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DoYouEvenLift · 10-22-2016, 07:46 PM

The Mavericks had a "red flag" preseason. Nothing but warning signs for Dallas. They finished
25th in offense
27th in defense
29th in defensive rebound percentage
22nd in assist ratio
26th in effective field goal percentage
29h in free throw rate
29th in opponent offensive rebound percentage
27th in points off turnovers
30th in points in the paint
28th in fast-break points allowed
22nd in opponent points in the paint

But wait, there's more! Harrison Barnes shot 27 percent from the field, and averaged as many turnovers as assists. Of all expected rotation players, Dirk Nowitzki had the highest defensive rating at better than 109 points per 100 possessions. Deron Williams, Andrew Bogut and Wesley Matthews all posted net points per 100 possession marks of worse than minus-18, which is horrendous.

It's Dallas, so you assume you can slough this off. It's a veteran team, and Rick Carlisle always has the answers. But you don't start the season looking at Dallas as entering with a lot of momentum from what they built in the preseason.

I know I know preseason, but we're clearly a team that isn't a lock to be great. We're hoping for a lot of players to overperform. I'm afraid this might finally be the season the analysts are right (dead clock is right twice a day) and we fall off a cliff and miss the playoffs.

EricaLubarsky · 10-22-2016, 07:48 PM

Mavs went 0-7 last year and made the playoffs. I'm weary but not super concerned

DoYouEvenLift · 10-22-2016, 08:03 PM

I mean, nobody is predicting us to be a top 4 seed. So what it really comes down to is about 10-12 games being wins or losses. Dirk and RC can probably get us about 35 wins alone, the question has been every year can we get 8-12 more with the team we have. Houston might be getting a bit overlooked and the Wolves are suddenly a playoff contender. Then there's New Orleans (Anthony Davis factor), Utah, maybe even the Kings fighting for the last spots. If the team can stay healthy I think we'll be at least close to a playoff spot if not grabbing one. But there's players with injury concerns and Dirk is also due to his age.

tap2390 · 10-23-2016, 03:37 PM

I'm worried too, but considering how injured we were last season, how much worse could we possibly be?

Our biggest problem is definitely lack of penetration. Also, I think there will be times we find ourselves playing young/small to match up athletically with some teams:

Barea
Curry
Anderson
Barnes
Dwight

Overall I think our depth and versatility (and coaching) are things that will mean a lot more in the regular season than they did in preseason.

Bryan_Wilson · 10-24-2016, 08:39 AM

I'm not as concerned about our overall numbers as I am how awful the starters looked together. Our numbers will be skewed just because we had guys 13-20 playing more minutes than most teams and we had several rotational players have multiple game absences.

Melonhead · 10-24-2016, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I'm not as concerned about our overall numbers as I am how awful the starters looked together. Our numbers will be skewed just because we had guys 13-20 playing more minutes than most teams and we had several rotational players have multiple game absences.

But I think how awful the starters looked is reflective of those overall numbers. Just to be at or near .500 at the all star break might be a miracle.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-24-2016, 11:06 AM

I'm a broken record, but Powell, Anderson, Curry, Barnes. Develop, develop, develop. If Rick runs the vets into the ground, then this season is a waste.

NeedlesKane · 10-26-2016, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'm a broken record, but Powell, Anderson, Curry, Barnes. Develop, develop, develop. If Rick runs the vets into the ground, then this season is a waste.

At least it's stuck on a good track, one that our coach needs to hear over and over.

Budapest Maverick · 10-29-2016, 01:25 AM

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Mavs went 0-7 last year and made the playoffs. I'm weary but not super concerned

No we didn't. Or are you talking about a seven-game losing streak?

Budapest Maverick · 10-29-2016, 01:30 AM

Our problem is pretty simple, we have one two-way player on the roster (now that Matthews seems to be done as an offensive player).

SMC0007 · 10-31-2016, 01:54 PM

No one is penetrating the ball effectively aside from Barea.

No post threat.

Too many heave hoes from outside.

Jeff Wade · 10-31-2016, 06:45 PM

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I'm a broken record, but Powell, Anderson, Curry, Barnes. Develop, develop, develop. If Rick runs the vets into the ground, then this season is a waste.

