Jason Terry: What is his trade value?

[kg_veteran]

It seems to me that the player most likely to be traded in the offseason, at least according to "common wisdom", is Jason Terry. I've already seen (and discussed) quite a few trade scenarios involving Terry, but in my mind a lot of them probably overvalue Terry and/or undervalue the players coming from other teams. With that in mind, I thought I'd open it up for discussion: What is Jason Terry's trade value?

My two cents:

Jason Terry is obviously a very good player. He's just below an All-Star level. His PER for his three years in Dallas has been 18.4, 18.4, and 18.9, respectively. His scoring efficiency is off the charts for a guard, at least during the regular season. He's also improved his defense to the point where he's an average defender, statistically speaking. So what's the problem?

Terry is not a point guard. He doesn't have the ballhandling or the passing skills you'd want in a point guard, and he doesn't have the court vision either. He can occasionally rack up big assist games if the Mavs are hitting all of their shots in their set offense, but he just isn't a playmaker who consistently creates for others. Defensively, he's not a good fit at the point guard spot, either, because (despite his improvements) he still seems to be a step slow against quicker point guards.

Terry also isn't a traditional shooting guard. While he is a great shooter and he has the ability to drive, he lacks the size to get off his own shot consistently against bigger defenders. If you put a big, long defender on him, he can be significantly bothered. On defense, he just doesn't have the size, height, or strength to guard bigger SGs. They can either post him up or shoot right over the top.

So there's the problem. Terry is a "tweener". A "combo" guard. A man without a position. What's wrong with that? Well, IMO, it severely limits the number of teams that can fit him into their scheme, offensively and defensively. In order for him to be a good fit, it seems to me that he needs to play with an excellent wing player who can create for his teammates and allow Terry to just be a scorer and spot-up shooter. On the defensive end, that wing player needs to be able to cover a number of positions so that Terry can guard the weaker offensive player in the opposing backcourt.

One other thing. Terry's not a spring chicken, and he makes a lot of money now, so any team looking to acquire him would have to have pretty immediate championship (or deep playoff) aspirations.

So what teams fit this definition? IMO, there are only a few:

Houston (McGrady)
Los Angeles (Kobe)
Cleveland (LeBron)
Miami (Wade)

All of those teams are weak at the PG spot. All of them would be able to utilize Terry because they have wing players who can create for their teammates and help Terry out defensively. And, all of those teams seem to need another guard/scorer who can take the pressure off of their dominant wing player to score all of the points.

Bottom line, if you're looking to deal Terry, I think the deal has to go through or involve one of those four teams.

Thoughts?

[alexamenos]

KG -- off the top of my head, the only thing here that really blows my skirt up is JET for Andrew Bynum + whatever is necessary to make the deal work....

...but, I understand that the Lakers were reluctant to consider giving up Bynum for Kidd, so Bynum for JET seems even less likely.

[MavsX]

i do like your wisdom, you think about this stuff constantly which is awesome. Maybe he would fit in with Kobe in LA.

[dalmations202]

Kind of depends on how the ping pong balls land.

Boston, Memphis, maybe even Seattle might be interested if they end up with the first couple of picks. Terry as a shooter with Oden controlling the inside and one nice slasher ie Pierce, Wallace, etc would be a load. Terry can play point in a half court game. He can shoot as a spot up shooter.

I can see what you are talking about, but I don't see him in Houston because of Adeleman there, and Adeleman will want a passing guard (not Terry's strength).

LaLa land would send back ? ?
Miami would send back ? ?
Cleveland would probably be a good fit and maybe a Terry/Gooden deal could be reached, but that even seems a little strange to write.

I think the draft will determine what destinations are and aren't available, just my opinion.

[alexamenos]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

....Terry as a shooter with Oden controlling the inside and one nice slasher ie Pierce, Wallace, etc would be a load. Terry can play point in a half court game. He can shoot as a spot up shooter.....

Terry for Al Jefferson, maybe?

I don't know if Boston would do that and I don't know how the salaries work....

...but I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[kg_veteran]

I don't see why Boston, Memphis, or Seattle would be interested in Terry. None of those teams are going to contend for a few years.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

Terry for Al Jefferson, maybe?

I don't know if Boston would do that and I don't know how the salaries work....

...but I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I'd be Savovic-shocked if they did something like that.

[alexamenos]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

I'd be Savovic-shocked if they did something like that.

yeah -- but a fellow can dream......

[jthig32]

No way on Al Jefferson. He's one of the more underrated young stars in the game right now.

