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mac222b · 06-07-2021, 03:55 PM

I think that any offseason plan should include the assumption of Josh Green as part of the rotation at 20-30 minutes per night. He will help with the defense and athleticism we are currently operating at.

I don’t see any way J-Rich is back here. Assuming THJ is resigned and Brunson isn’t traded we have Luka, Green, DFS, THJ and Brunson with spot minutes from Burke or Terry or whoever else we sign.

Dtownsfinest · 06-07-2021, 03:59 PM

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I think that any offseason plan should include the assumption of Josh Green as part of the rotation at 20-30 minutes per night. He will help with the defense and athleticism we are currently operating at.

I don’t see any way J-Rich is back here. Assuming THJ is resigned and Brunson isn’t traded we have Luka, Green, DFS, THJ and Brunson with spot minutes from Burke or Terry or whoever else we sign.

Pure assumption on my part but I think Richardson has screwed up his stock so bad that he may need to opt in to his deal.

mac222b · 06-07-2021, 04:13 PM

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Pure assumption on my part but I think Richardson has screwed up his stock so bad that he may need to opt in to his deal.

I agree. Is he a Duffy guy? So we can’t totally scree him over. He’s not a bad innings eater for the regular season, sort of like a middle reliever for a baseball analogy. I’d just worry about him stunting Greens growth. Green needs consistent rotation minutes and we as a team need him to play.

If he opts in he will still want to start and I would make it clear to him and his agent that it’s in his best interest to move on, as he’d be playing for a contract again. Hopefully there is a team that is willing to do a SnT and we get back a flawed player on a bad one year deal that fits our roster needs better.

Dtownsfinest · 06-07-2021, 04:28 PM

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I agree. Is he a Duffy guy? So we can’t totally scree him over. He’s not a bad innings eater for the regular season, sort of like a middle reliever for a baseball analogy. I’d just worry about him stunting Greens growth. Green needs consistent rotation minutes and we as a team need him to play.

If he opts in he will still want to start and I would make it clear to him and his agent that it’s in his best interest to move on, as he’d be playing for a contract again. Hopefully there is a team that is willing to do a SnT and we get back a flawed player on a bad one year deal that fits our roster needs better.

I think a contender should want him. I don't know why guys like him and Delon Wright don't work here. Its mind boggling to me.

Dtownsfinest · 06-07-2021, 04:47 PM

WASHINGTON WIZARDS Report: Washington Wizards continue to monitor Kristaps Porzingis

https://ahnfiredigital.com/nba/washi...aps-porzingis/

Come on to BIG D Beal!!

Not sure if this site is even legit.....but I can fantasize lol.

SMC0007 · 06-07-2021, 06:22 PM

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WASHINGTON WIZARDS Report: Washington Wizards continue to monitor Kristaps Porzingis

https://ahnfiredigital.com/nba/washi...aps-porzingis/

Come on to BIG D Beal!!

Not sure if this site is even legit.....but I can fantasize lol.

Unfortunately the idea would not be to trade Beal to get KP.

Dtownsfinest · 06-07-2021, 06:44 PM

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Unfortunately the idea would not be to trade Beal to get KP.

Probably not. But if a situation comes where Beal wants out.......i'd never say never.

Dallas41 · 06-07-2021, 06:36 PM

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WASHINGTON WIZARDS Report: Washington Wizards continue to monitor Kristaps Porzingis

https://ahnfiredigital.com/nba/washi...aps-porzingis/

Come on to BIG D Beal!!

Not sure if this site is even legit.....but I can fantasize lol.

That's an old report and Beal actually wants to play with KP

I personally don't think KP is as bad as people make him out to be.

Some of his issues are injuries and some are just related to system basketball.

I've practically given up debating it but I do think KP needs a change of scenery and would probably fair much better someplace like Golden St where their system would definitely get him touches.

It's kind of like when Seth got traded i felt like he was going to a better situation and would be put in a system around other pieces he fit best with....

Golden st would be ideal for KP playing next to Draymond and Wiseman up front with Curry & Klay in the backcourt. Fresh start better place

Dtownsfinest · 06-07-2021, 06:45 PM

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That's an old report and Beal actually wants to play with KP

I personally don't think KP is as bad as people make him out to be.

