PGT: Dirk takes up the @ass from Cuban

[Bayliss]

That's the summary of this game. And season.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

That's the summary of this game. And season.

Dirk just staring in disgust at James and Collison every other play down the stretch, or just looking at the bench at Carlisle as if to say: "really?"

[Sportstudi]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

That's the summary of this game. And season.

So true.

And I don't get our backcourt. Seriously, if your best player is shooting 80% from the floor it's inexcuseable to let him have only 10 shots in almost 36 minutes. Look at Brooklyn. Deron Williams had 25 shots. Brook Lopez had 22 shots. Maybe our guards are unable to understand the system, but I think there's a bigger chance for you to win if your best player shoots a lot while he's hot like Dirk tonight.

[jasonic]

Dirk with 8/10 in 35 minutes. James 4/14 in 24 minutes.
God, i miss Kidd.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by jasonic

Dirk with 8/10 in 35 minutes. James 4/14 in 24 minutes.
God, i miss Kidd.

Reading those stats makes me just want to punch a wall, swear loudly, and smoke a cigarette.

[Sportstudi]

[Rick41]

Smh.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

This team is never going to be taken seriously when Mike James takes more shots than Dirk. Just a joke.

[markus1234]

3's and 2's PER 48min

http://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.htm...&sortOrder=DES

http://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.htm...&sortOrder=DES

It is on Rick. And it is a disgrace.

[yahyes]

Dirk with no points in the 3rd quarter. Unbelievable. Well, lets get Marion back and take care of business Friday.

[MavsFTR]

Didn't get to watch the game. One stat that I immediately noticed is that Dirk shot 80%, but Mike James took 4 more shots than him. Is our team really this stupid?

[adonis]

You guys should stop complaining since you're not sold on firing Carlisle. This guy's ass should have been fired last season the way he handled the Odom situation.


STAN VAN GUNDY 2014

[adonis]

And as far as the game tonight goes, Dirk needs to get some of the blame as well imo. You're the face of the franchise, just tell your team that you need the basketball in your damn hands. He received undeserved criticsm for his performance after the injury, but right now he's absolutely 100% and should carry this team on his back like old time.

IMO it isn't a stretch to say that the garbage surrounding him has an influence on his lack of aggressiveness. Why care when your owner doesn't seem to care (Shark Tank).

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by adonis

STAN VAN GUNDY 2014

What a burn this team to the ground idea.

[Sportstudi]

Originally Posted by adonis

And as far as the game tonight goes, Dirk needs to get some of the blame as well imo. You're the face of the franchise, just tell your team that you need the basketball in your damn hands. He received undeserved criticsm for his performance after the injury, but right now he's absolutely 100% and should carry this team on his back like old time.

IMO it isn't a stretch to say that the garbage surrounding him has an influence on his lack of aggressiveness. Why care when your owner doesn't seem to care (Shark Tank).

I don't recall how often I saw Dirk waiving his hands and screaming to his "mates" that he's open during the last games. But did they pass the ball? No. It's an absolute disgrace. Some people think they are the reincarnation of Michael Jordan. Running into a fully packed lane only to get either blocked or the ball stolen instead of passing to a wide open Dirk. This team just sucks.

[Ninkobei]

it's called 'tanking' guys. the best way to tank is to give mike james the ball. maybe they have their eye on someone in the draft

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

Originally Posted by yahyes

Dirk with no points in the 3rd quarter. Unbelievable. Well, lets get Marion back and take care of business Friday.

I'm pretty sure that Dirk had no SHOTS in the 3Q

[Dirk's Knee]

Originally Posted by jasonic

Dirk with 8/10 in 35 minutes. James 4/14 in 24 minutes.
God, i miss Kidd.

Disgraceful...

Originally Posted by Ninkobei

it's called 'tanking' guys. the best way to tank is to give mike james the ball. maybe they have their eye on someone in the draft

At this point, I think the most we'd move is a spot maybe 2. Top 10 pick highly unlikely for us no matter what happens the rest of the season.

Originally Posted by Wang Zhi Zhi

I'm pretty sure that Dirk had no SHOTS in the 3Q

Yup. Horrible, horrible, horrible disgrace that Mike James is allowed to continue the way he has. Might as well give Chris Wright some minutes at PG, don't see how he could do much worse...

[Sportstudi]

Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

Yup. Horrible, horrible, horrible disgrace that Mike James is allowed to continue the way he has. Might as well give Chris Wright some minutes at PG, don't see how he could do much worse...

Same for Collison. He didn't shoot as much (2-5) as James, but he is either unwilling (rather trying hero ball against a fully packed paint) or unable to give Dirk the ball. Probably both.

[dirt_dobber]

I've never said such a thing about my entire life of Mavs devotion from 1980 - 'till now.

