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EricaLubarsky · 11-15-2021, 10:17 PM

Luka ankle sprain

BPo001 · 11-15-2021, 10:18 PM

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Luka ankle sprain

Yep. I bet he misses a few games after that one.

Melonhead · 11-15-2021, 10:21 PM

Easily best win of the season

Scoobay · 11-15-2021, 10:33 PM

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Yep. I bet he misses a few games after that one.

Please no achilles injury... let it just be a sprain

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-15-2021, 10:35 PM

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Yep. I bet he misses a few games after that one.

Remember when it was important to get someone like Dragic?

SMC0007 · 11-16-2021, 12:16 AM

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Remember when it was important to get someone like Dragic?

We have Carlik Jones bruh.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-16-2021, 12:46 AM

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We have Carlik Jones bruh.

This may be a funny, but he may actually be thrown to the wolves if Luka missed serious time.

Dallas41 · 11-16-2021, 12:51 AM

Interesting situation brewing here

14: The number of combined minutes from Dwight Powell and Dorian Finney-Smith in the second half.
Powell and Finney-Smith started the game, but by the second half they were mostly glued to the bench. Brunson and Reggie Bullock took their place, and the Mavericks ran away with the game. They outscored the Nuggets by 14 in the fourth quarter and by 19 in the second half. Brunson and Bullock are just more dynamic players than Powell and Finney-Smith. Brunson can score and distribute off the dribble, and Bullock is a better shooter than Finney-Smith. Simply put, Jason Kidd let his best players cook, and Dallas won.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-16-2021, 01:12 AM

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Interesting situation brewing here

14: The number of combined minutes from Dwight Powell and Dorian Finney-Smith in the second half.
Powell and Finney-Smith started the game, but by the second half they were mostly glued to the bench. Brunson and Reggie Bullock took their place, and the Mavericks ran away with the game. They outscored the Nuggets by 14 in the fourth quarter and by 19 in the second half. Brunson and Bullock are just more dynamic players than Powell and Finney-Smith. Brunson can score and distribute off the dribble, and Bullock is a better shooter than Finney-Smith. Simply put, Jason Kidd let his best players cook, and Dallas won.

I mean, Bullock made one three to DFS's 2 so let's not act like he is the second coming of Seth Curry.

But Bullock does have some sort of "it" that doesn't really show up in the box score.

thewizard · 11-16-2021, 01:22 AM

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I mean, Bullock made one three to DFS's 2 so let's not act like he is the second coming of Seth Curry.

But Bullock does have some sort of "it" that doesn't really show up in the box score.

Despite not shooting well so far this year, Bullock has more gravity than DFS has. On offense, that's the "it" that I see. I saw a stat that said that DFS is left wide open from 3 more than anyone in the league that plays significant minutes. Other teams are simply willing to live with an open DFS 3 pointer.

So even though Bullock only hit 1 three to DFS's 2 today, I still think Bullock helps the spacing a bit more. Not that DFS sucks or Bullock is Seth Curry, but it's enough of a difference that I like seeing Bullock out there at the end of the game.

Lestat_1795 · 11-16-2021, 03:22 AM

Luka and KP seem to finally click.
Now let’s think about the state of the Mavs if the FO would have gotten anybody to help them in the last 2 off seasons. Think about DeMar DeRozan on this team.

Budapest Maverick · 11-16-2021, 04:00 AM

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Luka and KP seem to finally click.
Now let’s think about the state of the Mavs if the FO would have gotten anybody to help them in the last 2 off seasons. Think about DeMar DeRozan on this team.

DeMar is overrated, and doesn't really move the needle for us. We don't need scoring, we need defense and three point shooting, he does neither. We need an OG Anunoby, or someone like him, not a DeMar DeRozan.

EricaLubarsky · 11-16-2021, 11:34 AM

EricaLubarsky · 11-16-2021, 02:20 PM

https://sports.yahoo.com/demar-deroz...180945526.html

Sounds like it was a two-dog race between the Lakers and Bulls.

Lakers and Bulls were offering 26mill
Mavs had 9.5mill

Mavs were never in the DeRozan race in the first place.

SMC0007 · 11-16-2021, 04:52 PM

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https://sports.yahoo.com/demar-deroz...180945526.html

Sounds like it was a two-dog race between the Lakers and Bulls.

Lakers and Bulls were offering 26mill
Mavs had 9.5mill

Mavs were never in the DeRozan race in the first place.

It would have been possible.

We were never in the DD race to begin with because the FO doesn't know fit from a hole in their ass. Not because they couldn't possibly make the money or sNt work.

Dallas41 · 11-17-2021, 02:43 PM

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https://sports.yahoo.com/demar-deroz...180945526.html

Sounds like it was a two-dog race between the Lakers and Bulls.

Lakers and Bulls were offering 26mill
Mavs had 9.5mill

Mavs were never in the DeRozan race in the first place.

What about Spencer DinWiddie i recall reading the Mavs were interested but seems like they never made a play for him either

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-17-2021, 04:41 PM

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What about Spencer DinWiddie i recall reading the Mavs were interested but seems like they never made a play for him either

These were the two guys I do think we could have gotten had we really tried, but the point is moot now.