I think Terry holds about the same value now that he had when we aquired him. He's a few years older and more expensive, but he's also improved, and shown that he can come up big in the playoffs and is not afraid to take big shots.

I think you can get a borderline all star in return for Terry, depending on the circumstances.

I'm also not convinced he'll only be valuable to contenders. A bottom struggling franchise could see Terry as a charismatic guy that will become a fan favorite, and his tweener status won't matter as much to them, they'll just want him to come in a score, and entertain.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by jthig32

No way on Al Jefferson. He's one of the more underrated young stars in the game right now.

I think Terry holds about the same value now that he had when we aquired him. He's a few years older and more expensive, but he's also improved, and shown that he can come up big in the playoffs and is not afraid to take big shots.

I think you can get a borderline all star in return for Terry, depending on the circumstances.

I'm also not convinced he'll only be valuable to contenders. A bottom struggling franchise could see Terry as a charismatic guy that will become a fan favorite, and his tweener status won't matter as much to them, they'll just want him to come in a score, and entertain.

That's a lot of money to pay somebody to be a fan favorite.

I stick by what I said. I think the list of teams that would have serious interest in Terry is pretty short.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

Terry for Al Jefferson, maybe?

I don't know if Boston would do that and I don't know how the salaries work....

...but I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I can't see them moving Jefferson.

I can see them moving Paul Pierce though, if they get Oden. They would need a PG that can run a half court offense with Jefferson and Oden. They would need a PG that can shoot lights out, and dump the ball down low-- Terry can do that.

Would it take more than just Terry, sure : but I can see where Boston might make the deal if it were sweetened properly.

[alexamenos]

yeah -- I just really like Jefferson's game and I'd love to see him play more often (as a Maverick!?).

please consider this my contribution to the "hey, maybe we can trade two scrubs and 2nd round pick for Lebron James" genre of trade-talk literature..

[Stranger]

Great post. The players from those teams that interest me and might be available are:

Lamar Odom (first choice, may not be available)
Shane Battier
Udonis Haslem
James Posey (FA)
Sasha Pavlovic (FA)
Anderson Varejao (FA)
Larry Hughes

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

That's a lot of money to pay somebody to be a fan favorite.

I stick by what I said. I think the list of teams that would have serious interest in Terry is pretty short.

You may very well be right. But, I do think he can bring more than just being a fan favorite, and bad teams do give out big contracts.

I wonder if the Clippers would send us Mobley for him. Would you do that deal?

[Stranger]

If they are going to run a Princeton-style offense with Adelman in Houston, Terry could be very valuable to them. How about Terry for Shane Battier and Luther Head? The salaries work.

[alexamenos]

the only guy in that list that really helps the mavs (as a replacement for JET) is Odom --

He can do a little something inside, at least against small-ballers;
He can pass the basketball.

(I love battier's game, but I don't see it as an upgrade over what JET provides)

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Stranger

If they are going to run a Princeton-style offense with Adelman in Houston, Terry could be very valuable to them. How about Terry for Shane Battier and Luther Head? The salaries work.

I don't really understand how Battier would help our team. I think he's an underrated player, and I like his game, but he's kind of a poor man's Josh Howard.

Not sure they bring enough different things to play together.

[mkat]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

KG -- off the top of my head, the only thing here that really blows my skirt up is JET for Andrew Bynum + whatever is necessary to make the deal work....

...but, I understand that the Lakers were reluctant to consider giving up Bynum for Kidd, so Bynum for JET seems even less likely.

maybe after the way their season ended, they'd be a little more willing...

i'd love to see what Avery and Co. could do with Bynum.

[mkat]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

Terry for Al Jefferson, maybe?

I don't know if Boston would do that and I don't know how the salaries work....

...but I'd do it in a heartbeat.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...2389&teams=2~6

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Stranger

Lamar Odom
Shane Battier
Udonis Haslem
James Posey (FA)
Sasha Pavlovic (FA)
Anderson Varejao (FA)
Larry Hughes

Lamar Odem -- where are you going to play him. He is a PF/SF w/o post up game. He is a distributor, and doesn't play the defensive end with the passion he plays on offense. He ends up a backup PF on the Mavs.

Battier/Haslem/Varejao -- very good players, but they are hustling PF's that look great beside dominant Centers. They are Eddie Najera when they don't have that Center.

Posey/Pavlovic -- I have no interest in -- IMO they are a downgrade from Terry.

Hughes -- he is a less efficient Terry, might as well keep the one you have.

