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Not my idea, but what would you guy's think of this trade? I think it's a little thin on the Mavs side, but you never know...
Celtics: Trade Ray Allen, Glen Davis, Tony Allen, Gabe Pruitt and Leon Powe Receive Josh Howard, DeSagana Diop, Marreese Speights, Louis Williams and Donyell Marshall Bobnets/Horncats: Trade Ray Felton, Nazr Mohammed, Sean May and Adam Morrison Receive Samuel Dalembert, Reggie Evans, Gabe Pruitt and Tony Allen Mavericks: Trade Josh Howard and DeSagana Diop Receive Ray Felton, Sean May and Adam Morrison Sixers Trade Marreese Speights, Louis Williams, Reggie Evans, Samuel Dalembert and Donyell Marshall Receive Ray Allen, Glen Davis, Leon Powe and Nazr Mohammed The Skinny: BOS: Acquire the high-usage, low-turnover play of Josh Howard. He has good size and can legitimately play both wing positions. Also get a mid-level salary locked into place that just so happens to be in the person of Diop: a defensive-minded, shotblocking/rebounding/lane-clogging center with a 7'6.5" wingspan and 9'5" standing reach. Williams provides the Celtics with a young combo-guard locked up at reasonable rates who has already shown the ability to eat possessions on a 2nd unit. Speights provides the Celtics with a long PF/C who hits the offensive glass, has shown some promise as a shotblocker and has displayed a mid-range game to go with his ability to finish at the rim. Marshall is just a throw-in to make the salaries match but, if need be, could be utilized. CHA: Acquire a legitimate shotblocking/rebounding center which would allow Okafor to play his more natural position of PF. Get a penetrator/defensive menace to play on the wing. Get a quickly-developing combo guard with high-upside to backup Augustin. Get a defender/rebounder to give them minutes in the frontcourt. DAL: Acquire a combo-guard to backup Kidd and Terry. He is also a legitimate option for a contract extension. Sean "Grimmace" May and Adam "Molestache" Morrison offer salary relief. PHI: Acquire a wing with outside shooting skills (an area in which they are severely lacking.) Acquire lower-priced, more offensively talented versions of Dalembert (Mohammed) and Evans (Powe.) |
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I think it's awesome, we should totally do this.
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01-14-2009, 10:36 AM
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Not a chance, no way I do this.
Felton for Diop is one thing. Howard for Morrison and May........No way. Might as well move Kidd as well, and start all over if you do this one. Total rebuild move.
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01-14-2009, 10:49 AM
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Hate this trade
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01-14-2009, 11:09 AM
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Rebuild move, without the Charlotte, Boston and Philly 1st forget it.
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01-14-2009, 11:24 AM
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There is absolutely no reason for Boston to blow anything up right now...lest give up one of their Big 3.
Come on now.
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 "I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all." Last edited by ty; 01-14-2009 at 11:24 AM. |
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01-14-2009, 11:37 AM
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Hey I'm a big Boston fan, and I'd consider this trade.
Perk/Davis KG/Powe Pierce/Allen Allen/Allen Rondo/House Perk/Diop KG/Speights Howard/Walker Pierce/Williams/House Rondo/House the team before and after the trade. The frontcourt length problem is solved. The best defense team in years replaces it weakest defensive link with a very strong defender. KG lights a fire under Howards as (not under his ganja) and he returns to his form from 2 seasons ago. Only problem is that Pierce and Howard would need to play heavy minutes. The celts are having another shot with the big three, probably even two other shots, but this trade might be an improvement. |
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"I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all." |
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01-14-2009, 12:21 PM
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Ofcourse he is great. But we must think about the future. We want to be like San antonio, not detroit, miami or Dallas
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Good luck with Josh Howard as your future...been there, done that.
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"I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all." |
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01-14-2009, 12:26 PM
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Trade is terrible for Dallas. We should get much more in return for Howard.
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01-14-2009, 12:52 PM
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thumbs down on the trade scenario.
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01-14-2009, 12:56 PM
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Not a good trade...
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01-14-2009, 01:01 PM
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Bad for Boston and Dallas. I'd rather keep Ray Allen than have Josh Howard, especially since both Josh and Pierce are 3's, and Ray Allen is their best clutch/pure shooter, and shares the ball as well. Boston has no reason to do anything, except to get some little depth they need on the bench, but not at the expense of Allen.
This trade for Dallas .. I dunno, not enough for giving up Josh. |
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01-14-2009, 01:28 PM
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He's a big Boston fan guys...