Good news is that there are positive things happening on the playmaking front especially in November. THJ is up to 2.4 assists per game and is actually contributing in other ways no when his shot isn't going. That NEVER happened under Rick. That's more assists than Evan Fournier who is has been a real disappointment on the Knicks.

Then you add in Frank and Brunson, and we are just holding on with playmaking.

Will be really interesting to see what happens tonight, oh yeah, forgot about the GDT.

dirt_dobber · 11-16-2021, 02:25 PM

Stat Muse "Kristaps Porzingis last 3 games:
27.7 PPG 10.0 RPG 3.3 3PG 55/50/90%
The Mavs have won 5 of their last 6."

mac222b · 11-16-2021, 02:35 PM

Really solid come back win last night. KP was great!

I know it was mainly bad luck Luka getting injured but WTF was he doing flying in for a block(which he couldn’t make) up 11? Just silliness.

dirt_dobber · 11-16-2021, 03:06 PM

after last night's win over Denver...
"Dallas is, to me, maybe the most interesting team in the entire league... There's a team in there somewhere that, if they can find it, is a threat to make the Finals." @ZachLowe_NBA

EricaLubarsky · 11-16-2021, 03:15 PM

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after last night's win over Denver...
"Dallas is, to me, maybe the most interesting team in the entire league... There's a team in there somewhere that, if they can find it, is a threat to make the Finals." @ZachLowe_NBA

It's total hyperbole. We changed our record against winning teams from 0-4 to 1-4 by beating a good team on the second night of a B2B. We're still negative in net rating, 19th in offense and 16th in defense.

The team has potential, but they've really shown nothing (yet).

We saw Luka play MVP-level the last two seasons. We've seen some flashes from KP at being a star (although his 20-8 on 44/35% isn't amazing yet). We've seen occasional genius on both offense and defense, but we also have stretches of 4-10 minutes every game where we look as clueless as a middle school team playing the Jordan Bulls.

This team just needs to keep improving. Honestly I'd be happy to get out of the first round this year.

Melonhead · 11-16-2021, 04:52 PM

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after last night's win over Denver...
"Dallas is, to me, maybe the most interesting team in the entire league... There's a team in there somewhere that, if they can find it, is a threat to make the Finals." @ZachLowe_NBA

Whats crazy is he said this on espn before the game...Im sitting here wondering how many are watching the games.

But AFTER last night...I still dont know. We also had people saying this last season though.

Mavs looked great and beat their first above 500 team.

That team also was on a B2B and 3 games in 4 nights.

SMC0007 · 11-16-2021, 05:03 PM

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Whats crazy is he said this on espn before the game...Im sitting here wondering how many are watching the games.

But AFTER last night...I still dont know. We also had people saying this last season though.

Mavs looked great and beat their first above 500 team.

That team also was on a B2B and 3 games in 4 nights.

I'd love to think he's right, buuuut. I still believe that we heavily rely on role players playing above their norm in big situations. That isn't the makeup of true contender IMO. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong.

Optimistic side of it is:

Brunson is no longer a background player forced to accept a bigger role. He is legit.

Frank has improved. Stepping into shots and knocking WAY more down than I thought he would. He's been pretty damn reliable.

Maxi, before the recent oblique strain, seems to have his athleticism and agility back.

KP ....eh I don't wanna jinx it.

Replacing Jrich with Bullock has not yet proven to be much of an upgrade. Surely that will show soon.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-16-2021, 03:34 PM

No damage to Luka's ankle or knee. Another bullet dodged.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-16-2021, 05:12 PM

Bad news incoming...Donic has a left knee sprain AND a left ankle sprain. I know he his iron man, but I'm still calling a week at least. Ankle sprain you can play through. Knee sprain is a whole 'nother cucumber. Esp on the same leg.

Melonhead · 11-16-2021, 05:46 PM

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Bad news incoming...Donic has a left knee sprain AND a left ankle sprain. I know he his iron man, but I'm still calling a week at least. Ankle sprain you can play through. Knee sprain is a whole 'nother cucumber. Esp on the same leg.

Damn I thought it might be slightly more serious than a one game sit. Hopefully hes good in less than 2 weeks.

So much for finding out how these next two weeks against contenders would go.

EricaLubarsky · 11-16-2021, 05:19 PM

Luka and Kleber out tomorrow

mac222b · 11-16-2021, 07:22 PM

As I said earlier: wtf was he doing flying in for a weak side block up 13 with 44 seconds left. Half the time the dude can’t be bothered to close out on shooters or rotate defensively and then suddenly he has to sell out to stop the Austin Rivers layup attempt? It’s of a piece with a very strange start to the season for him.

SMC0007 · 11-16-2021, 07:39 PM

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As I said earlier: wtf was he doing flying in for a weak side block up 13 with 44 seconds left. Half the time the dude can’t be bothered to close out on shooters or rotate defensively and then suddenly he has to sell out to stop the Austin Rivers layup attempt? It’s of a piece with a very strange start to the season for him.

