Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by sig

Can the Mavs get Kuzma for FRP in 2027 and matching salary? Wiz seem to be playing the game of taking on salary if they get picks.

Possible, but I don't know how likely. He just turned down 13 and is looking for 33mill (max). We would need:

1) Kuzma to be in. He's a UFA now and most likely has a max offer from the Kings. He would have to want to be here.

2) Wizards would have to be in. The FRP is nice for them, but would they want what we have to offer? If they let him walk, they clear a lot of cap. If they SnT him, they'd have to take back 30 mill in contracts roughly. That's THJ/Wood, THJ/Kleber, or THJ/Bullock. THJ/Wood could be really entertaining scoring it while they rebuild. Bullock is expiring after this season so he's a nice piece they could also flip.

3) A third team to assist- we'd almost certainly need a third team because of BYC. What would they want to help us?

4) Mavs to be in. We'd lose our last available FRP to trade. We'd lose the MLE. We'd lose some guys we (and Kyrie) loves like THJ. We'd then have three max contracts.

So...maybe?

[EricaLubarsky]

Roster under contract as of 6/23
Lively/McGee/???
Prosper/Kleber/Holmes
THJ/Green/Bullock
Hardy/???/???
Luka/???/???

Free agents: Kyrie, Wood, Powell, Morris, Frank, Theo, Holiday

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Roster under contract as of 6/23
Lively/McGee/???
Prosper/Kleber/Holmes
THJ/Green/Bullock
Hardy/???/???
Luka/???/???

Free agents: Kyrie, Wood, Powell, Morris, Frank, Theo, Holiday

Kyrie and Powell

They might do Theo for vibes but I hope not.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by sig

I probabaly would of taken Miller or TJD over Prosper but Prosper is legity prospect whose scouting report sounds like DFS. I'd try to get H Barnes before G. Williams.

No way. Prosper is clearly the best pure on ball defender left when they took him. Great pick who might see more time early on than Lively. The Mavs have completely overhauled their roster and went young in one draft.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Zeus

No way. Prosper is clearly the best pure on ball defender left when they took him. Great pick who might see more time early on than Lively. The Mavs have completely overhauled their roster and went young in one draft.

Yeah but Miller is a far superior rebounder. I'm willing to give Prosper the benefit until he plays, but I'd have taken Miller.

Back to Barnes...I'd try a s&t of THJ for him if possible. That might make a lot of sense for both teams.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Roster under contract as of 6/23
Lively/McGee/???
Prosper/Kleber/Holmes
THJ/Green/Bullock
Hardy/???/???
Luka/???/???

Free agents: Kyrie, Wood, Powell, Morris, Frank, Theo, Holiday

Let's just go ahead and assume Kyrie re-signs, which I think is a pretty safe bet at this point considering nobody else seems particularly interested.

Then our lineup so far looks like

Luka/???
Kyrie/Hardy
Green/THJ/Prosper
Maxi/Bullock
Lively/Holmes

It seems we could use a backup PG, maybe another big just for insurance in case Lively is too raw and Holmes is totally washed. It'll be really interesting to see what the Mavs do with the MLE, and/or if they manage to pull off another trade.

But man, this roster is shaping up nicely. If Green and Hardy continue developing on the trajectory showed last year, this could be a real bounce-back year for the Mavs. Both of those young guys were my sole reasons for hope at the end of the season. I feel like Hardy could be a legit star in the making, and Green could be an Iguodala-like franchise cornerstone. If these guys are actually as good as they looked at the end of last year, a Luka/Green/Hardy nucleus could be something special to build around for years to come.

The only huge if (and I do mean HUGE) is if Luka and Kyrie can make it work together. If they can do that, I can easily see this being a 55-ish win team again.

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Let's just go ahead and assume Kyrie re-signs, which I think is a pretty safe bet at this point considering nobody else seems particularly interested.

