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Underdog · 07-31-2014, 10:38 AM

Well, Parsons also had McHale working against him in his development, whereas Dirk grew under Nellie.

Although I see no reason why anyone would think Parsons could have the same career as Dirk - dude is a HoFer and in the conversation for top-20 players of All-Time... Honestly, if Parsons ends up being as good as prime Josh Howard I'll consider it a win.

Murphy3 · 07-31-2014, 03:41 PM

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Well, Parsons also had McHale working against him in his development, whereas Dirk grew under Nellie.

Although I see no reason why anyone would think Parsons could have the same career as Dirk - dude is a HoFer and in the conversation for top-20 players of All-Time... Honestly, if Parsons ends up being as good as prime Josh Howard I'll consider it a win.

I think referring to Dirk as "in the conversation for top-20 players of All-Time" is a slap in the face to Dirk.

Underdog · 07-31-2014, 04:38 PM

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I think referring to Dirk as "in the conversation for top-20 players of All-Time" is a slap in the face to Dirk.

I agree... I could make an argument for top-10 myself, but the general consensus around the internet seems to be that he's in the 15-25 range. Rick Carlisle thinks he's a top-12 player, for what it's worth.

I'm sure his legacy will strengthen in the minds of non-Mavs fans once he moves up from #10 to #6 on the All-Time Scoring list.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-31-2014, 04:51 PM

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I agree... I could make an argument for top-10 myself, but the general consensus around the internet seems to be that he's in the 15-25 range. Rick Carlisle thinks he's a top-12 player, for what it's worth.

I'm sure his legacy will strengthen in the minds of non-Mavs fans once he moves up from #10 to #6 on the All-Time Scoring list.

Does Dirk really get that much credit outside of Dallas? I don't really know. I feel like people still scoff at the notion of him being top 20. I know Bill Simmons was the first major sportswriter to call him top 20, and he took a bit flak for it.

Murphy3 · 07-31-2014, 07:35 PM

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Does Dirk really get that much credit outside of Dallas? I don't really know. I feel like people still scoff at the notion of him being top 20. I know Bill Simmons was the first major sportswriter to call him top 20, and he took a bit flak for it.

Not after the championship. Many were putting him in top 12-15..

Thespiralgoeson · 07-31-2014, 08:00 PM

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Not after the championship. Many were putting him in top 12-15..

That's what I mean though. It was immediately after the championship that Simmons said he was top 20 all-time, and he caught a bit of flak for it. I think there's still a bunch hack sportswriters out there who have him behind guys from way back when like Bob Cousy, Bob Pettit, or Rick Barry or whoever.

Five-ofan · 07-31-2014, 10:35 PM

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That's what I mean though. It was immediately after the championship that Simmons said he was top 20 all-time, and he caught a bit of flak for it. I think there's still a bunch hack sportswriters out there who have him behind guys from way back when like Bob Cousy, Bob Pettit, or Rick Barry or whoever.

Rick Barry and Pettit are quite a bit ahead of Cousy on the all time list I think.

Five-ofan · 07-31-2014, 06:12 PM

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I think referring to Dirk as "in the conversation for top-20 players of All-Time" is a slap in the face to Dirk.

I think dirk is top 20 all time(and actually a little higher) but I wouldn't say it's a slap in the face. In no order Jordan, Kareem, wilt, shaq, Russell, magic, bird, Lebron, Duncan, Moses, Kobe, Garnett, dr j, Barkley, Malone, dream, west, Oscar, Robinson, Havlicek are all at least close even though I'd personally take dirk over some of those guys, none of them are an affront to him

NeedlesKane · 07-31-2014, 06:38 PM

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I think dirk is top 20 all time(and actually a little higher) but I wouldn't say it's a slap in the face. In no order Jordan, Kareem, wilt, shaq, Russell, magic, bird, Lebron, Duncan, Moses, Kobe, Garnett, dr j, Barkley, Malone, dream, west, Oscar, Robinson, Havlicek are all at least close even though I'd personally take dirk over some of those guys, none of them are an affront to him

Challenge ACCEPTED! hahaha... I will find out who the greatest players of all-time are and where Dirk stands. This, unfortunately, will ignore championships. Sorry Bill.

For starters, Dirk's career player efficiency, as previously used on NBA.com (NOT PER), is a 23.74. I will include asterisks for active players since their efficiency will likely drop before they retire. Michael Jordan has a 29.19.

Murphy3 · 07-31-2014, 07:38 PM

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I think dirk is top 20 all time(and actually a little higher) but I wouldn't say it's a slap in the face. In no order Jordan, Kareem, wilt, shaq, Russell, magic, bird, Lebron, Duncan, Moses, Kobe, Garnett, dr j, Barkley, Malone, dream, west, Oscar, Robinson, Havlicek are all at least close even though I'd personally take dirk over some of those guys, none of them are an affront to him

There's a difference between "top 20 all time" and "in the conversation for top-20".