That's why you get your guys out of the game earlier too though. Some of that is on Kidd. You protect them from themselves and from other players and bad situations. Not smart by Doncic but you gotta get he and KP outta there earlier. This is a learning experience for him as much or more than Donc

Dallas41 · 11-16-2021, 10:27 PM

All I'm going to say is J.Kidd should be in the running for coach of the year if he continues to win at this pace.

I'm impressed with his usage of KP and his work with Frank Nitkilina. I know it's still early but but under the old coaching regime I don't think either guy would be as productive.

Mavs might actually surprise us and finish in the top 4 out west if they remain healthy.

Melonhead · 11-17-2021, 12:04 AM

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All I'm going to say is J.Kidd should be in the running for coach of the year if he continues to win at this pace.

I'm impressed with his usage of KP and his work with Frank Nitkilina. I know it's still early but but under the old coaching regime I don't think either guy would be as productive.

Mavs might actually surprise us and finish in the top 4 out west if they remain healthy.

It would take Rick 65 games before he decided to give Frank hard minutes. KP agree wouldn’t be as productive. It seemed like they had been resigned to having KP forever in the corner.

BPo001 · 11-17-2021, 09:53 AM

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It would take Rick 65 games before he decided to give Frank hard minutes. KP agree wouldn’t be as productive. It seemed like they had been resigned to having KP forever in the corner.

It’s strange that KP wasn’t just standing in the corner all season, but come playoff time that’s what he was asked to do. I still think Rick is a great coach, but it was time to move in and get a fresh voice in here that can relate to these younger guys.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-17-2021, 10:10 AM

Well KP wouldn't be here if Rick was still coach. That was near Ben Simmons level of embarrassment between the two of them.

I have little to complain about with Kidd, but the same issues that we've had the past few seasons are still there. It's a talent problem versus a coaching one. We have improved a bit on defense and rebounding though.

The big glaring issue is opp. points allowed in the paint. 26th in that category. Upgrading center should be the priority.

EricaLubarsky · 11-17-2021, 11:00 AM

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The big glaring issue is opp. points allowed in the paint. 26th in that category. Upgrading center should be the priority.

Sadly I don't think our interior defense will improve without a trade.

KP - has had a game of 3 blocks and a game of 4, but only averaging 1.5 blocks. He's a matador on defense against forwards (and even quick centers like Bol Bol) and refuses to play center. So...shrug?

Boban - does not have the lateral movement and can't play more than 15-20. He does clog the paint, though.

WCS - just dumb as a rock and is always out of position. If he had good instincts, he would have the physical tools to be a weak-side shot-blocker and decent defender, but he is infuriatingly bad at just basics of defense.

Powell - not a shotblocker. He's 0.9 bpg this year. Before that, the most he ever had was 0.6. He hustles, gets into position, makes decent decisions, but just does not have the tools to be a defensive anchor.

Kleber - Probably our best defender. Really harasses forwards and centers. Pretty solid weak-side shotblocker averaging a career-high 1.2BPG. Definitely a positive, particularly with his 48% shooting from three, but at best he's a backup 3/4/5.

Brown - potential. He's averaging 12pts, 10reb, 4blocks per 36 for us this year. 20pts, 20reb, 2.5blocks last year. The problem? Those per 36 numbers for us are based on a total of 18 minutes played. Still very raw, but with Tyson's mentorship, he could be good. Kidd just won't play him (yet). Maybe we see him crack 5-10 a night late year and depend on him more next year?

mac222b · 11-17-2021, 12:27 PM

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Sadly I don't think our interior defense will improve without a trade.

KP - has had a game of 3 blocks and a game of 4, but only averaging 1.5 blocks. He's a matador on defense against forwards (and even quick centers like Bol Bol) and refuses to play center. So...shrug?

Boban - does not have the lateral movement and can't play more than 15-20. He does clog the paint, though.

WCS - just dumb as a rock and is always out of position. If he had good instincts, he would have the physical tools to be a weak-side shot-blocker and decent defender, but he is infuriatingly bad at just basics of defense.

Powell - not a shotblocker. He's 0.9 bpg this year. Before that, the most he ever had was 0.6. He hustles, gets into position, makes decent decisions, but just does not have the tools to be a defensive anchor.

Kleber - Probably our best defender. Really harasses forwards and centers. Pretty solid weak-side shotblocker averaging a career-high 1.2BPG. Definitely a positive, particularly with his 48% shooting from three, but at best he's a backup 3/4/5.

Brown - potential. He's averaging 12pts, 10reb, 4blocks per 36 for us this year. 20pts, 20reb, 2.5blocks last year. The problem? Those per 36 numbers for us are based on a total of 18 minutes played. Still very raw, but with Tyson's mentorship, he could be good. Kidd just won't play him (yet). Maybe we see him crack 5-10 a night late year and depend on him more next year?

Nice breakdown. I like the potential in Moses and think he can be a Nic Claxton or Gafford type for us. He has physical tools you can’t teach. I have seen him out of position a couple times in his limited minutes and Bullock (I think it was) barked at him as he missed a defensive rotation. I think he needs to demonstrate more baseline competency before he gets time again, but I hope he gets another shot because WCS has been bad.