I'm thinking we lack athleticism at the wing position someone like KJ McDaniels who everyone wrote off is playing good basketball for Mike Dantoni now. Will Carlisle find a surprise player or two this season? That is the 64,000 dollar question.

turin · 10-31-2016, 07:39 PM

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I'm thinking we lack athleticism at the wing position someone like KJ McDaniels who everyone wrote off is playing good basketball for Mike Dantoni now. Will Carlisle find a surprise player or two this season? That is the 64,000 dollar question.

Usually, one has to be looking in order to find something. Rick isn't exactly know for looking at young players, at least not in my eyes, and that's one of my biggest complaints. He was practically forced to play Mejri at the end of last year due to injuries and such, and then the Mavs finally had an interior presence and looked markedly better. Hopefully, he won't be so obtuse this season and play Mejri and other younger guys more.

spreedom · 10-31-2016, 07:46 PM

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Usually, one has to be looking in order to find something. Rick isn't exactly know for looking at young players, at least not in my eyes, and that's one of my biggest complaints. He was practically forced to play Mejri at the end of last year due to injuries and such, and then the Mavs finally had an interior presence and looked markedly better. Hopefully, he won't be so obtuse this season and play Mejri and other younger guys more.

Dude, we brought two undrafted rookies from training camp into the regular season. Carlisle is also giving Harrison Barnes a bigger role than as he's ever had. Our issue has more to do with drafting than it does with Carlisle being willing to use good players.

Bryan_Wilson · 10-31-2016, 08:40 PM

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Dude, we brought two undrafted rookies from training camp into the regular season. Carlisle is also giving Harrison Barnes a bigger role than as he's ever had. Our issue has more to do with drafting than it does with Carlisle being willing to use good players.

Agreed. Last year I thought even Salah had said he wasn't ready till later on to contribute. Whether it be speed of the game or whatever, he and Anderson both made that statement I thought.

Jeff Wade · 10-31-2016, 08:55 PM

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Usually, one has to be looking in order to find something. Rick isn't exactly know for looking at young players, at least not in my eyes, and that's one of my biggest complaints. He was practically forced to play Mejri at the end of last year due to injuries and such, and then the Mavs finally had an interior presence and looked markedly better. Hopefully, he won't be so obtuse this season and play Mejri and other younger guys more.

you're right. He's not looking. I can see that Finny-Smith is a great player but they won't play him. Same with Anderson last season and all the other rookies the Mavs have drafted over the last 10 seasons.

Frankly I think Carlisle is completely satisfied with being about the 8th seed every season and being bounced quickly in the playoffs. Carlisle and Cuban are both very pleased with that each and every season.

turin · 10-31-2016, 10:22 PM

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you're right. He's not looking. I can see that Finny-Smith is a great player but they won't play him. Same with Anderson last season and all the other rookies the Mavs have drafted over the last 10 seasons.

Frankly I think Carlisle is completely satisfied with being about the 8th seed every season and being bounced quickly in the playoffs. Carlisle and Cuban are both very pleased with that each and every season.

While I appreciate your sarcasm, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. Last year, Matthews logged very heavy minutes, especially in light of him coming back from a major injury and surgery and at times imo looked overused and ineffective. He might have benefited from less playing time, and there were other players like Simba who could've benefited from playing some of those minutes. Simba's development may have been accelerated while at the same time reducing the workload placed on a recovering Matthews.

Just because I believe that Carlisle is more comfortable with veterans doesn't logically follow that Cuban and Carlisle are happy with so-so results. I'll chalk up that assertion from you to sarcasm and not fallacious logic. If you want to argue that Charlie V's minutes played were so precious last year that there would've been a huge drop off in production had a different/ younger player been playing his minutes, then knock yourself out. I just won't agree with you.

Thankfully, the Mavericks are moving away for the rent-a-player strategy that they've been having to implement the last few years and focusing on getting younger. I applaud them for this, but it is not without risks. Still, they won't know what they have until they play them. Worst case scenario is they all fail and are busts. Still, if the Mavs are going to be mediocre to poor, I'd rather watch younger players with an opportunity to show something and develop rather than older veterans who certainly won't be here in 2+ years.