Some of his issues are injuries and some are just related to system basketball.

I've practically given up debating it but I do think KP needs a change of scenery and would probably fair much better someplace like Golden St where their system would definitely get him touches.

It's kind of like when Seth got traded i felt like he was going to a better situation and would be put in a system around other pieces he fit best with....

Golden st would be ideal for KP playing next to Draymond and Wiseman up front with Curry & Klay in the backcourt. Fresh start better place

I have no issue with KP. I just don't think he fits in this offense. This offense is about Luka dominating the ball and dishing it out to the open jump shooter. So if that's this offense then there's no place for KP here and honestly i'm not even sure if there's a place for Wiggins at his salary.

Dallas41 · 06-07-2021, 06:58 PM

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I have no issue with KP. I just don't think he fits in this offense. This offense is about Luka dominating the ball and dishing it out to the open jump shooter. So if that's this offense then there's no place for KP here and honestly i'm not even sure if there's a place for Wiggins at his salary.

Yeah I agree with you

It's been 2 years and I just don't think KP fits here now.

He's not a guy who can put the ball on the floor and go get his own shot so he has to be setup.

I mentioned Golden St because Draymond runs point forward in that offense and he does a great job spreading the ball around and they use lots of movement.

Wiggins is the most realistic target for KP and although I think KP is the better player and shooter Wiggins would at least get higher volume usage here simaliar to THJ except he can attack more at the rim. He's a ok defender and right now the mavs don't have much choice if they want to move forward without KP.

rimrocker · 06-07-2021, 07:12 PM

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Yeah I agree with you

It's been 2 years and I just don't think KP fits here now.

He's not a guy who can put the ball on the floor and go get his own shot so he has to be setup.

I mentioned Golden St because Draymond runs point forward in that offense and he does a great job spreading the ball around and they use lots of movement.

Wiggins is the most realistic target for KP and although I think KP is the better player and shooter Wiggins would at least get higher volume usage here simaliar to THJ except he can attack more at the rim. He's a ok defender and right now the mavs don't have much choice if they want to move forward without KP.

Yeah, not overly crazy about Wiggins but he is probably a realistic target. His lack of aggression would be frustrating but at least he is more durable, can score and provide a little D.

Dtownsfinest · 06-07-2021, 11:20 PM

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Yeah I agree with you

It's been 2 years and I just don't think KP fits here now.

He's not a guy who can put the ball on the floor and go get his own shot so he has to be setup.

I mentioned Golden St because Draymond runs point forward in that offense and he does a great job spreading the ball around and they use lots of movement.

Wiggins is the most realistic target for KP and although I think KP is the better player and shooter Wiggins would at least get higher volume usage here simaliar to THJ except he can attack more at the rim. He's a ok defender and right now the mavs don't have much choice if they want to move forward without KP.

Wiggins is a very realistic situation sadly. I like him just not at his salary but he's still relatively young....

Jayinem · 06-07-2021, 04:57 PM

Wizards: We'll give you Russ for KP

Dtownsfinest · 06-07-2021, 05:29 PM

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Wizards: We'll give you Russ for KP

And i'd do it too.

Jayinem · 06-07-2021, 05:46 PM

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And i'd do it too.

You want Russ on this team? Good god man. You know there's only one basketball. Luka and Russ have two of the highest usage rates ever. Russ can't play off the ball. Talk about bad fit.

Dtownsfinest · 06-07-2021, 06:43 PM

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You want Russ on this team? Good god man. You know there's only one basketball. Luka and Russ have two of the highest usage rates ever. Russ can't play off the ball. Talk about bad fit.

What do you mean he can't play off the ball? I don't need him for just offense if he's giving me 10 rebounds and 10 assists....getting Russell Westbrook would also allow you to rest Luka more. The Mavericks need a high usage guy. Russ wouldn't be my first choice in that regard but i'd take ANYTHING for KP at this point. Westbrook is a walking triple double.

Jayinem · 06-07-2021, 06:50 PM

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What do you mean he can't play off the ball? I don't need him for just offense if he's giving me 10 rebounds and 10 assists....getting Russell Westbrook would also allow you to rest Luka more. The Mavericks need a high usage guy. Russ wouldn't be my first choice in that regard but i'd take ANYTHING for KP at this point. Westbrook is a walking triple double.