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"I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all." |
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01-14-2009, 01:40 PM
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If you wanted to do that, you could just trad Howard & Diop to Charlotte for Felton, May and Morrison--Charlotte does that deal easily.
But I hope the Mavs aren't so desperate yet as to make a trade this bad. May and Morrison look like complete busts to me. |
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01-14-2009, 02:36 PM
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Great trade, Dallas doesn't get raped. Great post.
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01-14-2009, 05:42 PM
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Damn some of you guy's seem more interested in breaking a guy down than discussing a trade. Must be the Texican way of live
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01-14-2009, 06:43 PM
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Tough love.
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"I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all." |
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01-14-2009, 08:29 PM
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no gerald wallace??
or ray allen?? mavs get ripped off
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01-15-2009, 07:36 AM
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Same guy, different but comparable trade, I gotta give the guy his credit because he puts a lot of time in his trades. He calls himself ANH2173 and is actif on celtic-nation.
Celtics Trade Ray Allen, Glen Davis, Eddie House and Tony Allen Receive Josh Howard, DeSagana Diop, Francisco Garcia and Kenny Thomas Mavericks Trade Josh Howard, James Singleton and DeSagana Diop Receive Ray Allen and Glen Davis Kings Trade Francisco Garcia and Kenny Thomas Receive Tony Allen, Eddie House and James Singleton The Skinny: BOS: Acquire, Howard, a floor spreader who can legitimately play both wing positions, rebounds, shoots the three and is priced reasonably for his skill set. Also get a defensive center, Diop, who blocks shots and rebounds. Get another floor spreader in Garcia with the size to cover both wing positions and the ability to dribble and set up the offense. And contrary to most, I think he is underrated as a defender. Lastly, the Celtics get a nice-sized contract that is set to be expiring next year. Thomas' contract, when added to Scalabrine's is ~$12M in expiring. Howard has a team option for a reasonable amount but could also be included to a team looking to shed a lot of salary. Those three players would total ~$22M in expirings. Really, this deal allows for maximum flexibility while also ensuring the Celtics have the pieces to remain highly competitive. DAL: Acquire another "star" to pair with Kidd and Nowitzki. Get a minimum-salaried bench interior player. SAC Shed ~$4.6M in 2009 salary. Shed ~$9.5M in 2010. Save ~$38M total from this one deal which I imagine would help a small market team that is currently in a rebuilding mold. I am not a big fan of trading Ray Allen, but a deal like this I could live with. My only concern is that Diop is playing like a pile of ****. But we only need him for about 15 minutes a game. Perk is young and Powe is used to playing center. |
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01-15-2009, 07:55 AM
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no i dont wanna give celtics jho so they can get better then they are.
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Any way we could get the Millers? (Brad and Mike)
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New York Knicks
Incoming Players Jason Kidd Salary: $21,372,000 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 8.5 REB: 6.5 AST: 8.2 PER: 16.43 Jerry Stackhouse Salary: $7,000,000 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 5.3 REB: 1.9 AST: 1.1 PER: 4.80 Outgoing Players: Stephon Marbury, Nate Robinson Dallas Mavericks Incoming Players Stephon Marbury Salary: $20,840,625 Years Remaining: 1 Brandon Rush Salary: $1,799,160 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 6.5 REB: 2.5 AST: 0.9 PER: 7.56 T.J. Ford Salary: $8,000,000 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 14.1 REB: 4.1 AST: 5.2 PER: 15.85 Outgoing Players: Jason Kidd, Jerry Stackhouse, Jose Juan Barea Indiana Pacers Incoming Players Nate Robinson Salary: $2,020,179 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 15.0 REB: 4.1 AST: 3.5 PER: 16.67 Photo: Jose Juan Barea Jose Juan Barea Salary: $1,500,000 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 7.0 REB: 2.3 AST: 3.3 PER: 12.39 Outgoing Players: Brandon Rush, T.J. Ford ford/marbury rush/jet howard/green dirk/bass damp/diop
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01-15-2009, 12:22 PM
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Indiana is getting screwed big time in that deal. Why would they give up Brandon Rush and TJ Ford for two midget point guards, neither of whom are anywhere close to being as good as TJ Ford?
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01-15-2009, 01:34 PM
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yeah...i think we need a trade that would make us no.1 or 2 contender.....
not mediocre
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01-15-2009, 08:17 PM
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yeah your right about Indiana not getting anything outta that... but i would give just about anything other than dirk to get TJ
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