2018 Free Agency / Armchair GM Thread

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Serious FA player for who? We weren’t getting Lebron / George anyways.


The more I think about it the more I prefer telling DeAndre to fuck off and picking up Favors on a large one-year deal.

I wanna tell Daj to fuck off period! I might let him apologize and then offer him a deal because on the court he would be the best fit of all followed closely by Capella.

[3_Ball]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I wanna tell Daj to fuck off period!...

SO THIS. I'm honestly shocked at the support DeAndre Jordan's possible signing has had among so many posters. I know most are thinking of what's best for the team now & still don't personally care for DeAndre Jordan.

The way I see it & you'll pardon my French, but that mother trucker can go lock himself in his basement & choke to death on Raising Cane's for all I give a flying F.

I'll be legit pissed at the Mavs if they sign him. F that dude til infinity!


Edit: Not only that. I'll lose some respect for the Mavs. It'd be like having a buddy who breaks up with his girlfriend or wife because she cheats on him, but then goes crawling back on his hands & knees for her to take him back. Hell no. Once a cheating P.O.S. always a cheating P.O.S. and DeAndre Jordan is a lying P.O.S. & always will be.

[Me.B]

Originally Posted by 3_Ball

SO THIS. I'm honestly shocked at the support DeAndre Jordan's possible signing has had among so many posters. I know most are thinking of what's best for the team now & still don't personally care for DeAndre Jordan.



The way I see it & you'll pardon my French, but that mother trucker can go lock himself in his basement & choke to death on Raising Cane's for all I give a flying F.



I'll be legit pissed at the Mavs if they sign him. F that dude til infinity!





Edit: Not only that. I'll lose some respect for the Mavs. It'd be like having a buddy who breaks up with his girlfriend or wife because she cheats on him, but then goes crawling back on his hands & knees for her to take him back. Hell no. Once a cheating P.O.S. always a cheating P.O.S. and DeAndre Jordan is a lying P.O.S. & always will be.

You’ll feel different when his rebounds are leading to exciting fast breaks for Doncic and Dennis.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by 3_Ball

SO THIS. I'm honestly shocked at the support DeAndre Jordan's possible signing has had among so many posters. I know most are thinking of what's best for the team now & still don't personally care for DeAndre Jordan.

The way I see it & you'll pardon my French, but that mother trucker can go lock himself in his basement & choke to death on Raising Cane's for all I give a flying F.

I'll be legit pissed at the Mavs if they sign him. F that dude til infinity!


Edit: Not only that. I'll lose some respect for the Mavs. It'd be like having a buddy who breaks up with his girlfriend or wife because she cheats on him, but then goes crawling back on his hands & knees for her to take him back. Hell no. Once a cheating P.O.S. always a cheating P.O.S. and DeAndre Jordan is a lying P.O.S. & always will be.

For context this is what I said, "I wanna tell Daj to fuck off period! I might let him apologize and then offer him a deal because on the court he would be the best fit of all followed closely by Capella."


I understand people not letting it go, everyone has a right to feel whatever for as long as they want. For me personally, I can move on if he were to come here and is a good person and busts his ass on the floor. It might take some time to be a fan, but I understand that he is probably the best fit of the available. He suffered quite a bit for his decision last year when he was abandoned and now he knows the closest thing to loyalty he has ever been is if Dirk was nice enough to be in a room with him during our previous meetings.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Serious FA player for who? We weren’t getting Lebron / George anyways.


The more I think about it the more I prefer telling DeAndre to fuck off and picking up Favors on a large one-year deal.

We could’ve had enough to offer Gordon and sign DJ. Or fill in the blank with whatever wing. I guess it’s possible LAC will take back Wes but not holding my breath

[mac222b]

I like Favors well enough but he’s always dinged up

[DevinHarriswillstart]

You know what Jordan is more than anything? Reliable. The guy has only missed 11 games in 6 seasons.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

You know what Jordan is more than anything? Reliable. The guy has only missed 11 games in 6 seasons.

