JJB should not see the court for more than FIVE minutes. Maximum. - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

CadBane · 04-25-2011, 10:00 PM

There's a lot of things to point the finger to as to why tonight's win didn't end the series. But a huge part of it, and a key to winning Game 6/7, is Jose Juan Barea.

I'm the first to admit, I don't like him or his game. I never have, never will. I feel any positives he brings are heavily outweighed by his massive negatives.

But this isn't about that. This about him hurting this team, which is more on Coach. There is simply no justifiable reason that JJB is playing 20 minutes per game against Portland. None.

We SHOULD be seeing Terry at the 1 with DeShawn/Brewer at the 2 instead of JJB. Some of you cry, "Terry at the 1! He can't play PG." Yes, he can. He did it for years, including on the Finals team. I not saying he's a great PG, but he doesn't need to be. All he needs to do is bring the ball up the court and make simple passes. If he does that, he's already playing the point better than JJB can against this team.

Lets look at what JJB has brought to the table in 5 games.

19 MPG
9-32 shooting (26%, 0% on threes)
5 PPG
1 RPG
2 assists
1.5 turnovers

And a shit ton of mismatches and terrible defense.

If you think Jet can't do better than an almost 1:1 assist to turnover ratio at the 1, while obviously bringing better shooting and much better defense (with DeShawn or Brewer at the 2), then I just don't know what to tell you.

Tonight, in an ELEVEN point win, JJB was a MINUS SEVEN. Now you might not love +/-, but when he is the ONLY guy on the team with a negative plus/minus, that's extremely damning (and it was the same way in Game 5 before the 4th quarter).

JJB should not be playing more than 5 MPG.

Kante · 04-25-2011, 10:01 PM

Thought you was gone...

JJB has a very bad series though!

hotsauce · 04-25-2011, 10:15 PM

THANKS, CADBANE! Exactly, i'm right there with you

Dan1 · 04-25-2011, 10:19 PM

Matchup issues. Def not having a good series, but a useful player.

sefant77 · 04-25-2011, 10:25 PM

Let Barea walk in the offseason. For every spark he has at least 5 fuckups.

He should never be the primary backup of a 38year old for a playoff team.

We have allready two undersized combo guards with Terry and Roddy, we dont need a third one.

Either we need a true backup or if Kidd retires a new starter. And i dont wanna pressure Roddy with this role after his wasted year.

So please dont give Barea a Brewer like contract.

Mav Addict · 04-25-2011, 10:29 PM

"I wish he was a lil bit taller, I wish he was baller, I wish he had a girl that look good, I would call her...."

...seriously his girl does look good

badfish22 · 04-25-2011, 10:34 PM

I think we can all agree that JJ sucks burritos, but he really is our only option for backup PG right now.

CadBane · 04-25-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by badfish22

I think we can all agree that JJ sucks burritos, but he really is our only option for backup PG right now.

I think I pretty clearly outlined above how he is not our only option.

dude1394 · 04-25-2011, 11:09 PM

They would eat jet up with the press. You haven't shown anything.

Murphy3 · 04-25-2011, 11:12 PM

Yeah... a very silly thread. JJB will become extremely useful before this playoff run is over. This series is not a good matchup for him in any capacity.

DirkFTW · 04-25-2011, 11:15 PM

While he does sometimes drive into traffic and get lost, at least he is driving. Without him, we'd be shooting more jumpers.

CadBane · 04-25-2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Yeah... a very silly thread. JJB will become extremely useful before this playoff run is over. This series is not a good matchup for him in any capacity.

Can you read? Because I said for this series. Very silly response.

mavsfan1000 · 04-25-2011, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

While he does sometimes drive into traffic and get lost, at least he is driving. Without him, we'd be shooting more jumpers.

Shooting jumpers>Barea's driving ability.

CadBane · 04-25-2011, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

While he does sometimes drive into traffic and get lost, at least he is driving. Without him, we'd be shooting more jumpers.

