Rick has been running so far.

Unfortunately, Markkanen seems to have settled in to playing in the States. Was hoping that he has longer adjustment period and would be projected to go around 20th pick, so Mavs could perhaps find a way for late 1st round pick also.

In the end, Mavs have to go with need and talent, that would be a guy like Fultz. Markkanen could actually hurt Mavs because he is not good enough for defensive efforts and it is still unclear where Barnes ends up playing the most. I would not want Markkanen on center position any more than Dirk.

EricaLubarsky · 12-17-2016, 06:49 PM

Ball gives me that Kendall Marshall vibe. That offense is going to be hurt bad by NBA defenses.

mac222b · 12-18-2016, 12:00 AM

Hope we get #1 and take Josh Jackson. Beginnings of a scary long athletic frontline. Would lack spacing until he improves his shot. Having Wes and a PG than can shoot would help.

EricaLubarsky · 12-20-2016, 11:06 AM

Fultz isn't perfect, but he's the most complementary player to Matthews and Barnes. Dude can create crazy anarchy both inside and out. He can hit our center on the PnR. He can kick it out to Matthews (which is where Matthews' strength is). He can open things up for Barnes.

I'm not sold that Ball can do that at the next level.

tap2390 · 12-20-2016, 01:15 PM

My dream:

Fultz / Barea / Harris
Wes / Curry
Barnes / Anderson
Ibaka / Dirk / Powell
Bogut? / Salah / Hammons

Thebo · 12-20-2016, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Fultz isn't perfect, but he's the most complementary player to Matthews and Barnes. Dude can create crazy anarchy both inside and out. He can hit our center on the PnR. He can kick it out to Matthews (which is where Matthews' strength is). He can open things up for Barnes.

I'm not sold that Ball can do that at the next level.

This is exactly why I prefer Fultz and do not want to see Wes traded. Fultz fits both the biggest talent and team need area. You can rarely get someone who is talented and fits your team's need.

Right now Fultz would fit in great and complement Wes and Barnes. Put Ibaka in the mix and you already have a decent team. Perhaps adding Noel for cheap also.

sefant77 · 12-20-2016, 09:48 PM

Bogut is playing in Golden State next season

EricaLubarsky · 12-20-2016, 10:36 PM

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Bogut is playing in Golden State next season

??

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-21-2016, 03:51 PM

Too bad we don't have two first round picks since there are so many good players. Seriously, it could stretch up to 20 good players depending on how a lot of the freshmen develop.

One guy I'm keeping an eye on is Edrice "Bam" Adebayo. He is like a better offensive Bismack Buyombo. Also seems to get to the line at a decent rate and is fairly good at free throws for a big.

EricaLubarsky · 12-21-2016, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Too bad we don't have two first round picks since there are so many good players. Seriously, it could stretch up to 20 good players depending on how a lot of the freshmen develop.

One guy I'm keeping an eye on is Edrice "Bam" Adebayo. He is like a better offensive Bismack Buyombo. Also seems to get to the line at a decent rate and is fairly good at free throws for a big.

I think there's a decent chance he could fall to 15-25 and a pick like that could be acquired for Bogut and other young talent (Anderson, Curry, etc.)

rimrocker · 12-21-2016, 05:44 PM

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I think there's a decent chance he could fall to 15-25 and a pick like that could be acquired for Bogut and other young talent (Anderson, Curry, etc.)

I think DFS and Brussino make Anderson very expendable which would make him a decent TDL or draft day piece to help acquire a late round pick.
Then package that pick with our 2nd to move up to grab a guy like Adebayo or another center if a decent one is available.

I think we should keep Curry though because he can become a great scorer off the bench and seems to still have some upside. I can see him being part of the long-term plan in the JET/VC/NVE role.

If we can address PG and Center in the first round we're in good shape going into next season. I'd be happy with Fultz or Ball. Fultz can fill up the stats but Ball has the potential to be the best play-making PG in the league early in his career which is one of the most critical pieces to have in a rebuild process.

EricaLubarsky · 12-22-2016, 05:11 PM

GMs Calling 2017 NBA Draft 'Strongest In A Decade'
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...st-In-A-Decade

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he 2017 NBA Draft will be the "strongest in a decade", according to multiple NBA scouts and general managers. Chad Ford projects 10-15 potential All-Stars in the class, headlined by Markelle Fultz.

Ford elevated Fultz up from No. 3 in his previous big board to No. 1, while Lonzo Ball jumped from No. 6 to No. 2.

Josh Jackson fell from No. 1 to No. 3 with Malik Monk and Dennis Smith rounding out the top-5. Monk was ranked No. 15 in the previous big board.

1. Markelle Fultz
2. Lonzo Ball
3. Josh Jackson
4. Malik Monk
5. Dennis Smith
6. Jayson Tatum
7. Harry Giles
8. Jonathan Isaac
9. De'Aaron Fox
10. Miles Bridges
11. Lauri Markkanen
12. Frank Ntilikina
13. OG Anunoby
14. T.J. Leaf
15. Robert Williams
16. Ivan Rabb
17. Terrance Ferguson
18. Edrice Adebayo
19. Jarrett Allen
20. Marques Bolden

Melonhead · 12-23-2016, 05:49 AM

Ill be honest I dont get the hype for Josh Jackson. Ive seen him play three times now, and just last night I got to see him live at the KU at UNLV. Just not impressive, and especially when youre comparing him to Fultz/Ball/Smith etc.