Oh yeah, Carlisle has been the head coach for a while. Is it solely Cuban's fault that year after year the Mavs traded away their first round draft choices? Maybe you disagree, but that speaks volumes to me as to what the expectations were from these draft picks...

sefant77 · 11-01-2016, 07:33 AM

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Is it solely Cuban's fault that year after year the Mavs traded away their first round draft choices? Maybe you disagree, but that speaks volumes to me as to what the expectations were from these draft picks...

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Crowder/Wright and our pick going to Boston was solely Dirks fault. Like allready covered in 274 articles

EricaLubarsky · 11-01-2016, 09:40 AM

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Crowder/Wright and our pick going to Boston was solely Dirks fault. Like allready covered in 274 articles

I think the more interesting thing is how little control Carlisle has on his roster. It seems like Cuban and Donnie make all the calls and occasionally appease guys like Dirk. Otherwise it looks like Rick gets little input into who we get, which is fairly detrimental to our overall success. Cuban wants the gamble guys to potentially pay off. Donnie wants best available. Rick just wants best fit. Those are at odds.

Jeff Wade · 11-01-2016, 11:01 AM

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While I appreciate your sarcasm, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. Last year, Matthews logged very heavy minutes, especially in light of him coming back from a major injury and surgery and at times imo looked overused and ineffective. He might have benefited from less playing time, and there were other players like Simba who could've benefited from playing some of those minutes. Simba's development may have been accelerated while at the same time reducing the workload placed on a recovering Matthews.

Just because I believe that Carlisle is more comfortable with veterans doesn't logically follow that Cuban and Carlisle are happy with so-so results. I'll chalk up that assertion from you to sarcasm and not fallacious logic. If you want to argue that Charlie V's minutes played were so precious last year that there would've been a huge drop off in production had a different/ younger player been playing his minutes, then knock yourself out. I just won't agree with you.

Thankfully, the Mavericks are moving away for the rent-a-player strategy that they've been having to implement the last few years and focusing on getting younger. I applaud them for this, but it is not without risks. Still, they won't know what they have until they play them. Worst case scenario is they all fail and are busts. Still, if the Mavs are going to be mediocre to poor, I'd rather watch younger players with an opportunity to show something and develop rather than older veterans who certainly won't be here in 2+ years.

Oh yeah, Carlisle has been the head coach for a while. Is it solely Cuban's fault that year after year the Mavs traded away their first round draft choices? Maybe you disagree, but that speaks volumes to me as to what the expectations were from these draft picks...

I don't know if I should get into this. So many are in love with carlisle like he has 3 separate THREE PEATS like Phil Jackson has.

The reason you play young guys is to see if they have game. Really you just have to throw them in the game and see how they play. Let them try to score the way they like to score in other words. That may just be driving the ball everytime. Which is exactly what wins games and gets the team and the fans going.

So it's not always a great idea to wait 2 years on a player after he has become a great corner three point shooter or whatever. Which is exactly what the Mavericks do with rookies and second year players. They're trying to turn everyone into the same player, just a stand still three point shooter.

Why do you think they're moving away from the rent a player strategy? Did they say so or something. Also why did they ever even go to that theory. At what point in NBA history has that ever worked? Do the San Antonio Spurs emplay that method?

Then on the same token you admit you would rather watch young players? Then on the same token you say you like Carlisle even though he's never done this.

The reason I say they're satisfied with 41-41 seasons is because Mark Cuban has in the past over the years in interviews hinted at this when on late night business shows. Sometimes he's very outspoken and forgets people are listening. I've heard him say that an NBA team makes the same amount of profit when they're 41-41 as if they're winning the championship. Why would he say that. I've also heard him say that College Basketball is a joke and the NBA needs to try to do away with it.

I've also heard him say that Rookies and draft picks don't matter at all.

THEN here's the real kicker. Carlisle goes right along with it all. He's not competitive. He's just a yesman to Cuban. Cuban is the real coach, GM and everything. It's why Don Nelson wanted out. Don Nelson is competitive and isn't going to stand for cuban.