This team sucks.

[twelli]

In the last game they did share the ball, passed the ball to Dirk, and they won. This time someone must have told them "if we play that way, we are going to win, we don't want to win, remember?"

I think Mike James is the front runner for "face of Mavs' failure this season" by a mile, followed by Collison and Crowder. I think all of the three have good moments here and there, but the basketball IQ is just not there. Look at Deron Williams, I hate that guy, but he is an elite player, he dribbles a lot but when he rises for the jump shot, it's almost always spot on, right on target. Now, if Mike James does the same thing, his shot is almost always going to be too long, he's simply not a good shooter.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by twelli

In the last game they did share the ball, passed the ball to Dirk, and they won. This time someone must have told them "if we play that way, we are going to win, we don't want to win, remember?"

I think Mike James is the front runner for "face of Mavs' failure this season" by a mile, followed by Collison and Crowder. I think all of the three have good moments here and there, but the basketball IQ is just not there. Look at Deron Williams, I hate that guy, but he is an elite player, he dribbles a lot but when he rises for the jump shot, it's almost always spot on, right on target. Now, if Mike James does the same thing, his shot is almost always going to be too long, he's simply not a good shooter.

Man, this is crazy.

Mike James is the "face of mavs" failure this season by a mile. Get real. Why? Cuban and co thought it was a good idea to roll this roster out there, Not Mike James. He's an old veteran that is chosen to start here with a half-ass team that is severely struggling in the fight to be the first cow at the slaughtering. Why do some of you guys have such anger towards him? It's insane. Actually it's just temporary insanity, because you just fail to step back for a moment to see the big picture before you rant. Comparison to D Will is puzzling.

I get the frustration with Collison but not Crowder. A ROOKIE that is giving us great defense and actually playing his ass off. He is not a badass, and was never hyped up to be such. He was never expected to be a knockdown shooter or whatever else you guys have cooked up in your heads. But if you think he is a big part of the reason we have failed this season, you're wrong. Flat out.

The blame needs to be shared in this mess with exception of a few, but Cuban and co are the ones to turn to first. Their mugs should be on the top of the "face of the mavs failure". You don't string together a group of guys like we have, that aren't stars, and compete..especially in the west.

[Ninkobei]

Originally Posted by twelli

I think Mike James is the front runner for "face of Mavs' failure this season" by a mile, followed by Collison and Crowder. I think all of the three have good moments here and there, but the basketball IQ is just not there.

Why is Crowder a failure? The guy is a rookie and seems to play quite well for one. I hope he comes back.

Deron Williams is also 3 years older than Collison, so yeah he's had more time to develop his BBIQ. Not saying Collison will ever get to his level, but don't discount his youth.

[dude1394]

There are four guys I want back.. All of the rest depending on being really cheap, not their talent.

Dirk,Shawn,Vince, Jae. That's it, the assumption is that someone will pay mayo more that we re now.

[Sportstudi]

Originally Posted by dude1394

There are four guys I want back.. All of the rest depending on being really cheap, not their talent.

Dirk,Shawn,Vince, Jae. That's it, the assumption is that someone will pay mayo more that we re now.

Agreed. Wright and Brand I would keep as well, but for the right price. The whole rest has to go, period. Kaman, Collison etc... I don't care if we could get them really cheap, they're simply not good enough/don't fit into our team.
Concerning Mayo I thought he found his role after the ASG, but the last games were bad again. Thus, if someone pays more than we do, he can leave. Crowder... well, he's had some horrible mistakes so far, but on the other hand he's a rookie with room ro improve and already giving some salty defense. Therefore, I wouldn't mind to keep him as I think he will mature.

[Dirk's Knee]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Man, this is crazy.

Mike James is the "face of mavs" failure this season by a mile. Get real. Why? Cuban and co thought it was a good idea to roll this roster out there, Not Mike James. He's an old veteran that is chosen to start here with a half-ass team that is severely struggling in the fight to be the first cow at the slaughtering. Why do some of you guys have such anger towards him? It's insane. Actually it's just temporary insanity, because you just fail to step back for a moment to see the big picture before you rant. Comparison to D Will is puzzling.

I get the frustration with Collison but not Crowder. A ROOKIE that is giving us great defense and actually playing his ass off. He is not a badass, and was never hyped up to be such. He was never expected to be a knockdown shooter or whatever else you guys have cooked up in your heads. But if you think he is a big part of the reason we have failed this season, you're wrong. Flat out.

The blame needs to be shared in this mess with exception of a few, but Cuban and co are the ones to turn to first. Their mugs should be on the top of the "face of the mavs failure". You don't string together a group of guys like we have, that aren't stars, and compete..especially in the west.

