Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread - Page 19 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Dallas41 · 06-12-2023, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

People way overblow this "we need to please Luka now" stuff. Never seen a single indication that Luka wants out under any circumstance.

If Bilal is the future OG, then that's better than giving up all your assets to get today's OG.

Your right no one has seen Luka specifically say he wants out

But there are several nba media heads throwing it out there and usually where there's smoke there's a fire shortly to follow.

I personally wouldn't take a chance on upsetting Luka because we don't know what he'll do if he thinks this team isn't capable of competing next year

BREAKING: NBA Executives believes that if the Mavs fail to bring back Kyrie Irving or sign a key free agent, Luka Don?ic will request a trade to a competitive franchise.

(via. HotHoops)

SMC0007 · 06-12-2023, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Your right no one has seen Luka specifically say he wants out

But there are several nba media heads throwing it out there and usually where there's smoke there's a fire shortly to follow.

I personally wouldn't take a chance on upsetting Luka because we don't know what he'll do if he thinks this team isn't capable of competing next year

BREAKING: NBA Executives believes that if the Mavs fail to bring back Kyrie Irving or sign a key free agent, Luka Don?ic will request a trade to a competitive franchise.

(via. HotHoops)

BREAKING NEWS - Via Obvious Hoops

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-12-2023, 10:04 PM

Luka mad if team bad. Got it.

At least the Heat got their asses kicked again.

tap2390 · 06-12-2023, 10:30 PM

There?s always speculation about stars wanting out? remember Giannis? 99% of it is BS.

Zeus · 06-12-2023, 10:36 PM

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I'm getting more and more attached to the idea of just drafting Lively at 10 and be done with it.

Find another rotational caliber big wing defender in some combination of a THJ/Bertans/2027 FRP trade and go with that.

Resign Holiday, Frank and Morris as insurance on min contracts and maybe pick up Azubuike on a min contract for center insurance.

Luka/Wright/Frank
Kyrie/Hardy/Holiday
Green/Bullock/Lawson
?/Maxi/Morris
Lively/Azubuike/McGee

Wow that is a horrible team

rimrocker · 06-13-2023, 03:15 AM

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Wow that is a horrible team

Maybe so, but at least it is one with an upside.
Mavs are 3 pieces away from being anything close to a contender so I'd rather take my chances with youth, than throw away another pick on a vet with baggage like we did with FR picks in 21, 22, 24 and 29 and several 2nd rounders.

The few picks we have made since 2018 have turned out pretty well for us. Ugh

Zeus · 06-13-2023, 07:38 AM

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Maybe so, but at least it is one with an upside.
Mavs are 3 pieces away from being anything close to a contender so I'd rather take my chances with youth, than throw away another pick on a vet with baggage like we did with FR picks in 21, 22, 24 and 29 and several 2nd rounders.

The few picks we have made since 2018 have turned out pretty well for us. Ugh

I don't disagree that I would rather go with youth. My comment is more about where the Mavs manage to box themselves into a corner than a commentary that it was a bad idea on your part. Get superstar in 2018, and then manage to make every wrong move from a team building perspective so you find yourself in a position with not a lot of talent with no assets. Nice combo platter

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-13-2023, 11:05 AM

Well all the Aaron Gordon fans were right about him. That has me back on the Hendricks train, but I see no way he makes it to 10.

As we all know, the Mavs need a starting 3, 4, and 5. There is no way they achieve all three this offseason.

You can fill in for the 3 and 4, but the 5 HAS to be addressed.

rimrocker · 06-13-2023, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well all the Aaron Gordon fans were right about him. That has me back on the Hendricks train, but I see no way he makes it to 10.

As we all know, the Mavs need a starting 3, 4, and 5. There is no way they achieve all three this offseason.

You can fill in for the 3 and 4, but the 5 HAS to be addressed.

Completely agree.
That #10 pick has to yield a center one way or another.

It sucks because we're in a position that almost forces us to draft need over BPA.

I think it's all a moot point though because Cuban most likely tanked for the trade asset.

rimrocker · 06-13-2023, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

I don't disagree that I would rather go with youth. My comment is more about where the Mavs manage to box themselves into a corner than a commentary that it was a bad idea on your part. Get superstar in 2018, and then manage to make every wrong move from a team building perspective so you find yourself in a position with not a lot of talent with no assets. Nice combo platter

The reason I'd rather just take Lively is because we desperately need a center and several of the names connected to us through the rumor mill would seem to come with some baggage or concerns.
Turner seems to miss a lot of games, Ayton seems to be a major bust, Capela is nearly 30, and Allen seems a bit undersized

BPo001 · 06-13-2023, 09:03 PM

Mavs and Nuggets title runs are very similar.

1. Both led by European stars
2. Both with zero all star teammates
3. Both beat KD in the playoffs
4. Both swept the Lakers
5. Both beat the Heat in the finals
6. Both teams first championship

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-13-2023, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Mavs and Nuggets title runs are very similar.