Then our lineup so far looks like

Luka/???
Kyrie/Hardy
Green/THJ/Prosper
Maxi/Bullock
Lively/Holmes

It seems we could use a backup PG, maybe another big just for insurance in case Lively is too raw and Holmes is totally washed. It'll be really interesting to see what the Mavs do with the MLE, and/or if they manage to pull off another trade.

But man, this roster is shaping up nicely. If Green and Hardy continue developing on the trajectory showed last year, this could be a real bounce-back year for the Mavs. Both of those young guys were my sole reasons for hope at the end of the season. I feel like Hardy could be a legit star in the making, and Green could be an Iguodala-like franchise cornerstone. If these guys are actually as good as they looked at the end of last year, a Luka/Green/Hardy nucleus could be something special to build around for years to come.

The only huge if (and I do mean HUGE) is if Luka and Kyrie can make it work together. If they can do that, I can easily see this being a 55-ish win team again.

No need for backup PG - stagger Luka/Kyrie rest times so one of them is always out there, and/or time to let Hardy/Green run the show some and develop their skills there.

Would be nice to have a bigger wing

Did you leave Powell/Mcgee off the list on purpose?

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Scoobay

No need for backup PG - stagger Luka/Kyrie rest times so one of them is always out there, and/or time to let Hardy/Green run the show some and develop their skills there.

I guess I'm still a little nervous because none of those guys are true point guards, so I wouldn't mind having a backup. But you're right, it's not an absolutely gaping hole in the roster like it has been in recent years.

Would be nice to have a bigger wing

Agreed. If we can manage to move THJ for another two-way wing, I'd be thrilled.

Did you leave Powell/Mcgee off the list on purpose?

Powell yes, because he's UFA and I feel like Lively and Holmes have made him totally unnecessary. I'll be kind of surprised if the Mavs keep him at this point. McGee, I just plain forgot (and really, can you blame me?)

[saclare]

My focus would be adding talent to the 3/4/5 depth (edit: defense and rebounding emphasis). I think Miles Jr. can easily provide some minutes this year in a backup PG role. That's at minimum 3rd down the depth chart behind Luka and a presumed re-signing of Kyrie. Green and Hardy can eat up plenty of ballhandling minutes as well. All that said, I wouldn't mind a veteran signing at PG should it come at the right cost.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by saclare

My focus would be adding talent to the 3/4/5 depth (edit: defense and rebounding emphasis). I think Miles Jr. can easily provide some minutes this year in a backup PG role. That's at minimum 3rd down the depth chart behind Luka and a presumed re-signing of Kyrie. Green and Hardy can eat up plenty of ballhandling minutes as well. All that said, I wouldn't mind a veteran signing at PG should it come at the right cost.

I have to admit I was completely turned off by Wright early on last season, but he impressed me enough as the year progressed to warrant another year.

I love the Miles pick up and think he could actually battle it out and actually eventually contribute this year in an emergency situation.

Personally, I'd like to see us pick up another vet wing and let the rookies play at first to see what they can contribute.
Then address weaknesses as the season progresses.

[EricaLubarsky]

Green is balling in Vegas

[rimrocker]

IMO we are basically a DFS away from being set to start the season.
Would it make sense trading 2027 FRP/THJ for DFS/O'Neale if Nets would do it?

Lively/Holmes/McGee
DFS/Maxi/OMax
Green/O'Neal/Lawson
Kyrie/Bullock/Holiday?
Luka/Hardy/Wright (or Miles)

We now basically have a possible future starting 5 (Luka/Hardy/Green/Omax/Lively), so a move like that would give us the best of both worlds....Short and Long term and the 2027 pick wouldn't be as important.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

IMO we are basically a DFS away from being set to start the season.
Would it make sense trading 2027 FRP/THJ for DFS/O'Neale if Nets would do it?

Lively/Holmes/McGee
DFS/Maxi/OMax
Green/O'Neal/Lawson
Kyrie/Bullock/Holiday?
Luka/Hardy/Wright (or Miles)

We now basically have a possible future starting 5 (Luka/Hardy/Green/Omax/Lively), so a move like that would give us the best of both worlds....Short and Long term and the 2027 pick wouldn't be as important.