I agree with Mike James being the face of the Mavs failure this season for the same reason you're arguing against it. I applaud him getting out there and trying. It boils down to the extremely poor decisions by the FO/RC resulting in him being signed and given the starting role. He's the guy which should be getting crap time at the end of blow outs, not significant minutes, and certainly not starting. You shouldn't blame James for performing poorly as a starter, but the system which has inexplicably allowed him the continued opportunities to fail in that role. Unfortunately for the guy, he's become the face of the FO failure this year. While I curse every minute he plays, I feel bad for him at the same time.

Regarding Crowder, I think his offensive ineffectiveness is also due to a failure of the coaching staff. He is not a spot up shooter, especially from long range. I think he'd be much more effective as a cutter on a switch when he's got a mismatched defender and the 5th scoring option on a team. that's the game they should be stressing with him, not 3 pointers. For a rookie, especially a second round pick, I think he's performed beyond expectations from a defensive perspective. If he can continue to develop those skills cutting down some of the fouls moving from a somewhat hyperactive defender to a more finesse defender I think he'll have a pretty long run in the NBA.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

I agree with Mike James being the face of the Mavs failure this season for the same reason you're arguing against it. I applaud him getting out there and trying. It boils down to the extremely poor decisions by the FO/RC resulting in him being signed and given the starting role. He's the guy which should be getting crap time at the end of blow outs, not significant minutes, and certainly not starting. You shouldn't blame James for performing poorly as a starter, but the system which has inexplicably allowed him the continued opportunities to fail in that role. Unfortunately for the guy, he's become the face of the FO failure this year. While I curse every minute he plays, I feel bad for him at the same time.

Regarding Crowder, I think his offensive ineffectiveness is also due to a failure of the coaching staff. He is not a spot up shooter, especially from long range. I think he'd be much more effective as a cutter on a switch when he's got a mismatched defender and the 5th scoring option on a team. that's the game they should be stressing with him, not 3 pointers. For a rookie, especially a second round pick, I think he's performed beyond expectations from a defensive perspective. If he can continue to develop those skills cutting down some of the fouls moving from a somewhat hyperactive defender to a more finesse defender I think he'll have a pretty long run in the NBA.

I personally think Mike James is doing fine...in context. The same context as if you brought a high school PG in to run the point on this team. If the face of the MAvs failure has Mike James on it, the artist has failed miserably. We wouldn't blame some random person from the crowd that came in to play, why place it at James' feet? That's the suits fault.

I agree that Crowder isn't a "spot up shooter" perhaps, but he shoots (outside) better than Marion, and he can space the floor better than Marion. Overall not the player Marion is, but a solid Rookie. He believes in his abilities and believes in his shot and that along with what you mentioned about his defense is why he will be around and successful for a long time.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I personally think Mike James is doing fine...in context. The same context as if you brought a high school PG in to run the point on this team. If the face of the MAvs failure has Mike James on it, the artist has failed miserably. We wouldn't blame some random person from the crowd that came in to play, why place it at James' feet? That's the suits fault.

There really is no context in which Mike James should be taking 14 shots in a game. I get that the FO is as much to blame for playing him, but James still shouldn't be doing it because he often takes low percentage shots. He can take the threes, but the other stuff is bleh. If he is playing, then he needs to play smart and get Dirk the ball above all else.

The PG situation just sucks. We'll all hopefully laugh in the future about the fact that 37 year old Mike James was our starting pg at one point. Sigh...

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

There really is no context in which Mike James should be taking 14 shots in a game. I get that the FO is as much to blame for playing him, but James still shouldn't be doing it because he often takes low percentage shots. He can take the threes, but the other stuff is bleh. If he is playing, then he needs to play smart and get Dirk the ball above all else.

The PG situation just sucks. We'll all hopefully laugh in the future about the fact that 37 year old Mike James was our starting pg at one point. Sigh...

I still don't find the Antoine Walker fiasco funny. :/

[Dirk's Knee]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I personally think Mike James is doing fine...in context. The same context as if you brought a high school PG in to run the point on this team. If the face of the MAvs failure has Mike James on it, the artist has failed miserably. We wouldn't blame some random person from the crowd that came in to play, why place it at James' feet? That's the suits fault.

There's no blame on Mike James per se. Let me see if I can explain it better. It's like when you watch a move which has a great story but the lead actor just isn't believable. Despite it really being the fault of the producer, casting directer, and director for a bad casting, it is ultimately the lack of ability from the actor which sinks the ship and what the audience sees. But beside that, I don't think he's really even doing well within context. He's sorely overreaching and consistently failing. There's an old jazz quote, I think it was from Dizzy Gillespie that goes something like this: the best players know when not to play. Given 10 years of experience, you'd think the 1 thing he would've learned is when not to shoot.