Bryan_Wilson · 12-23-2016, 11:04 AM

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Ill be honest I dont get the hype for Josh Jackson. Ive seen him play three times now, and just last night I got to see him live at the KU at UNLV. Just not impressive, and especially when youre comparing him to Fultz/Ball/Smith etc.

A wing shooting 50% on ft's worries me. Not saying he won't get better but that can't be very common among elite level wing prospects.

Budapest Maverick · 12-24-2016, 06:20 PM

I just hope that if we end up picking around 8-10th, we don't go for need or BPA, but simply choose the player with the highest upside. We don't need other role players, we have plenty.

Bryan_Wilson · 12-24-2016, 06:46 PM

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I just hope that if we end up picking around 8-10th, we don't go for need or BPA, but simply choose the player with the highest upside. We don't need other role players, we have plenty.

I don't want them to single out one attribute like the highest upside. I just want them to draft who they think is going to be the best player for us, not necessarily best player available but the best player for us. If you draft for need or highest upside you are going to get in trouble as a franchise. Going crazy over upside is how you overlook the flaws of guys like Milicic and Kwame Brown.

rimrocker · 12-24-2016, 11:39 PM

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I don't want them to single out one attribute like the highest upside. I just want them to draft who they think is going to be the best player for us, not necessarily best player available but the best player for us. If you draft for need or highest upside you are going to get in trouble as a franchise. Going crazy over upside is how you overlook the flaws of guys like Milicic and Kwame Brown.

With Barnes, DFS, Anderson and Brussino all playing the same position and under 25, I don't see the Mavs drafting Jackson or any other SF unless there are several trades before now and then.

Budapest Maverick · 12-25-2016, 04:22 PM

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Going crazy over upside is how you overlook the flaws of guys like Milicic and Kwame Brown.

And it's also how you miss players like Giannis, Leonard or Gobert. Normally I would agree, but since we don't have a franchise player, I think you take the guy who has a chance to become that player, either based on their physical tools or skills. There are usually high ceiling prospects around 7-8-9th, certainly in next year's draft.

I don't think we need more role players at this point, we need to hit the lottery imo. I said it so many times, you can't win in this league without a franchise player. We need to draft or sign that player, preferably soon.

BPo001 · 12-28-2016, 10:01 PM

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18367498&sf48629695=1

I think Dennis Smith's knee is ok. Nasty throwdown.

tap2390 · 12-28-2016, 11:24 PM

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http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18367498&sf48629695=1

I think Dennis Smith's knee is ok. Nasty throwdown.

I think the more important question is who the hell is that football player on NC State's bench?! O____o

http://gopack.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3924&path=mbball

Underdog · 12-29-2016, 01:01 AM

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http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18367498&sf48629695=1

I think Dennis Smith's knee is ok. Nasty throwdown.

That's what he does.

Bryan_Wilson · 12-29-2016, 01:48 AM

That explosion is something I've really only seen from pre injury rose and RWB.

Bryan_Wilson · 12-29-2016, 02:00 AM

I really want more than 1 pick in this draft. I know it will be difficult but gosh... The whole lotto just looks so good!

hayth.james.g · 12-29-2016, 07:48 AM

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I really want more than 1 pick in this draft. I know it will be difficult but gosh... The whole lotto just looks so good!

Absolutely. Just another reason we need to trade assets and commit to putting ourselves in the best position to lose. I don't expect the players to try NOT to win, but we can surely help them by trading D Will and Bogut.

There are 3 PGs in this draft that can change our franchise. Fultz is clearly number 1 imo, followed by Ball and Smith jr. If we walk away from this draft with a developmental project who sees no more than 20 -24 minutes a game next year it will be a complete miss.

rimrocker · 12-29-2016, 06:13 PM

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I really want more than 1 pick in this draft. I know it will be difficult but gosh... The whole lotto just looks so good!

Some combination of our 2nd round pick, Bogut, DWill, Mejri, JJ, or Harris should somehow net us another pick in one way or another.

I'd love to see us get lucky and move Bogut and DWill to contenders to pick up a couple late round picks and then package one or both of them with our 2nd rounder on draft day to get a pick in the mid-teens. Seems there could easily be long-term starter quality material that deep in this draft.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-29-2016, 07:24 PM

It's hilarious that the next Dirk comparison Isaiah Hartenstein is projected in the 15-25 range. Gonna be a ridiculous draft.

Thebo · 12-29-2016, 07:42 PM

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It's hilarious that the next Dirk comparison Isaiah Hartenstein is projected in the 15-25 range. Gonna be a ridiculous draft.

That comparison was made in July of '15. He has not done anything to justify being picked higher than 15. If he can not be a starter in a top team in Europe, why would any NBA team pick him as potential starter?