Dude I think your bbiq must be really low. The reason Russ gets 10 assists is because he controls the ball. You want to take the ball out of Lukas hands?

Russ would quickly join DSJ and KP if rumors are true in being disgruntled because of how much Luka controls the ball. It would be a disaster anybody with any foresight could see that.

BigDog63 · 06-08-2021, 09:55 AM

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You want Russ on this team? Good god man. You know there's only one basketball. Luka and Russ have two of the highest usage rates ever. Russ can't play off the ball. Talk about bad fit.

Exactly what the concern was with Houston. To his credit, Russ did try to work around that there, but he is what he is. This is also why he gets criticized for creating great stats which don't really translate to wins.

The good thing is that he's all effort, all the time.

Dtownsfinest · 06-08-2021, 10:33 AM

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Exactly what the concern was with Houston. To his credit, Russ did try to work around that there, but he is what he is. This is also why he gets criticized for creating great stats which don't really translate to wins.

The good thing is that he's all effort, all the time.

So do we criticize Luka for his stats and it not translating in wins?

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-07-2021, 05:48 PM

I can't with these Donnie quotes today. One tries to keep a level head as a fan, and then you hear our glorious GM talk. Yikes.

SMC0007 · 06-07-2021, 06:08 PM

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I can't with these Donnie quotes today. One tries to keep a level head as a fan, and then you hear our glorious GM talk. Yikes.

Link?

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-08-2021, 09:39 AM

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Link?

I'm sure you found it by now, but he basically said Luka needs to pass the ball more to his teammates. With a straight fucking face...

Fire that dumb dumb.

SMC0007 · 06-08-2021, 10:01 AM

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I'm sure you found it by now, but he basically said Luka needs to pass the ball more to his teammates. With a straight fucking face...

Fire that dumb dumb.

Yea. It's finger pointing at the only success he has had in quite a while. Sad.

BigDog63 · 06-08-2021, 10:45 AM

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Yea. It's finger pointing at the only success he has had in quite a while. Sad.

Is it? Isn't what he said...true? Not that Luka wasn't trying to do that...but history pretty much clearly demonstrates that even someone as talented as Luka can't win on his own. That wasn't finger pointing...it was coaching. What's more, I think Luka would agree. He can't win it by himself.

Now, the other side of that is...those he passes to have to hit their shots. in a nutshell, in the games we won, they did, and in the games we lost, they didn't.

KP, assuming he is still here, needs to get more involved. That seems to be a joint responsibility. Some on Luka, some on KP, and some (maybe most?) on RC. I find the strategy they used with him questionable...were things really that different than when these two teams played last year, and KP was a major factor? Aside from that, when he's on the perimeter, it seems he seldom receives the ball, even though he is probably our best 3 point shooter. Why was that? Aside from that, KP needs to move more without the ball, and make himself more available. I did see that happening more in game 7, but not enough.

It could be that Luka wasn't passing to him because that was seldom where the double teams were coming from. So, someone else was usually more open. BUT KP could just shoot over whoever was guarding him, as he did several times.

I'm assuming there aren't going to be huge changes in the roster for next year. However, even if there is, I'm not sure that changes this: RC needs to figure out how to make all this work, and get the players to buy into it, and execute it. If he can't, then maybe that's the roster change that is needed.

BPo001 · 06-08-2021, 12:39 PM

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Link?

https://www.audacy.com/1053thefan/sp...oEPRpFaxs15Wg4
https://www.audacy.com/1053thefan/sp...WhzuGc38KN2kkI

I didn’t listen, but looks like this might be from the interview this morning.

I’m on the fire Donnie train.

"And when things grind to more of a halt in the playoffs and it's a slugfest possession by possession-type deal ... It's easy to ascertain that maybe Luka could have, and it's not just KP, could have done a little bit better job in terms of delegation. And I think that's part of the maturing process. I think if you look at any great player in the early days (they want) to make every play and score every basket. But I think as you see Luka mature, he'll understand him getting 15 assists is going to be as important to us winning and involving his teammates. And I think that's just a part of him growing older and wiser."

Edit: might be the second link which has some quotes from the interview.