Jeff Wade · 11-01-2016, 11:11 AM

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I think the more interesting thing is how little control Carlisle has on his roster. It seems like Cuban and Donnie make all the calls and occasionally appease guys like Dirk. Otherwise it looks like Rick gets little input into who we get, which is fairly detrimental to our overall success. Cuban wants the gamble guys to potentially pay off. Donnie wants best available. Rick just wants best fit. Those are at odds.

cuban is the coach essentially. Or Rick is afraid to put in his input. This is a major problem and is the problem with the team over the last 10 years since Don Nelson left who had complete control of how the roster is built and who plays the minutes. Although I do remember some talk about how Nelson always said we needed a great center and it was going to cost 15 million a year back then. (which would be 40 million today). Cuban was opposed to paying a center that much and also opposed to spending that much money.

Don Nelson wanted Alonzo Mourning around 2001 to join the team for 4 years 60 million. Which would've made him about the 3rd or 4th highest paid center in the NBA.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-01-2016, 11:34 AM

So many are in love with RC because he's a great coach. Really nothing complicated about it. Players who are on other teams call him a top 3-5 coach. Nearly every year when the GM surveys come out he's a top 2-5 coach. Most notably always 1-2 as coach who makes the best in game adjustments. I guess the whole NBA is wrong about our HC?

I think EL has the better point. It's clear that the 3 different guys making decisions are not on the same page very often.

And as for RC and Cuban being okay with 41-41 record/8th seed type year... The whole FO, RC, and Dirk are all about trying to put together a competitive roster. They have avoided a rebuild for the sole purpose of trying to do right by Dirk. Dirk himself has said multiple times that he wants no part of a rebuild. If this roster did not have Dirk and we were in a full rebuild there is no doubt in my mind that if we had a rebuilding roster that RC would play players accordingly. Instead he is constantly being asked to coach a mediocre roster into a playoff seed. We do not have a top 25 player like basically every single playoff team. We do not have a good bench. We have issues we can start threads on, and have talked about a lot in other current threads. The idea that RC isn't playing Finney-Smith, 15th guy on this roster, as proof of anything is laughable to me.

Jeff Wade · 11-01-2016, 12:29 PM

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So many are in love with RC because he's a great coach. Really nothing complicated about it. Players who are on other teams call him a top 3-5 coach. Nearly every year when the GM surveys come out he's a top 2-5 coach. Most notably always 1-2 as coach who makes the best in game adjustments. I guess the whole NBA is wrong about our HC?

I think EL has the better point. It's clear that the 3 different guys making decisions are not on the same page very often.

And as for RC and Cuban being okay with 41-41 record/8th seed type year... The whole FO, RC, and Dirk are all about trying to put together a competitive roster. They have avoided a rebuild for the sole purpose of trying to do right by Dirk. Dirk himself has said multiple times that he wants no part of a rebuild. If this roster did not have Dirk and we were in a full rebuild there is no doubt in my mind that if we had a rebuilding roster that RC would play players accordingly. Instead he is constantly being asked to coach a mediocre roster into a playoff seed. We do not have a top 25 player like basically every single playoff team. We do not have a good bench. We have issues we can start threads on, and have talked about a lot in other current threads. The idea that RC isn't playing Finney-Smith, 15th guy on this roster, as proof of anything is laughable to me.

That's exactly my point he's vastly over rated and I know why. (It goes a lot to the Dirk hate, nationally and excuse makers for lebron).

But as for putting a Roster together. Why is it that the San Antonio Spurs can build a young roster on the fly, but Rick Carlisle and Mark Cuban can't?

but ultimately the W-L record falls on the Coach, So that is why I say he's not competitive and would rather just be a yes man to the Billionaire Mark Cuban who is actually controlling things.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-01-2016, 01:08 PM

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That's exactly my point he's vastly over rated and I know why. (It goes a lot to the Dirk hate, nationally and excuse makers for lebron).

But as for putting a Roster together. Why is it that the San Antonio Spurs can build a young roster on the fly, but Rick Carlisle and Mark Cuban can't?

but ultimately the W-L record falls on the Coach, So that is why I say he's not competitive and would rather just be a yes man to the Billionaire Mark Cuban who is actually controlling things.

RC is not overrated for taking the rosters we have had around here to the playoffs. You can complain all you want about the rosters being assembled because frankly everyone around here is tired of how they have the same plan powder all the time. But what RC does with the roster after its constructed is why he is a top coach.