[Stranger]

I think having Battier and Howard would improve our defense and rebounding significantly (especially since Battier would be replacing the undersized Terry as a started). He would be more of a roleplayer on offense than Josh, a guy who would look for open three-pointers and putbacks. His three point shot is more reliable than Josh's. He may not be ideal, but I don't see too much of a problem with having two swingmen like Howard on the team.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by jthig32

You may very well be right. But, I do think he can bring more than just being a fan favorite, and bad teams do give out big contracts.

I wonder if the Clippers would send us Mobley for him. Would you do that deal?

No. Mobley is 32, and he really isn't that much bigger than Terry.

I think the only trade that's going to end up making some degree of sense for both teams is Terry for Hughes (we'd have to add some salary to match). I don't know that I'd deal Terry to get Hughes.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

No. Mobley is 32, and he really isn't that much bigger than Terry.

I think the only trade that's going to end up making some degree of sense for both teams is Terry for Hughes (we'd have to add some salary to match). I don't know that I'd deal Terry to get Hughes.

Man, I would MUCH rather have Mobley than Hughes. Mobley is still an undersized SG, but he's a good 3-4 inches and 30-40 pounds bigger than Terry.

I'm not sure I'd do it either, but I have ZERO interest in Hughes, that's for sure.

[Stranger]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Lamar Odem -- where are you going to play him. He is a PF/SF w/o post up game. He is a distributor, and doesn't play the defensive end with the passion he plays on offense. He ends up a backup PF on the Mavs.

I think you may be underrating Odom. If they would take Terry for him I would make the trade in a second. We would play him at small forward and move Josh to shooting guard. He can play in the post, and he averaged nearly as many assists as Terry last year. He would also be a huge asset against teams that force us to go small, and he makes it very tough to double Dirk with small forwards.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Stranger

I think you ma be underrating Odom. If they would take Terry for him I would make the trade in a second. We would play him at small forward and move Josh to shooting guard. He can play in the post, and he averaged nearly as many assists as Terry last year. He would also be a huge asset against teams that force us to go small, and he makes it very tough to double Dirk with small forwards.

Maybe, but I am a fan of Odom. I just think that he is a Dirk-lite. If you play him at SF, then he is going to get to guard the McGrady's, Pierce's, Carter's of this world, and I haven't seen him be able to do that so far.

That would be a very interesting lineup though, if this were the only move done in the offseason.

Harris, Howard, Odom, Nowitzki, Damp/Diop (depending on matchup).
Very interesting to say the least.

[alexamenos]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Maybe, but I am a fan of Odom. I just think that he is a Dirk-lite. ...

I don't quite see it this way -- to me he's less *Dirk-lite* and more *Dirk-complementary*. His passing skills would really help this team and I would swear that I've seen him do some nice things inside at least against the Phoenix's of the world.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Man, I would MUCH rather have Mobley than Hughes. Mobley is still an undersized SG, but he's a good 3-4 inches and 30-40 pounds bigger than Terry.

I'm not sure I'd do it either, but I have ZERO interest in Hughes, that's for sure.

I can't really disagree with this. I'm not a big Hughes fan. At all.

But, I think Mobley is also a less efficient version of Terry. He's not a good defender, isn't any better as a passer or creator than Terry, and really doesn't do anything as well as Terry does. He just offers more size.

I don't think that's enough to do the deal.

It may be really tough to find a way to deal Terry.

[kg_veteran]

Re: Odom, I see no way that LA would give up Odom for Terry. If they deal Odom, they'll be packaging him to try and land a big star like Jermaine O'Neal, Garnett, or Kidd.

EDIT: As for Varejao, I think Cleveland wants to keep him, and it'd have to be a sign-and-trade. Same for Kapono, and I'm not really comfortable paying Kapono what it would take to make such a deal work. Also, I don't think Kapono's enough in return for Terry.

[kg_veteran]

jthig - One other thought about Mobley. A Mobley/No. 14 for Terry/No. 34 trade might have some appeal. What do you think?

[alexamenos]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Re: Odom, I see no way that LA would give up Odom for Terry. If they deal Odom, they'll be packaging him to try and land a big star like Jermaine O'Neal, Garnett, or Kidd.

yeah, but I think the Lakers are being a bit optimistic if they think they can get O'Neal or Garnett for Odom straight up.

I elsewhere put forward Howard for Odom. I think Kobe could use a guy like Howard more than Odom -- Howard could take some of Kobe's scoring early and some of Kobe's defense late....who cares if Howard can't or won't score in the 4th quarter so long as you've got Kobe?