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I agree that Crowder isn't a "spot up shooter" perhaps, but he shoots (outside) better than Marion, and he can space the floor better than Marion. Overall not the player Marion is, but a solid Rookie. He believes in his abilities and believes in his shot and that along with what you mentioned about his defense is why he will be around and successful for a long time.

Ugh, don't remind me about Marion's bizarre (ugly) shooting technique. Since he's been out I've almost forgotten about it. But Marion's mid range game is so fun to watch as he can hit the J or put the ball on the floor and hit that beautiful runner with ease. If we keep him, I think Crowder playing with Marion another season will be great for his future development as a player. If he improves defensively like I think he will and perhaps pick up Marion's runner, look out...

[TNT]

Crowder is the only positive thing in this season.

And i'm agreeing with them who say that RC is doing bad coaching job. Nowitzki was on fire tonight and mike james felt like he is the lebron james.



awful

[dude1394]

Jae doesn't have nearly enough athleticism to be much more than a spot up shooter IMO. So I think his offensive decisions are pretty good for a rook.

But I LOVE me a defensive ball-buster that can consistently hit the three. They are extremely valuable IMO. See battier, Bowen. Great players to have on the team.

[Dirk's Knee]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Jae doesn't have nearly enough athleticism to be much more than a spot up shooter IMO. So I think his offensive decisions are pretty good for a rook.

But I LOVE me a defensive ball-buster that can consistently hit the three. They are extremely valuable IMO. See battier, Bowen. Great players to have on the team.

Bowen is exactly the type of player I hope Crowder can become, though with a more aggressive offensive style rather than a spot up shooter. Time will tell.

[oilfieldtrash]

I think Crowder can be a decent offensive player. All he has to do is put that big body on someone and he's got you. He's strong, semi quick, okay shot (can def get better), pretty developed for a rookie.

Boston also sees he has potential as they wanted him in the Pierce deal.

[purplefrog]

Dirk + VC = 19 FGA
M.James + Kaveman = 26 FGA

That's the way you lose a ball game.

It is remarkable how ineffective DC is at running a half court offense.

IMO, the MBT should be willing to overpay for a decent PG next season. Having some degree of competency at that position is a must. I'd go after Calderon with guns blazing. Give him a max deal if that's what it takes. You simply can't go into next season with below average skills at PG. You just can't do it!

[LonghornDub]

If you think RC has made some horrific coaching miscalculations this season, you're probably right.

If you think RC should be fired, you should be fired.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

If you think RC has made some horrific coaching miscalculations this season, you're probably right.

If you think RC should be fired, you should be fired.

I don't think he should be fired, but I've wondered about the negative impact of guys not get consistent playing time. B. Wright etc. Guys that have potential and ability don't wanna live that way. They want to play and have every chance to excel. You never know what you are gonna get with Rick.

Rick needs to adjust his approach. We aren't the same team anymore and he can't continue to approach the game and coach the same. IF he does this again next season...I'm out. For now he has a pass.

[LonghornDub]

Even if he makes the exact same mistake next season, there still won't be a coach available who's anywhere close to Rick's acumen. No point in firing him for a downgrade.

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by Sportstudi

Same for Collison. He didn't shoot as much (2-5) as James, but he is either unwilling (rather trying hero ball against a fully packed paint) or unable to give Dirk the ball. Probably both.

“As a starter, you kind of want to get everybody involved the first five minutes,” Collison said. “When you come off the bench, everybody’s kind of already had their touches. You want to be a little bit more aggressive coming off the bench.” Link

Ominous.

These @sshats need to learn that Dirk's touches extend beyond the first five minutes... and definitely include the last five minutes and the entire 3rd quarter.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I don't think he should be fired, but I've wondered about the negative impact of guys not get consistent playing time. B. Wright etc. Guys that have potential and ability don't wanna live that way. They want to play and have every chance to excel. You never know what you are gonna get with Rick.

Rick needs to adjust his approach. We aren't the same team anymore and he can't continue to approach the game and coach the same. IF he does this again next season...I'm out. For now he has a pass.

Man...I just don't see the gripe. There isn't anyone on this team that would have gotten much better with more playing time. Mayo, collison, crowder, Bernard James, roddy, wright. All got significant playing time. On this team without a center worth a crude, having wright out there gives up so much defensively because of dirks also defensive problems that its just a horrible situation and roster. I mean damn, the Mavs shot 50+ percent last night, but again just get pancaked on the boards and couldn't stop a wet noodle.

Wright helps not at all with that if that is the one player you can point to that has gotten the yoyo treatment.

Carlisle is trying to teach him that it is a mans game for bigs, he's not even as physical as kevin durant.