1. Both led by European stars
2. Both with zero all star teammates
3. Both beat KD in the playoffs
4. Both swept the Lakers
5. Both beat the Heat in the finals
6. Both teams first championship

We woulda won it all last year if we didn't have Powell as our starting center. I'll take it to my grave that we need to get rid of that guy.

I can accept many ups and downs, but Kidd as coach and Powell at center...no.

SMC0007 · 06-13-2023, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

We woulda won it all last year if we didn't have Powell as our starting center. I'll take it to my grave that we need to get rid of that guy.

I can accept many ups and downs, but Kidd as coach and Powell at center...no.

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Zeus · 06-14-2023, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well all the Aaron Gordon fans were right about him. That has me back on the Hendricks train, but I see no way he makes it to 10.

As we all know, the Mavs need a starting 3, 4, and 5. There is no way they achieve all three this offseason.

You can fill in for the 3 and 4, but the 5 HAS to be addressed.

Amazingly enough, Cuban and the "brain" trust haven't been able to fill the 3, 4 and 5 position since realizing they had a generational talent 5 years ago. I suppose better late than never but we are getting pretty close to never in the Luka era.

Zeus · 06-14-2023, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

We woulda won it all last year if we didn't have Powell as our starting center. I'll take it to my grave that we need to get rid of that guy.

I can accept many ups and downs, but Kidd as coach and Powell at center...no.

So does this mean the Nuggets owner will misinterpret the implications of a new CBA and dismantle the team and try to stockpile dry powder for over a half decade in an ill fated attempt to build through superstar free agency? If so then the Mavs have a chance in the West the next few years.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-14-2023, 09:44 AM

Daily trade idea which apparently has sources...

https://twitter.com/GrantAfseth/stat...80544426713088

THJ/10 for Bojan/31. Hell no, and I'm a big Bojan fan.

saclare · 06-14-2023, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Daily trade idea which apparently has sources...

https://twitter.com/GrantAfseth/stat...80544426713088

THJ/10 for Bojan/31. Hell no, and I'm a big Bojan fan.

Was coming here to post this, but hell to the no. I'm not sure THJ straight up for Bojan makes sense, but using the 10th pick in this type of trade? Garbage.

tap2390 · 06-14-2023, 09:59 AM

Nico has emphasized maximizing value since he's been here -- Hardy, Wood, etc. I can't see him replacing THJ with a taller THJ at that price.

SMC0007 · 06-14-2023, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Nico has emphasized maximizing value since he's been here -- Hardy, Wood, etc. I can't see him replacing THJ with a taller THJ at that price.

This means that Kidd said thanks for your hard work Nico, but not thanks, He can ride pine.

I personally think Bojan is more than a taller THJ. That gap may be shortening with his age but he offers a bit more than THJ. Definitely not worth the difference between 10 and 31st pick.

BPo001 · 06-14-2023, 11:34 AM

Imagine tanking to trade for a 34 year old. I like Bojan, but not for the pick.

EricaLubarsky · 06-14-2023, 11:41 AM

8 days

We may have a trade lined up but nothing can be announced until draft day

sig · 06-14-2023, 12:01 PM

I wonder what Pels want for Zion. It's a risk with injuries and salary but not much different than Embiid. If they want out from his contract then matching salary and pick 10?

saclare · 06-14-2023, 01:04 PM

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I wonder what Pels want for Zion. It's a risk with injuries and salary but not much different than Embiid. If they want out from his contract then matching salary and pick 10?

I'd be down for the risk. He would fit a lot of what we need and the upside is tantalizing. Can he stay healthy and on the floor? Embiid was able to stay in shape and keep the pounds off with his injuries.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-14-2023, 01:29 PM

Biggest problem with trading with bad teams is the inflated stats unkown. Bojan looks like Jordan on that team because they suck.

Similar issue with Duren who I'd obviously rather have. Is he going to be a great center or just a decent 10/9 guy for a bad team?

You can't just trade the 10th pick for any semi-decent deal. You trade it for the farm or keep it.

sig · 06-14-2023, 01:54 PM

I know these reports of trades and what teams want to do can be smoke for just plain fake.

I only mentioned Zion because of some article that they'd rather move on from him than trade Ingram. They may not want to do either. Not Mavs related but I think the Wiz should offer Beal.

Now I also see article Warriors want to move up in draft and are using Kaminga as bait to move up. I know there is some negativity about Kaminga in this thread but i like him. I'd certainly offer up 10 and McGee/Bullock for Kaminga and 19 to see if they would take it. The trade checker on Spotrac indicates Bullock for Kuminga is valid as it only uses what Bullock is guaranteed. Trades with GS are tricky with both teams cap restrictions.

saclare · 06-14-2023, 04:48 PM

One thing is for certain, I'm tired of seeing half-baked, shit-house trade ideas from seemingly everywhere. Since when are there so many terrible-take-filled Mavs fan twitter accounts and how did they get such a following? Lol I can't wait for the draft to be over and we know some sort of direction...

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-14-2023, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

One thing is for certain, I'm tired of seeing half-baked, shit-house trade ideas from seemingly everywhere. Since when are there so many terrible-take-filled Mavs fan twitter accounts and how did they get such a following? Lol I can't wait for the draft to be over and we know some sort of direction...