Melonhead · 06-07-2021, 07:12 PM

Donnie is an idiot. I’m on fire Donnie squad.

Dallas41 · 06-07-2021, 11:43 PM

It's so frustrating watching what C.Paul has done to help elevate the Suns so quickly.

And don't get me started on the Hawks

I'm so frustrated with Cuban and Donnie right now.

Sick of their annual company speech how they are always looking to be opportunistic and improve the team in the offseason

Sick of hearing the same damn speech

Zeus · 06-08-2021, 06:30 AM

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It's so frustrating watching what C.Paul has done to help elevate the Suns so quickly.

And don't get me started on the Hawks

I'm so frustrated with Cuban and Donnie right now.

Sick of their annual company speech how they are always looking to be opportunistic and improve the team in the offseason

Sick of hearing the same damn speech

Agree! Spotrac podcast (the guys that do all the contract tracking) yesterday were poking Cuban for trying to align his money with the free agency bonanzas that never come. Basically saying that Mavs failed to do anything in 2019 and 20 because they thought 21 would be the big free agency haul. Wow

Unicorn · 06-08-2021, 01:25 AM

I believe we can get Giannis, Bucks are going nowhere

Melonhead · 06-08-2021, 08:22 AM

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I believe we can get Giannis, Bucks are going nowhere

He just signed a max to stay. Maybe in 4 years we can get him. But first Bud is getting fired and they’ll get a new coach.

Dtownsfinest · 06-08-2021, 09:25 AM

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He just signed a max to stay. Maybe in 4 years we can get him. But first Bud is getting fired and they’ll get a new coach.

Yeah.....for Giannis to leave....a few things have to happen like you said.

Phase 1: Fire head coach
Phase 2: continue to recycle role players around Giannis
Phase 3: continue to recycle role players around Giannis
Phase 4: Fail at getting a big fish to play with Giannis
Phase 5: Contract is iup

Dtownsfinest · 06-08-2021, 09:24 AM

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I believe we can get Giannis, Bucks are going nowhere

How would you propose we get him?

Jayinem · 06-08-2021, 01:39 PM

KD left OKC because he couldn't win with Russ, KD
dallas-mavs.com board: let's team up Russ with Luka

Also if Harden and Russ were such a success, why aren't they still teammates? Russ didn't want to play with Harden anymore. And yet, he's going to want to play with Luka? Why? Maybe there's a chance everything would be fine but you have to look at someone's history and evaluate them based off that and don't risk turning your superstar into a malcontent.

What are the odds Luka, Russ and RC could all coexist for longer than half a season? There's a pattern with Russ either he wants out or his co-star wants out.

Sometimes you have to look past the fact that someone can put up numbers and think. Russell Westbrook is the Terrell Owens of basketball.

Dtownsfinest · 06-08-2021, 03:40 PM

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KD left OKC because he couldn't win with Russ, KD
dallas-mavs.com board: let's team up Russ with Luka

Also if Harden and Russ were such a success, why aren't they still teammates? Russ didn't want to play with Harden anymore. And yet, he's going to want to play with Luka? Why? Maybe there's a chance everything would be fine but you have to look at someone's history and evaluate them based off that and don't risk turning your superstar into a malcontent.

What are the odds Luka, Russ and RC could all coexist for longer than half a season? There's a pattern with Russ either he wants out or his co-star wants out.

Sometimes you have to look past the fact that someone can put up numbers and think. Russell Westbrook is the Terrell Owens of basketball.

KD left Russ because he wanted to go to the Warriors. Had nothing to do with Russell Westbrook's game...you guys will create any narrative you can to sound round. Just say you don't like Westbrook and keep it moving lol.

Dallas41 · 06-08-2021, 04:36 PM

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KD left Russ because he wanted to go to the Warriors. Had nothing to do with Russell Westbrook's game...you guys will create any narrative you can to sound round. Just say you don't like Westbrook and keep it moving lol.

Everyone keeps talking about Russ with OKC or Houston

Instead of asking themselves how Russ improve the mavs if he's playing the same exact role you asked Wright and then Ruchardson to play.