Also if you are going to criticize RC and Cuban... maybe use a different example than the Spurs? The one team who has been doing it better than everyone for the last 20 years, not just the Mavs?

Jeff Wade · 11-01-2016, 02:09 PM

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RC is not overrated for taking the rosters we have had around here to the playoffs. You can complain all you want about the rosters being assembled because frankly everyone around here is tired of how they have the same plan powder all the time. But what RC does with the roster after its constructed is why he is a top coach.

Also if you are going to criticize RC and Cuban... maybe use a different example than the Spurs? The one team who has been doing it better than everyone for the last 20 years, not just the Mavs?

He doesn't get the most out of these rosters. I can see where he could get a lot more and even create young star level players like Crowder, Roddy who lit Curry up for 40 in his backyard, Aminu and others. He never and I mean NEVER plays the rookies to see what he has. He just doesn't give them enough consistent minutes to become a star. Even someone like Jeremy Evans would come in and always do something like get a key steal or a key block or dunk, but then go right back to the bench never to be seen again for a month. Same with Justin Anderson. Usually it's best to just throw a player out there let them learn that way.

He's not getting the most out of the rosters. No at all. I can see where he could've gotten maybe 5-7 more wins each season with these rosters and most likely a first round Victory.

Dirk is the only real reason this team is about a 45 win team over the last 5 seasons. RC is the reason they're not a 52 win team or there abouts.

Underdog · 11-01-2016, 04:19 PM

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He doesn't get the most out of these rosters.

Said nobody ever. Except you.

rimrocker · 11-01-2016, 04:48 PM

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I think the more interesting thing is how little control Carlisle has on his roster. It seems like Cuban and Donnie make all the calls and occasionally appease guys like Dirk. Otherwise it looks like Rick gets little input into who we get, which is fairly detrimental to our overall success. Cuban wants the gamble guys to potentially pay off. Donnie wants best available. Rick just wants best fit. Those are at odds.

I agree with this with the exception of being detrimental to our success....actually think it has led to our success.

Rick is a great coach because he coaches each and every game like each is equally important. That is why I feel he doesn't develop youth well because he knows the vets are better prepared to win individual games in most cases. That is what you want in a head coach because it is a winning mentality.

It is Donnie's job to put a competing roster together and this year he filled the roster with youth so when Rick puts his best players on the floor several will be young and will get development time. I totally agree with the way they are doing things this year even though we are 0-3. If this thing goes totally south after the first of the year and we see no progress I'd like to see us start moving some of our expiring contracts and possibly Wes to pick up some youth or DPs in the process.

Cuban's job is to give Donnie the financial resources to do his job and to market and enhance the brand. That is why he covets the big name FAs even though some of them are past their primes.

As a Mavs fan I'm fully on board with what they are doing and feel fortunate to have all three. Not many franchises have had the consistent achievements and success that we have experienced over the past 15 years.

turin · 11-01-2016, 05:02 PM

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I think the more interesting thing is how little control Carlisle has on his roster...

This is exactly what was going through my mind as I was typing my last response.

Budapest Maverick · 11-02-2016, 07:45 AM

DISCLAIMER, REALLY LONG POST BELOW

Let's take a look at this roster objectively to assess what Carlisle should, and should not be able to do.

Clear flaws

- No clear-cut Nr.1 option: We don't have anybody who can carry a team (at this point in time, we all love Dirk). Barnes is very likely not that player, there is no evidence in his four-year career that would suggest this, nor do his overall skills project to be at that level. It is basically a consensus that he has little upside.

- No quality penetration: We don't have a guy that can consistently get to the rim and finish. Barea is the closest to this guy, but if you give a huge workload to Jose, and ask him to do that every night, you are obviously in big, big trouble. Barnes doesn't have the handles to be that guy, same with Matthews, who is on on top that, a shell of his former self offensively.

- Average to bad rebounding talent: We were 19th last year, 23rd the year before, 26th in 2013. Currently 22nd. We have no reason to think that this trend will change. We cannot rebound with these rosters, period. We don't have the personel for it.