Eh I dunno. If I'm giving up an FRP, I want something better than DFS/O'neale. I can totally understand the argument about the pick not being important in the big picture, but I'm just a firm believer in building through the draft, and on general principle I don't like trading FRPs for veteran role players. An organization that is good at drafting can still find real value with those later picks- and I so far I think the Nico-led Mavs have a solid track record in the draft. If I'm trading an FRP, even a very late one, it needs to be for a real "impact" player, or maybe another young player who still has upside.

All that being said, under the new CBA, it's going to be exponentially more difficult to fill holes in the roster without the MLE to fall back on- Mavs won't be able to stay out of the luxury tax forever. So I wouldn't cheer such a move, but it wouldn't upset me either.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

And first rounders are even more valuable now with the new CBA.

Man, the people that overrate DFS crack me up. The guy took a tumble off a cliff production-wise last season, and people still want him back. He was bad for us and ungodly terrible for the Nets. Let it go.

The biggest trouble the FO runs into is constantly trying to replicate what they had versus having a new vision of what the roster can look like.

Even Lively as our new Tyson Chandler is kinda silly. They are similar-ish players, but anyone expecting prime 2011 Tyson this season from Lively need to come back to reality.

The only thing I want other than Kidd gone is for them not to re-sign Powell. It'll only take a Holmes not coming back to form or Lively being too raw for that guy to be right back in the mold. NO!

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Yeah but Miller is a far superior rebounder. I'm willing to give Prosper the benefit until he plays, but I'd have taken Miller.

Back to Barnes...I'd try a s&t of THJ for him if possible. That might make a lot of sense for both teams.

From what i can see, Prosper isnt getting rebounds like you'd think because he is defending his ass off. When he's selling out contesting shots it's hard to be in position to also rebound. Many of the shots he contests are hitting the rim by thr time he is landing. As long as he isn't letting his man get his own rebound and he is boxing out, I'll take the defense over rebounding.

[sig]

Originally Posted by Zeus

No way. Prosper is clearly the best pure on ball defender left when they took him. Great pick who might see more time early on than Lively. The Mavs have completely overhauled their roster and went young in one draft.

I am fine with Prosper but nobody knows who is the better prospect from this group of players. The age difference between Prosper and TJD or Miller is not even a factor. This was a deep draft so there were other players outside of those 3 that would have been solid picks also.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Mavs interested in Bruce Brown as well per Marc Stein. I'd prefer him over Williams.

[EricaLubarsky]

6?4? In shoes. Most comfortable at forward. Still, he plays big and hard and has championship experience.

Was hoping for more 4/5, though. We have an absolute glut at 2/3 unless we?re trading Bullock, Green, Hardy, and/or THJ or trading Kyrie and we just turned down Capela for Green/Hardy so it looks like we value them.

[BigDog63]

Powell yes, because he's UFA and I feel like Lively and Holmes have made him totally unnecessary. I'll be kind of surprised if the Mavs keep him at this point. McGee, I just plain forgot (and really, can you blame me?)

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they resign Powell, just on a better deal. As much as fans get on him, they've tried for years to have others take his place and they can't do it... he's a better player than people give him credit for. He just needs to be a backup/role player.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

6?4? In shoes. Most comfortable at forward. Still, he plays big and hard and has championship experience.

Was hoping for more 4/5, though. We have an absolute glut at 2/3 unless we?re trading Bullock, Green, Hardy, and/or THJ or trading Kyrie and we just turned down Capela for Green/Hardy so it looks like we value them.

I feel like Brown would be a Bullock replacement more than anything. We have Prosper for that 3-4 role.

Brown has overall talent which is why I liked Leonard over some other guys in the draft.

I don't like having a roster of Luka/Kryie does everything while everyone else just fills in the holes. Brown is a decent playmaker/assist guy.

That's how Denver won. They had a lot of guys who could do a lot of things. Their ball movement was creamy.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Powell yes, because he's UFA and I feel like Lively and Holmes have made him totally unnecessary. I'll be kind of surprised if the Mavs keep him at this point. McGee, I just plain forgot (and really, can you blame me?)