A top ten pick is one of the most valuable assets in the NBA, so unless it's a huge, one-sided trade, then I doubt the Mavs do it.

mac222b · 06-14-2023, 06:34 PM

I like Bojan but he?s about to be 35 and has really slipped defensively. Moving THJ and 10 for him would be a terrible use of assets.

BPo001 · 06-14-2023, 10:56 PM

Is anyone surprised Beal took the Superman, and is now on the trade block?

SMC0007 · 06-15-2023, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by saclare

One thing is for certain, I'm tired of seeing half-baked, shit-house trade ideas from seemingly everywhere. Since when are there so many terrible-take-filled Mavs fan twitter accounts and how did they get such a following? Lol I can't wait for the draft to be over and we know some sort of direction...

Twitter is full of kids and noobs. They don't know the difference between 2k and real life.

tap2390 · 06-15-2023, 07:56 AM

ONE WEEK.

Most likely pick: Dereck Lively

Wild card: Bilal Coulibaly

Odds of trade down: 20%

Odds of trade out: 10%

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-15-2023, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Is anyone surprised Beal took the Superman, and is now on the trade block?

Beal has long been overrated. Can't believe a guy on a team that was 10 games below .500 has a no-trade clause.

What team gives up the farm for a guy that misses 30-40 games a year?

BPo001 · 06-15-2023, 08:37 AM

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Beal has long been overrated. Can't believe a guy on a team that was 10 games below .500 has a no-trade clause.

What team gives up the farm for a guy that misses 30-40 games a year?

That no trade clause gives him a say in where he ends up. I agree though between his ridiculous contract and the amount of games he misses every year I?d be surprised if Wash gets a massive haul for him. They aren?t getting a Gobert or Donovan Mitchell like haul for him IMO.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-15-2023, 10:11 AM

Lively does seem more and more likely to be the pick provided Hendricks and Walker are gone.

Don't think the Mavs can trade back to get him with his stock rising. Doubt he makes it past 15.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-15-2023, 11:34 AM

Looks like there is smoke with the Hawks thing except with Collins instead of Capela.

https://twitter.com/GrantAfseth/stat...68912100708352

Problem is the Mavs likely still want Lively, and I doubt he makes it that far at this point. I'm sure they want to pair Collins with Lively.

EricaLubarsky · 06-15-2023, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I like Bojan but he?s about to be 35 and has slipped defensively. Moving THJ and 10 for him would be a terrible use of assets.

This.

I would do the THJ part in a second. The pick though? One of two FRPs we can trade for a guy who may or may not contribute while not addressing our PF/C issues?

You can never have enough shooting, sure. But if we were 20th in rebounding% instead of 30th, we'd have had 6 more wins and been the 6 seed. If we were somehow top 10, we'd have had HCA. Rebounding is THAT important and our rebounding was THAT bad.

sig · 06-15-2023, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Looks like there is smoke with the Hawks thing except with Collins instead of Capela.

https://twitter.com/GrantAfseth/stat...68912100708352

Problem is the Mavs likely still want Lively, and I doubt he makes it that far at this point. I'm sure they want to pair Collins with Lively.

I don't think not getting Lively would be a deal breaker. He fills a need but may not be best on board at 15. I'd jump on Collins and 15 for 10 and Bertans.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-15-2023, 01:36 PM

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I don't think not getting Lively would be a deal breaker. He fills a need but may not be best on board at 15. I'd jump on Collins and 15 for 10 and Bertans.

Would you? I feel Collins objectively had a worse season than Wood and costs you 25 mil per.

But getting the 15th as well is still desirable.

Still would rather do it for Capela over Collins.

I do think this will be the draft night type of deal though if a trade happens. Our pick/bad contract for a lesser pick/usable player.

MFFL · 06-15-2023, 02:23 PM

We have a bad contract in Bertans but a good pick. We would be acquiring a WORSE contract in Collins and a worse pick. I'm not very interested in this deal.

Bertans/10 for Capela/15? Yes please!

EricaLubarsky · 06-15-2023, 02:29 PM

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Would you? I feel Collins objectively had a worse season than Wood and costs you 25 mil per.

But getting the 15th as well is still desirable.

Still would rather do it for Capela over Collins.

I do think this will be the draft night type of deal though if a trade happens. Our pick/bad contract for a lesser pick/usable player.

Every year since his big contract, he's gotten worse, and at least stats say that Wood is the much superior player in terms of offense and rebounding. Could be that he just hates Atlanta and playing next to Young (which is understandable), but there's nothing that says he will be happier here.

Then again, this isn't Wood for Collins. Wood's locker is all but cleared out and without him, Bertans is penciled in as our starter. We are desperate for a half-decent PF. If we still get our guy at 15, then we got something for nothing. It's not like Bertans will contribute consistently for us. We absolutely need to maximize assets and this is one of those types of moves.

You are 100% right, though that Collins has been trash. He's no longer the 25-12 guy who gets it at 60%/40%/83%.