Exactly. That definitely recommends DJ. Favors has never played a full season if I’m remembering right.

[Me.B]

Some info on Nurkic.

https://twitter.com/coopmavs/status/...027514880?s=21

[3_Ball]

Looking through that long list of contracts, I saw something interesting.

Myles Turner is a RFA next year. He'll be 23 years old and 2 months at the time the Mavs would be able to make him an offer.

Can't imagine why Indiana would let him get away. Turner was a comp often used for Jaren Jackson Jr & at just 22 yrs old right now, still has plenty of room to grow. He looked great in one game & pedestrian the next in his first round series with the Cavs this year.

That said, I much prefer that route than going with a guy like DeAndre Jordan, who besides being a lying P.O.S. turns 30 yrs old in 3 weeks or Boogie Cousins who turns 28 years old in 6 weeks (and won't be 100% healthy when he does).

[Bryan_Wilson]

I love Myles Turner. But we are on some serious drugs if anyone thinks he's not getting matched lmao.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Barnes was 38% from 3 after they moved him to the 3 the last 19 or so games he played. Also was a 21ppg scorer. I'm fine with Barnes, he helps DSJ and Doncic not have too much to carry at 20 and 19yrs old. I was fine with trading him if it led to us getting us a top 7 pick or so by taking back salary as well in this last loaded draft. The real question will be how much he wants when he is a free agent in 2 years. But as of now we need a 20 ppg guy who will take pressure off the kids who need to develop. We don't want Doncic and DSJ to feel they have to shoulder more than what they already are going to be. He also is a champion and carries himself very well on and off the court.

So if Matthews is finally back to a 38% 3pt shooter(like he was last year) and Barnes is going to be a 38% 3pt shooter now that he's back to playing his more comfortable 3 position then they are great for Doncic and DSJ when they break a defense down. They are both good defenders as well, not elite but they help them on that end as well. And we aren't married to either of them beyond this year(wes) and next year(po Barnes). Marcus Smart on the other hand would require 15m+ for 3-4 years, at least according to how he values himself, and provide literally nothing for them on offense.

[tap2390]

I would prefer exploring a trade with the Magic for Bismack Biyombo over any of our other center options other than Capela. Bismack is as realizable as Jordan when it comes to staying healthy, but he’s also far younger and still has some upside. He’d be on the books for two years at $17 million a piece, so maybe we could get the Magic to give us a second round pick or two for taking on his salary.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by tap2390

I would prefer exploring a trade with the Magic for Bismack Biyombo over any of our other center options other than Capela. Bismack is as realizable as Jordan when it comes to staying healthy, but he’s also far younger and still has some upside. He’d be on the books for two years at $17 million a piece, so maybe we could get the Magic to give us a second round pick or two for taking on his salary.

34 million for 3 centers, AG due about 25 million for a max deal....and a major, major need at the PG spot....so help them out by taking 17 million off their hands....definitely worth a 2nd...or 2 of them.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by tap2390

I would prefer exploring a trade with the Magic for Bismack Biyombo over any of our other center options other than Capela. Bismack is as realizable as Jordan when it comes to staying healthy, but he’s also far younger and still has some upside. He’d be on the books for two years at $17 million a piece, so maybe we could get the Magic to give us a second round pick or two for taking on his salary.

Not wasting 17m during TWO FA periods for freaking BB

[3_Ball]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Barnes was 38% from 3 after they moved him to the 3 the last 19 or so games he played. Also was a 21ppg scorer. I'm fine with Barnes, he helps DSJ and Doncic not have too much to carry at 20 and 19yrs old. I was fine with trading him if it led to us getting us a top 7 pick or so by taking back salary as well in this last loaded draft. The real question will be how much he wants when he is a free agent in 2 years. But as of now we need a 20 ppg guy who will take pressure off the kids who need to develop. We don't want Doncic and DSJ to feel they have to shoulder more than what they already are going to be. He also is a champion and carries himself very well on and off the court.