- We can't get to the line: 21st last year in free throw attempts, 16th the year before, 23rd in 2013, currently 26th. Again, no reason to think that this will change, Barnes basically does not draw fouls, same with Matthews, and a 38-year-old Dirk will obviously not come close to his best years, when he was actually elite at this (among other things).

What could go either way

- Three point shooting: 23rd last year in percentage, 11th the year before, 2nd in 2014, 6th in 2013, 13th right now. Carlisle put together some fairly good, and some great three point shooting teams. This year could go either way, though the "no penetration" aspect does not help. We could be 10th this year or 20th, impossible to predict.

- Defense: Carlisle is an excellent defensive coach, no doubt about this. We were 16th last year, 9th the year before, 9th in 2014, 15th in 2013, 14th in 2012, and 8th in our championship year (though better than that in the playoffs). Those might be not the greatest numbers, but think about the personnel. We did not have too many elite defensive players throughout the years, yet Carlisle often figured it out, and made the defense top 10 or close to it.

He has very good team defensive schemes, and was considered to be a defensive coach in the first half of his coaching career. This year we got an absolutely elite defensive anchor in Bogut, though unfortunately he cannot play more than 18-20 minutes.

Matthews is still an elite defender despite his offensive game, and Barnes is a good, versatile defender as well, not to mention Anderson, who came a long way on that end. We could hover around 11th-12th in my opinion, but we should definitely be better than our current 28th position. I don't care about Dirk and Barea's presence, Carlisle will figure it out, and make this team at least average on that end.

Team Offense: 5th last year, 9th the year before, 13th in 2013, 18th this year. I do feel like this is more of Dirk's impact than RC's, but we had some different rosters, so this is fairly all over the place, could go either way. I think that based on our current roster, there is a bigger chance that we will be a good defensive team, than being a good offensive team. Parsons was injured a lot last season, but when he played, our offense was really, really solid. He is a better offensive player than Barnes, no doubt, and Dirk unfortunately got a year older again.

But still, our biggest problem could be Dirk's decline. If you look at the stats, we were never really a good fast break team in the last couple of years, we could not get to the free throw line, and we weren't even an elite passing team in several seasons, but Dirk made it work. Amazing spacing effect, and he rarely turns the ball over, despite the offense going through him. I don't think he can give us that anymore, and that could be the biggest reason why we end up being an average or bad offensive team this year.

Clear Strengths

Dirk: Dirk is an all-time great player who routinely gets underrated. Even last year and the year before, where he was clearly way past his prime, he posted excellent advanced stats. The guy is one of the best offensive anchors of all-time, whose simple presence worth a lot on offense. I think even last year, we were not close to being a playoff team when he was not on the floor. Could this be the year where Father Time finally catches up to him? Maybe, we will have to wait and see. I predict this though, despite his horrific defense - which is a shame, becuase he was an underrated defender, and actually very good post defender in his peak -, he is still going to be a net positive.

Coaching: Just by looking at the clear flaws list up there, which is pretty cut and dry and leaves little room for arguments (I guess you can disagree about Barnes), it is clear that we have a great coach. If you take a look at the offensive and defensive ratings of this team, Carlisle managed to make this team really good on offense (okay, that was more Dirk, probably) and really good on defense at times, even in the last three-four years. Unfortunately, these two things never really happened in the same year, but was this his fault? These were clearly flawed rosters in my opinion, but thanks to Dirk and him, we made the playoffs almost every year. Frankly, I don't think we should have, based on the roster, and with this, I arrived to may last point, and thanks for bearing with me.

In my opinion, if we make the playoffs this year, Carlisle should win COY. This is clearly a flawed roster that could suck at both ends of the court, and if it doesn't, I think for that - possibly the first time since Dirk's second year - the vast majority of the credit should go to the coach.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-02-2016, 09:17 AM

I agree with most of the above by BPM with an addition I think that should be added to "Clear Weakness". To me our defensive dribble penetration has to be one of the worst if not the worst in the NBA. I don't want to simply say perimeter d because wes and barnes are strong there. But the dribble penetration is opening up 3pt shots galore against us. And it seems like nearly every play we are allowing them to penetrate or we slack off so much that they can just quick fire an open 3 from us packing too far inside.