That question keeps getting ignored

Russ is by far a better talent than those two guys and in return I'd say he would have improved this team big team in number of areas

Rebounding
Perimeter defense
Secondary ball handler
Transition offense
Attack the rim/points in paint

Extra rest for Luka

Overall talent upgrade to the roster in general

But hey keep telling us what he did in OKC or Houston instead asking what he could have done that Wright & Richardson failed to do back to back years

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-08-2021, 04:47 PM

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Everyone keeps talking about Russ with OKC or Houston

Instead of asking themselves how Russ improve the mavs if he's playing the same exact role you asked Wright and then Ruchardson to play.

That question keeps getting ignored

Russ is by far a better talent than those two guys and in return I'd say he would have improved this team big team in number of areas

Rebounding
Perimeter defense
Secondary ball handler
Transition offense
Attack the rim/points in paint

Extra rest for Luka

Overall talent upgrade to the roster in general

But hey keep telling us what he did in OKC or Houston instead asking what he could have done that Wright & Richardson failed to do back to back years

As a hole that needs to be filled, I think you're right.

Unfortunately, you still have to deal with the same player that teams are giving up on as a guy needed to show up at the right time. And that contract is a serious problem.

If he was a FA and you could get him for a reasonable price, then I would consider it. The talent was never the question though. Westbrook can never get out of the way of Westbrook.

Dtownsfinest · 06-08-2021, 07:58 PM

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Everyone keeps talking about Russ with OKC or Houston

Instead of asking themselves how Russ improve the mavs if he's playing the same exact role you asked Wright and then Ruchardson to play.

That question keeps getting ignored

Russ is by far a better talent than those two guys and in return I'd say he would have improved this team big team in number of areas

Rebounding
Perimeter defense
Secondary ball handler
Transition offense
Attack the rim/points in paint

Extra rest for Luka

Overall talent upgrade to the roster in general

But hey keep telling us what he did in OKC or Houston instead asking what he could have done that Wright & Richardson failed to do back to back years

Exactly. I don't care what Russ did on other teams. I care about what he can offer the Mavs. And all of the above you listed are all positives.

Mavs fans have the nerve to be picky...for what? We don't even have anything worth trading so if the Wiz wouldn't mind taking a crappy contract back in return? Sure i'd do it. Wouldn't think twice about it. And if it failed? Oh well. At least we were trying to do SOMETHING.

Some Guy · 06-09-2021, 12:58 AM

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Exactly. I don't care what Russ did on other teams. I care about what he can offer the Mavs. And all of the above you listed are all positives.

Mavs fans have the nerve to be picky...for what? We don't even have anything worth trading so if the Wiz wouldn't mind taking a crappy contract back in return? Sure i'd do it. Wouldn't think twice about it. And if it failed? Oh well. At least we were trying to do SOMETHING.

Russ would bring a lot of what the Mavs need, but Washington gave up a first round pick to get him - I doubt they would just give him away.

Jayinem · 06-08-2021, 10:48 PM

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KD left Russ because he wanted to go to the Warriors. Had nothing to do with Russell Westbrook's game...you guys will create any narrative you can to sound round. Just say you don't like Westbrook and keep it moving lol.

I didn't make up any narrative they didn't even speak after he left for years and there was tension when they played. People like you who act like they know everything when your really know very little just ruin boards like this going after everything I say not giving me the right to even any thoughts of my own. I insulted you because you attacked me from the beginning on every thought I had. Not going to post here anymore, if it's not you it'll just be someone else.

Dtownsfinest · 06-09-2021, 11:20 AM

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I didn't make up any narrative they didn't even speak after he left for years and there was tension when they played. People like you who act like they know everything when your really know very little just ruin boards like this going after everything I say not giving me the right to even any thoughts of my own. I insulted you because you attacked me from the beginning on every thought I had. Not going to post here anymore, if it's not you it'll just be someone else.

I act like I know everything? That's exactly what you're doing. Except i'm using common sense and facts to come to my opinino you're using strictly lies and assumptions. You believe that if Russ and KD were better friends he would've chose the Thunder over the Warriors? Are you high or gullible?

And please find another board I could give a damn. I've encountered posts from you the past two days and you have posted nothing but lies in the two days that i've noticed. So sorry that your feelings are hurt that you can't take someone disagreeing with you but its probably for the best if you're that sensitive.