So if Matthews is finally back to a 38% 3pt shooter(like he was last year) and Barnes is going to be a 38% 3pt shooter now that he's back to playing his more comfortable 3 position then they are great for Doncic and DSJ when they break a defense down. They are both good defenders as well, not elite but they help them on that end as well. And we aren't married to either of them beyond this year(wes) and next year(po Barnes). Marcus Smart on the other hand would require 15m+ for 3-4 years, at least according to how he values himself, and provide literally nothing for them on offense.

Yeah folks here have changed my opinion on Marcus Smart. Do NOT want. Making Wes Matthews & Harrison Barnes better because they're more desirable than Smart is a pretty low bar.

You're right. Wes is coming off the books soon, so he's not a major concern. He might not even start or get substantial minutes this season, anyways, or be healthy. Who knows.

Barnes playing the 3. So, what if that's where Luka is the best fit at? I realize we're in a positionless NBA now, but should Luka be trying to blow past 6-3 guards like Avery Bradley just because Barnes is more comfortable at the 3? Does that make the team better overall? I don't have the answer, but they seem like reasonable questions.

I get what you're saying. I like Barnes as a person & a player, but when you look at the current NBA market place, you can get a lot better of a player for $24.1 mil per season. Barnes isn't the only 20 ppg scorer on that list that can take some pressure off DSJ & Doncic. Also, I think Barnes has regressed as a defender. Counting stats aren't everything, but it does say something that he didn't even average 1.0 combined steals & blocks last year. Only the slowest (and often times Whitest) players in the league do that. JJ Redick for example. It's only maybe 6-7 guys in the top 100 of minutes played that are that bad at collecting steals & blocks. Very hard to argue Barnes has a significant impact as a defender. He use to when he was in Golden State, but he seems to have left that vigor for the defensive end of the court behind.

I understand what you're saying about Barnes having championship pedigree. He is a terrific mentor for our young guys. Don't mind him at all when it comes to that & we're not one player away, so it doesn't bother me all that much we're "overpaying" Barnes right now. The organization loves him & I can only assume for very good reason. That said, the real question is "Is Harrison Barnes the best player to lead us to our next championship?" I tend to think no. Don't necessarily see him stepping down to say $15 mil per year to stay in Dallas. Anything much more than that for his next contract & I'm very willing to part ways.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by 3_Ball

Yeah folks here have changed my opinion on Marcus Smart. Do NOT want. Making Wes Matthews & Harrison Barnes better because they're more desirable than Smart is a pretty low bar.

You're right. Wes is coming off the books soon, so he's not a major concern. He might not even start or get substantial minutes this season, anyways, or be healthy. Who knows.

Barnes playing the 3. So, what if that's where Luka is the best fit at? I realize we're in a positionless NBA now, but should Luka be trying to blow past 6-3 guards like Avery Bradley just because Barnes is more comfortable at the 3? Does that make the team better overall? I don't have the answer, but they seem like reasonable questions.

I get what you're saying. I like Barnes as a person & a player, but when you look at the current NBA market place, you can get a lot better of a player for $24.1 mil per season. Barnes isn't the only 20 ppg scorer on that list that can take some pressure off DSJ & Doncic. Also, I think Barnes has regressed as a defender. Counting stats aren't everything, but it does say something that he didn't even average 1.0 combined steals & blocks last year. Only the slowest (and often times Whitest) players in the league do that. JJ Redick for example. It's only maybe 6-7 guys in the top 100 of minutes played that are that bad at collecting steals & blocks. Very hard to argue Barnes has a significant impact as a defender. He use to when he was in Golden State, but he seems to have left that vigor for the defensive end of the court behind.