....plausibly, I think Dirk would benefit more from a guy like Odom than Howard.

then again, I'd hate to see J-Ho in a Lakers uniform.

[kg_veteran]

I didn't say straight up, I said in a package. I think LA would have to offer Odom/Bynum/No. 1 to get O'Neal.

[bcrav4]

I think Kwame Brown is more likely the center of a Lakers trade than Odom. How does adding Terry for Odom help LA?

Houston is a horrible trading partner, not to mention that they play in our division.

Cleveland would definitely be in the Finals with Terry. Have you seen Hughes this post-seaon? He's been awful! Much rather have Gooden, but once again how does that help Cleveland?

Nobody on Miami really helps us win a championship either.

[alexamenos]

Originally Posted by bcrav4

I think Kwame Brown is more likely the center of a Lakers trade than Odom. How does adding Terry for Odom help LA?

LA could use a true scorer to take some of the load off of Kobe for extended periods of time.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

jthig - One other thought about Mobley. A Mobley/No. 14 for Terry/No. 34 trade might have some appeal. What do you think?

Hmm. I think I might do that.

#14 in this draft is a pretty nice pick.

On your point about Mobley not doing anything as well as Terry, the thing he does well is play an actual SG position. I'm personally not AS concerned with the prototypical size of a SG (although it's certainly preferable), but rather with the prototypical ROLE of a SG.

Mobley could come in and bring a lot of what Terry gives this team, except that it wouldn't be at the expense of Harris or whatever PG this team wants to play.

It's not a perfect scenario, that's for sure. I'd prefer a lot more from my SG spot. But I think Mobley might fit better than Terry. Maybe.

I do think I'd do that deal if those draft picks were involved. If nothing else it chops three years off the contract, while getting a (possibly) similarly productive player.

[Dtownsfinest]

I don't see why Boston, Memphis, or Seattle would be interested in Terry. None of those teams are going to contend for a few years.

You don't think with Terry the Celtics become a contender in the East? Honestly, I don't even see why they have the worst record in basketball anyway. But if they get that #1 pick they definately become contenders. I was listening to some idiot on ESPN 103.3 on the weekend from Boston and he believes that if they don't get the #1 pick then they will trade out because they actually feel they can contend right now but only with Oden and not Durant. I'm not sure where JET would fit with Boston because they are high on Delonte West but maybe in a 6th man role?

[alexamenos]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

You don't think with Terry the Celtics become a contender in the East? Honestly, I don't even see why they have the worst record in basketball anyway. But if they get that #1 pick they definately become contenders....

A Jefferson/Oden frontcourt is gonna be a contender for a long, long, long time.

[MascisMan]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

A Jefferson/Oden frontcourt is gonna be a contender for a long, long, long time.

Could be an overnight change. T. Allen was really coming on this year before he got injured. G. Green came on too.

PG: West/Rondo
SG: Sczerb/Green
SF: Pierce/Allen
PF: Jefferson/Gomes
C: Oden/Perkins

This lineup in the east could definitely get in at 8 or 7 seed if they are healthy. They could trade Telfair and/or Sczerb for anything needed

[DelNegro]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

One other thing. Terry's not a spring chicken, and he makes a lot of money now, so any team looking to acquire him would have to have pretty immediate championship (or deep playoff) aspirations.

So what teams fit this definition? IMO, there are only a few:

Houston (McGrady)
Los Angeles (Kobe)
Cleveland (LeBron)
Miami (Wade)

Good list. I could also see Philly being interested in Terry. Not because they're looking at a deep playoff run anytime soon, but they've got a GM who's trying to save his job and needs to show definitive improvement next year.

Outside of those teams though, I don't think there's much of a market for the guy. As you've already said teams are going to be scared off by something, be it his contract or him being a tweener.

[Lor20]

Originally Posted by MascisMan

Could be an overnight change. T. Allen was really coming on this year before he got injured. G. Green came on too.

PG: West/Rondo
SG: Sczerb/Green
SF: Pierce/Allen
PF: Jefferson/Gomes
C: Oden/Perkins

This lineup in the east could definitely get in at 8 or 7 seed if they are healthy. They could trade Telfair and/or Sczerb for anything needed

if that lineup becomes reality and they stay healthy and oden really makes as much of an impact as ppl think he will then that might even put them at around #4 or 5 in the east.

[argo]

I think Terry would do well in Portland as a PG next to Roy.
I also think they would rather add vets then add more youth.

Depending on what they get in the draft,

I could see Terry ,Ager and a future for Joel Przy. Webster, and Jack.

Both teams would benifit from that trade.