Official Rangers off season thread

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Male29Dan

There were numerous articles that pointed out if the Yankees signed Crawford and Lee we would be screwed. Look it up

Like I said Thiggy - we are done. Anyone that says a guy that Ron Washington himself claimed to have bad technique just this past offseason to be a better defender than Hamilton doesn't warrant a response. Go ahead, pull out the RioobSM stat. He is not.

Well either these rankings are wrong or those articles are wrong. At least in the case of Crawford.

It does looks like Jeter, Werth and Rafael Soriano ended up with a higher ranking. To the situation you outlined is still in play, just not with Crawford.

And why are you bringing up the defense thing just to say you're done? I didn't mention anything about it in my last post.

But since you brought it up, I don't understand why you view it as such a ridiculous stance. It's not like Hamilton is the best defensive center fielder in baseball. He's a very good defender, but so is Borbon. If he weren't he wouldn't even be on the 25 man roster. Hell they gave Borbon a major league deal when they drafted him based on his ability to defend. He did have things to work on last season and early this season. He hadn't played very much professional baseball when he got to the team last season.

I've heard Gary Pettis talk about Borbon more than once this season and he holds his defense in very, very high regard. Players learn and get better.

[Male30Dan]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Well either these rankings are wrong or those articles are wrong. At least in the case of Crawford.

It does looks like Jeter, Werth and Rafael Soriano ended up with a higher ranking. To the situation you outlined is still in play, just not with Crawford.

And why are you bringing up the defense thing just to say you're done? I didn't mention anything about it in my last post.

But since you brought it up, I don't understand why you view it as such a ridiculous stance. It's not like Hamilton is the best defensive center fielder in baseball. He's a very good defender, but so is Borbon. If he weren't he wouldn't even be on the 25 man roster. Hell they gave Borbon a major league deal when they drafted him based on his ability to defend. He did have things to work on last season and early this season. He hadn't played very much professional baseball when he got to the team last season.

I've heard Gary Pettis talk about Borbon more than once this season and he holds his defense in very, very high regard. Players learn and get better.

Just not touching the defense thing anymore... You refuse to address what our manager said but want to bring out something Pettis said. You believe what you want, but yeah, I do believe that Hamilton is one of the absolute best defensive outfielders in the game. I do not believe that Borbon is. He is very good, but he is not on Hamilton's level when you factor in the things Hamilton brings (they both have very good range - hell Borbon likely even has him there - but Hamilton has a plus plus arm and makes the very difficult catch). You believe what you want and I will believe what I want. Like I said, we are done there.

Regarding that link, what I saw was in August/September and was on LSB and it definitely had Crawford ahead of Lee at that time. I don't know if that changes over a year or if they are just two different sources but he absolutely was ahead of Lee earlier this year in something I read. Anyway, you know they are signing Jeter back, so would that equal us getting screwed if Lee chooses NY?

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by Male29Dan

Just not touching the defense thing anymore... You refuse to address what our manager said but want to bring out something Pettis said. You believe what you want, but yeah, I do believe that Hamilton is one of the absolute best defensive outfielders in the game. I do not believe that Borbon is. He is very good, but he is not on Hamilton's level when you factor in the things Hamilton brings (they both have very good range - hell Borbon likely even has him there - but Hamilton has a plus plus arm and makes the very difficult catch). You believe what you want and I will believe what I want. Like I said, we are done there.

Regarding that link, what I saw was in August/September and was on LSB and it definitely had Crawford ahead of Lee at that time. I don't know if that changes over a year or if they are just two different sources but he absolutely was ahead of Lee earlier this year in something I read. Anyway, you know they are signing Jeter back, so would that equal us getting screwed if Lee chooses NY?

I would be much much more inclined to listen to Gary Pettis' views on outfield defense than Wash's. Now if were talking infield defense, Wash is one of the better guys in baseball to talk about that.

[Male30Dan]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

I would be much much more inclined to listen to Gary Pettis' views on outfield defense than Wash's. Now if were talking infield defense, Wash is one of the better guys in baseball to talk about that.

Come on 5-0... When Wash said that Pettis' quote was no where around. Want to look that up? I know I can find Wash's comments somewhere in the archives. You can say all day long that you would rather listen to Pettis' comments but they both know their shit. Do you really think someone that has been in the game as long as Washington can't judge an outfielder's ability to track down fly balls? I am not saying he didn't have good nerd stats and I am not saying that he wasn't a good defensive CF (keep in mind that I pointed out that those comments were at the BEGINNING of the 2010 season - in training camp and even before that). But don't make Washington out to be, well, you regarding his mental knowledge of the game just because he coached infield defense in the past.

[sike]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I've heard Gary Pettis talk about Borbon more than once this season and he holds his defense in very, very high regard.

If this is the case, then that means a lot to me.

[Male30Dan]

Originally Posted by sike

If this is the case, then that means a lot to me.

Of course it does. Thank you for your contributions.

[sike]

Originally Posted by Male29Dan

Of course it does. Thank you for your contributions.

I don't know if you joking or being a jackass here...

[Male30Dan]

Originally Posted by sike

I don't know if you joking or being a jackass here...

My jokes aren't subtle. If you can't tell, always assume the latter.

[sike]

Originally Posted by Male29Dan

My jokes aren't subtle. If you can't tell, always assume the latter.

Now that is funny.