I understand what you're saying about Barnes having championship pedigree. He is a terrific mentor for our young guys. Don't mind him at all when it comes to that & we're not one player away, so it doesn't bother me all that much we're "overpaying" Barnes right now. The organization loves him & I can only assume for very good reason. That said, the real question is "Is Harrison Barnes the best player to lead us to our next championship?" I tend to think no. Don't necessarily see him stepping down to say $15 mil per year to stay in Dallas. Anything much more than that for his next contract & I'm very willing to part ways.

Well I don't think anyone here thinks he will "lead us to our next championship". But if we had 24m to spare right here right now instead of Barnes does PG13 come here to join 2 rookies? How long away development wise are we from competing? I'm just saying that having him for 2 years is pretty meaningless to me. And I agree if he doesn't come down in price in 2 years then that's that. I'm pretty sure he's a smart guy though, he only got that money because the market was wonky. It's stabilized in recent years.

But assuming we lose our pick to Atlanta like we plan to, then next year we have a 1st available to us for trade and Barnes will be an expiring after he opts in, an expiring of over 24m. Pair that with a first and you have some interesting possibilities. Maybe CJ McCollum is on the block because he doesn't fit with Lillard. Maybe the Mavs want to be stupid and go for BG32 since he's stupidly overpaid(not a fan but w/e). Maybe Gordon is on the block for orlando after they match his salary this off season and they find out they can't play Isaac and Gordon together. Lots of possibilities really Idk, but we can't just have blank cap space with rookies and expect to lure free agents when we can't win games since we aren't using cap space. Not even the quality role player signings because why would they come here over a better team when we aren't wanting to overpay? Just saying he's not a negative asset, and when he's an expiring he will be a positive asset imo. And we could always sign a max player next off season and trade Barnes expiring with a first to pair him with something that fits better. Something we wouldn't be able to do with just cap space.

[EricaLubarsky]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...ons-every-team

[DevinHarriswillstart]

It would be fascinating to say the least if DAJ came here because he would almost undoubtedly start over Dirk. Talk about controversial.

Nobody wants DAJ other than his perfect fit here. Winning trumps all and he would catapult the Mavs to playoff contention. They DESPERATELY need his rebounding. Can't just be some ok rebounder there. They HAVE to have a center that sucks them down in Rick's system.

[EricaLubarsky]

Hate the player

Also hate being dead last (30th) in rebound percentage. We were literally the worst team in the league at pulling down rebounds last year and have been in the bottom 5 for a couple of years.

Jordan was the single best rebounder both per minute and per available rebound in the NBA.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Hate the player

Also hate being dead last (30th) in rebound percentage. We were literally the worst team in the league at pulling down rebounds last year and have been in the bottom 5 for a couple of years.

Jordan was the single best rebounder both per minute and per available rebound in the NBA.

Again, i dont want success at any price.

Trading Barnes for Harden? Fuck no, i couldnt enjoy my team anymore.

Same with Jordan. I MAY consider it if he agrees to apologize in the public about his behaviour. If he isnt willing to do it or think its not necessary, then again: he can fuck off.

[Melonhead]

In quick turnaround, Mavs withdraw their QO to Mcdermott. They have interest in retaining him, but this makes it easier to clear his 10m cap hold. Also makes him UFA.

From lowe twitter


Hi Cousins or DAJ...

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

In quick turnaround, Mavs withdraw their QO to Mcdermott. They have interest in retaining him, but this makes it easier to clear his 10m cap hold. Also makes him UFA.

From lowe twitter


Hi Cousins or DAJ...

Yeah thats smart because after blewing their cap, they still can offer McDermott the exception of 4.7m. And i dont think he is worth more than that right now.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Yeah thats smart because after blewing their cap, they still can offer McDermott the exception of 4.7m. And i dont think he is worth more than that right now.

Agreed, he isn't worth 10 million, but 4.7 sure.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

In quick turnaround, Mavs withdraw their QO to Mcdermott. They have interest in retaining him, but this makes it easier to clear his 10m cap hold. Also makes him UFA.

From lowe twitter


Hi Cousins or DAJ...