Right, because even though he's only shooting 26%, most of them are drives! 26% on drives is better than jumpers.

CadBane · 04-25-2011, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

They would eat jet up with the press. You haven't shown anything.

Can you prove that? Because Jet has shown a better ability to create for others than JJB this series. Portland hasn't been pressing, by the way. They hassle the PG up the court and ball-hawk. But that's not a press.

dude1394 · 04-25-2011, 11:24 PM

Playing jet this series ismeven worse than others. He would barely be able to get it over the time line. Not to mention not being able to get it to anyone in the post. He's putrid as a point. I'll lay this one on Carlisle, jib needs to be a little less aggressive unless jkiddo is in there. If camby is out I want jib driving it all night long.

dude1394 · 04-25-2011, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Can you prove that? Because Jet has shown a better ability to create for others than JJB this series. Portland hasn't been pressing, by the way. They hassle the PG up the court and ball-hawk. But that's not a press.

Prove what. I've seen jet against backcourt pressure and it's not pretty. It's one of the biggest reasons we got spanked by gs. Okay..so backcourt pressure, not a press. Happier now.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-25-2011, 11:38 PM

dude seriously believes that the sole reason Jet would not be a good PG is that he would never be able to get the ball over midcourt. I wonder if anyone else in the world thinks like this.

dude1394 · 04-25-2011, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

dude seriously believes that the sole reason Jet would not be a good PG is that he would never be able to get the ball over midcourt. I wonder if anyone else in the world thinks like this.

I seriously do. Even jkiddo isnhavingx tonreallynwork tom get it up. They'd max out the pressure on jet.

CadBane · 04-25-2011, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Playing jet this series ismeven worse than others. He would barely be able to get it over the time line. Not to mention not being able to get it to anyone in the post. He's putrid as a point. I'll lay this one on Carlisle, jib needs to be a little less aggressive unless jkiddo is in there. If camby is out I want jib driving it all night long.

He got the ball over midcourt for years playing PG...

And Devin played PG against GS, you can't lay that on Jet (other things, sure, but not ball handling).

dude1394 · 04-25-2011, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

He got the ball over midcourt for years playing PG...

And Devin played PG against GS, you can't lay that on Jet (other things, sure, but not ball handling).

Go back and look at it. Jet played plenty of point and they smothered him. He got it over the line until Nelson exposed him. Ever since then whenever he's the point he gets pressured and he doesn't handle it. If we had a good ball-handling shooting guard it might work.

chumdawg · 04-25-2011, 11:49 PM

How do you average 1.5 turnovers over the course of five games?

DirkFTW · 04-26-2011, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Shooting jumpers>Barea's driving ability.

You say that now, but watch when all you do is shoot jumpers, the defense crowds your shooters and the offense stagnates to all hell. I vaguely remember that happening in years past to the lament that if only we had a driving guard to force the defense to at least guard the paint, respect the drive.

Could Barea be better, of course. By a whole lot and we have certainly seen better performances from him earlier this season. Could we do worse without anyone who is willing to drive in for a layup? We have and it was ugly when the jumpers wouldn't fall.

mavs777 · 04-26-2011, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

They would eat jet up with the press. You haven't shown anything.

yeah

croco · 04-26-2011, 05:22 AM

I totally agree with the OP. I would rather have a more defensive minded backup point guard than someone who is inefficient offensively and a liability defensively. Unfortunately that person is currently not on the roster and Barea will still get 15-20 minutes a game because Terry can't handle the point guard role as others already alluded to.

nwtzk · 04-26-2011, 05:24 AM

Do we have a choice? If Roddy plays, then Barea should not play.

twelli · 04-26-2011, 07:00 AM

One play of Game 4 comes to mind. Terry trying to lob the ball over Aldrige to Dirk. Aldrige plucks the ball down easily and runs down the court for an easy score (can't remember how). And this was right then when they started their final run. Terry likes to get the crowd involved, we know that. And boy did he bring the crowd on their feet with this play. Pull-up jumpers and corner-threes are his bread and butter, not distributing the ball under pressure.

sefant77 · 04-26-2011, 08:55 AM

Sucks that we wasnt able to trade for Hinrich when the Wiz dumped his 17/2 contract for Bibbys 12/2 + 1st 2011 + Jordan Crawford.