No doubt in my mind Powell is back on a much smaller deal that previously. And im fine with that because he's serviceable on a heavily reduced role. I blame the FO for making him the starter over the years

[sig]

G. Williams and Bruce Brown seem to fit in the MLE area. I'd like to see them get a solid starter around the 20 mil range. I think Barnes is close to that. I don't think Kings will S&T Barnes because it will eat into their cap space. Inthink they may chase Draymond.

I read Mavs didn't want Deandre Hunter because of his contract. I think they shoudl revisit that. Hunter is a really good defender. Atlanta is about ta make some cap cutting decisions. Trade checker approved McGee, Bullock for Hunter. Add in 27 FRP and Atlanta could dump Bullock to save 9 mil (5 mil plus difference in salaries) which would put them 4 mil below 162 mil tax Apron, I think. They need about 4 mil to sign Bufkin.

I don't want Kuzma for that price tag. I don't think he is any better than Barnes or Hunter.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by sig

G. Williams and Bruce Brown seem to fit in the MLE area. I'd like to see them get a solid starter around the 20 mil range. I think Barnes is close to that. I don't think Kings will S&T Barnes because it will eat into their cap space. Inthink they may chase Draymond.

I read Mavs didn't want Deandre Hunter because of his contract. I think they shoudl revisit that. Hunter is a really good defender. Atlanta is about ta make some cap cutting decisions. Trade checker approved McGee, Bullock for Hunter. Add in 27 FRP and Atlanta could dump Bullock to save 9 mil (5 mil plus difference in salaries) which would put them 4 mil below 162 mil tax Apron, I think. They need about 4 mil to sign Bufkin.

I don't want Kuzma for that price tag. I don't think he is any better than Barnes or Hunter.

Deandre Hunters are the players you can't be paying big money anymore. That's just the new reality when you're going to be paying Luka and Kyrie big money. You pay the two superstars and everyone else needs to be on reasonable contracts.

Love to have him as well, but that's too much with the new CBA. (Or so they say)

[EricaLubarsky]

Hunter for 4/95 or OMax for 4/11?

Good teams need bargain players

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Mavs interested in Bruce Brown as well per Marc Stein. I'd prefer him over Williams.

Interesting he says Bruce Brown is the FA they?re going after ?first?. Surprised it?s out there so soon with a week to go.

Obviously that?s not including Kyrie

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Even Lively as our new Tyson Chandler is kinda silly. They are similar-ish players, but anyone expecting prime 2011 Tyson this season from Lively need to come back to reality.

I definitely don't expect it this season, or even next. But by year 3, I think there's potential he could be Chandler-ish. He looks like he has all the tools to be an elite rim protector, or at least a very good one.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I feel like Brown would be a Bullock replacement more than anything. We have Prosper for that 3-4 role.

Brown has overall talent which is why I liked Leonard over some other guys in the draft.

I don't like having a roster of Luka/Kryie does everything while everyone else just fills in the holes. Brown is a decent playmaker/assist guy.

That's how Denver won. They had a lot of guys who could do a lot of things. Their ball movement was creamy.

I think the hope is that Hardy and Green are both developing into very high level contributors that can do more than just "fill the holes."

But f*ck yes on Bruce Brown. If we can get him without losing anything, that's a no brainer.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I definitely don't expect it this season, or even next. But by year 3, I think there's potential he could be Chandler-ish. He looks like he has all the tools to be an elite rim protector, or at least a very good one.

Well Holmes/Lively is still a million times better than you know who.

Pre-draft when Lively said he set good picks...I knew it was in the bag lol.

[Aplus23]

A DFS replacement is definitely the main focus after signing Kyrie
Even though that's what we drafted Prosper for, he's a rookie, and can't be replied upon for a team with championship aspirations

Kyrie
Reggie
Luka
???
McGee or Holmes or Lively

Brown or Williams are perfect fits

[EricaLubarsky]

Mavs have Tobias Harris in the radar. Perfect role model for OMax and he?s expiring.