Please be DAJ and not Boogie. No more achilles injuries

[Me.B]

I would rather have Capela but it would be a very long shot at best to acquire him. The next best option (that is available) is Deandre. With Dennis and Doncic this is going to be a fast break team. You can’t fast break if you can get rebounds and DJ is the best rebounder in the NBA. I agree that winning trumps all.

[Kidd Karma]

What about a no defense one knee Jabari Parker? Doubtful Milwaukee will match anything above 18 million per, they offered him 3-54 about a year ago....so 3-4 years should cinch the deal....

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

What about a no defense one knee Jabari Parker? Doubtful Milwaukee will match anything above 18 million per, they offered him 3-54 about a year ago....so 3-4 years should cinch the deal....

Yea especially if we got Daj. He would probably stay in place of Powell at the 4.
Dsj/ seth jj brunson
Doncic/ wes
Barnes dfs buckets
Powell/parker dirk
Daj. / Motley
Looks significantly improved.

[tap2390]

No matter what we will be able to clear a ton of cap space in 2019.

I think a S&T deal of Yogi Ferrell (3 yrs, 20 million) for Bismack & 2 2nd round picks makes a lot of sense. Mavs address a need and take on a bad contract to get picks. Magic get a competent point guard which they desperately need. Yogi gets paid.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by tap2390

No matter what we will be able to clear a ton of cap space in 2019.

I think a S&T deal of Yogi Ferrell (3 yrs, 20 million) for Bismack & 2 2nd round picks makes a lot of sense. Mavs address a need and take on a bad contract to get picks. Magic get a competent point guard which they desperately need. Yogi gets paid.

Biyombo is trash for the contract he got. Did you see him play last season.

EDIT: the need would not be addressed.

[Melonhead]

DSJ, Barea, Brunson
Wes, Doncic,
Barnes, Doncic,
Dirk, Powell
DAJ, Dirk, Motley

Man I dont want to see Dirk coming off the bench.

[CanadianMavsFan]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

DSJ, Barea, Brunson
Wes, Doncic,
Barnes, Doncic,
Dirk, Powell
DAJ, Dirk, Motley

Man I dont want to see Dirk coming off the bench.

Pretty confident Dirk will be starting (and playing 20-25mpg) whatever happens.

I think Doncic starts over Wes as well. That sets up a nice second unit that can score.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

DSJ, Barea, Brunson
Wes, Doncic,
Barnes, Doncic,
Dirk, Powell
DAJ, Dirk, Motley

Man I dont want to see Dirk coming off the bench.

Lol but you want Wes starting over our top pick? Not happening. Per me... and per carlisle

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Lol but you want Wes starting over our top pick? Not happening. Per me... and per carlisle

I dont want anything. But Carlisle isnt sitting a player making Wes money I promise you that. Other bodies may need to be moved around.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

I dont want anything. But Carlisle isnt sitting a player making Wes money I promise you that. Other bodies may need to be moved around.

That's a bad promise imo. Wes is near trash. Powell got overpaid and he wasnt s starter

[sefant77]

DAJ cant defend at the perimeter for Dirk...

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I think it's just because it's close to FA. DAJ to Dallas is anything but a sure thing. Mavs are going to be aggressive signing someone though.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Well i didn't mean a sure thing I ment more like our priority target shifted/was decided. My bad.

[saclare]

Doncic is going to start, or something went horribly wrong in camp and he looks terrible. Super unlikely.

If you wouldn't trade Barnes for Harden, you're fooling yourself.

And I'm 100% behind signing DAJ because I don't hold grudges nor care what happened 3 years ago. I'd actually thank him for now having DSJ and Doncic, and playing the long con by signing with us.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by saclare

If you wouldn't trade Barnes for Harden, you're fooling yourself.

I didnt say they wouldnt do this trade. I said if i have the choice as fan i dont make the trade because i couldnt enjoy the success of my team anymore.