Hinrich is Kidd light, underrated defender and with 6-3 able to defend SGs if necessary.

Kidd/Hinrich
Terry/Roddy

saclare · 04-26-2011, 09:32 AM

I don't like him, but you can't turn to JET and expect much better. JJB has provided some positives, but he does have many more negatives against the Blazers, that's for sure.

Kante · 04-26-2011, 09:37 AM

Yeah, Hinrich was my dream scenario too at the deadline...

dude1394 · 04-26-2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nwtzk

Do we have a choice? If Roddy plays, then Barea should not play.

The legend just will not die, even when the player has killed it himself.

Underdog · 04-26-2011, 10:06 AM

It's not about what you'd gain at the 1, but what you'd lose at the 2 - Jason Terry is the best shooting guard on this team and it's not even close. Why would you waste his skillset at PG?

sefant77 · 04-26-2011, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

It's not about what you'd gain at the 1, but what you'd lose at the 2 - Jason Terry is the best shooting guard on this team and it's not even close. Why would you waste his skillset at PG?

Dont know, Terry is the best SG on the team but he doesnt score on every possession. But if the other team scores on every possession with Barea on the court...not even Michael Jordan could make up for this

jk, i see your point...

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-26-2011, 10:24 AM

I'm OK with the way JJ has been handled, but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing something different there. He just hasn't played well at all, but there just isn't an easy answer at the back-up point. I do see the Jet argument, but there has to be some semblance of good reason why he hasn't played any minutes there anymore.

I'd be very curious to see who plays once/if Roddy and Caron get healthy.

j0Shi · 04-26-2011, 10:34 AM

It's a tough series for Barea. Only way he could be valueable is if he got it going offensively. Not happened til now. So the team has to survive the stints with Barea. Be sure that Barea will be a factor in upcoming series against L.A., Oklahoma or Memphis. What you can really argue at this point is whether Barea should get any playing time at the 2. Carlisle had him out there with Kidd in the 4th yesterday and I think that shouldn't happen. D-Steve/Roddy/Brewer are still the better choices next to Kidd at any time when Terry gets his rest in this series.

dude1394 · 04-26-2011, 11:29 AM

I think jj has just been too aggressive in trying to get all of the way to the basket. He needs tomget in there but kick it out some more, just tone it down some and make better decisions. I think hes done a better job meeting players further away from the basket to contest them. If jj or jet let's them post them they are toast.

kenny_817 · 04-26-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

How do you average 1.5 turnovers over the course of five games?

My thoughts exactly...I lol'd when I read that

EricaLubarsky · 04-26-2011, 11:45 AM

JJB has been fine, he's just a player that will be hot or cold depending on defenses and he just needs to be more comfortable turning or stopping his drive. With Camby out there, he's going to meet a lot of resistance if he gets right under the basket. On the other hand his drives always draw at least a double if not a triple team on the way in. If he can drop it off for Chandler, kick it out, or do like Nash does and just drive in circles to confuse defenses, he will be a very important piece.

In fact he's one of the few guys we have right now that can force offensive movement other than Dirk.

Axilla · 04-26-2011, 12:00 PM

LOL

terry at the 1... using his past performance (INCLUDING THE FINALS?) as evidence...

yikes.

jjb has had a tough series but is a far better option than Jet at point
1. jet is best around screens spotting up
2. JJB is PROBABLY (how funny is that?) a better defender.
3. jet can't handle the ball.
4. jj is the only guard who can get to the rim

this is a terrible idea

ShaggyDirk · 04-26-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

How do you average 1.5 turnovers over the course of five games?

fuzzy math