39mill means three of: THJ, Wood, Bullock, and Kleber

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Mavs have Tobias Harris in the radar. Perfect role model for OMax and he?s expiring.

39mill means three of: THJ, Wood, Bullock, and Kleber

I've seen the reports too of the Mavs being one of the teams interested, but I don't see how it works. None of the players you just mentioned would be of real interest to the Sixers, so we would have to probably throw in Hardy or Green and/or future FRP. That would be a hard no for me.

I'm really hoping we can manage to snag Bruce Brown with the MLE. Do that, and we're ready to roll. (Oh yeah, and re-sign Kyrie, obviously.)

[EricaLubarsky]

DSJ is a UFA after a 1year, 2mill min

Not the top priority but I?d love him backing up Luka and Kyrie

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

DSJ is a UFA after a 1year, 2mill min

Not the top priority but I?d love him backing up Luka and Kyrie

I'd definitely take him for the min. I don't know how much he'd contribute, but I always liked the guy and he's not a bad insurance policy.

[Melonhead]

Would love to have DSJ back. Almost a way of the org admitting hey we messed up. Would be great backup.

Don?t think Mavs have enough juice for a Tobias, Philly seems to want a lot for him based on the Cavs rumor.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I would say DSJ sounds like something they should do but won't, but they did surprise us with the draft.

Back to Lively, he looks like a mix of Gobert and Tyson from videos. What I'm noticing is that he doesn't back down to bigger players (which is basically everyone since he is so thin), and he manages to make plays when out of position. That's a rare to non-existent gift. So a player will have position on him down low and because of Lively's size and length he'll still be able to make a defensive play. If that translates, it will be invaluable.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Interesting he says Bruce Brown is the FA they?re going after ?first?. Surprised it?s out there so soon with a week to go.

Obviously that?s not including Kyrie

I think DSJ would be cheaper alternative. But I do like Brown because he can play several positions.

Looking at this roster they still need a legit 4

They had undersized guys playing the 4 last year Bullock, Green and THJ at times because they refused to play bigger lineups with Wood next to McGee or Kleber.

One guy I'm interested in who can play the 4 or 5 is Naz Reid. He fits next to Holmes or Lively though I suspect lively is more of guy who's probably about 2 years away from contributing.

Dream scenario would be to see if Orlando with some many bigs would be interested in g8vibg up Jonathan Isaacs or Portland with Grant

[BPo001]

I?d prefer Brown over DSJ because of his length, but DSJ has really improved as a defensive player. I?d like to see another long wing player added. I?d imagine Bullock is being shopped.

[EricaLubarsky]

Get DSJ at the min/BAE
SNT THJ or Bullock for Brown
Get Kyrie to accept 40min instead of full max which would give a full MLE
Use the MLE for a PF like Harrison Barnes or Dray if he?ll accept a pay cut
Get a center like Biyombo or Zelle?s for cheap
Re-sign Powell as a character guy at min

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

From what i can see, Prosper isnt getting rebounds like you'd think because he is defending his ass off. When he's selling out contesting shots it's hard to be in position to also rebound. Many of the shots he contests are hitting the rim by thr time he is landing. As long as he isn't letting his man get his own rebound and he is boxing out, I'll take the defense over rebounding.

THIS!!!

[Dallas41]

So I was watching this show called "The Carton Show"

This was on Friday and Tim Hardaway Sr was on the show

The questioned was asked if he thought Jason Kidd was a good coach. He responded with emphatic yes and th3n went on to say that Dallas has plays designed by kidd which doesn't get called often because of Luka.

He stated the offense is so tailored to Luka that a lot of the motion sets the mavs have installed don't get called or utilized because it would require Luka to play off ball a bit more.

So it will be interesting to see if they use the offseason to finally tailor some of it to involve Luka more off ball.

I think we can all agree at times when Luka missed games plenty of games mainly Green and Hardy were playing off ball next to Kyrie and did some great things because the offseason was spread out and they were also able to get out and run more in transition