Official Lebron, Wade, Bosh FA watch thread. - Page 6 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

grndmstr_c · 07-01-2010, 11:04 AM

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With Bosh’s input, the Raptors have worked out the framework of sign-and-trade agreements with several teams, including the Rockets, the individual said, but have not been told to complete any deal.

Called it.

Underdog · 07-01-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

http://espn.go.com/nba/

I'd be pumped that Dallas' name is on there, but they have both Newark and Brooklyn listed for the Nets so it's a bit hard to get excited...

SMC0007 · 07-01-2010, 12:17 PM

I frickin want to punch Ric Bucher right in his stupid face!!!!!!!! Jeezus, shut up! You too chris Broussssard.

Windmill360 · 07-01-2010, 12:34 PM

Tweeter close to Bosh says @hadisworld Just getting word 1 of the big 7 Free agents is off the market....apparently it'll be official soon.

- TrueHoop, Twitter

MaVs 41 BaLler · 07-01-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Tweeter close to Bosh says @hadisworld Just getting word 1 of the big 7 Free agents is off the market....apparently it'll be official soon.

- TrueHoop, Twitter

John Salmons?

Windmill360 · 07-01-2010, 01:39 PM

I wouldn't count him in the big 7. Probably JJ.

nikeball · 07-01-2010, 01:49 PM

What happens if an NBA team is over the cap, used their MLE and Bi-Annual Exception and all that other stuff.. and has like 10 players on their roster? Who are they allowed to sign?

Kidd Karma · 07-01-2010, 01:55 PM

Interesting thought, with the looming CBA up and talks of losing 400 million, why are owners tossing out contracts of 120 million to everyone? I mean if the league was in such turmoil, wouldn't you do business with a little bit more caution. Here are the Knicks planning on bringing out the best for a Lebron visit that never materialized? Come one, geez, if the league was in such dire straits, wouldn't you reign in your spending?

jthig32 · 07-01-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nikeball

What happens if an NBA team is over the cap, used their MLE and Bi-Annual Exception and all that other stuff.. and has like 10 players on their roster? Who are they allowed to sign?

Veteran minimum players.

Mav Addict · 07-01-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Tweeter close to Bosh says @hadisworld Just getting word 1 of the big 7 Free agents is off the market....apparently it'll be official soon.

- TrueHoop, Twitter

Rudy Gay...dammit I wanted him to come to Dallas....after LBJ and Wade

Edit: 5year/$82 million

FINtastic · 07-01-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav Addict

Rudy Gay...dammit I wanted him to come to Dallas....after LBJ and Wade

Edit: 5year/$82 million

Uh, why?

FINtastic · 07-01-2010, 03:38 PM

Btw, is Chris Wallace the only GM in the league that would sign his slightly-above-average restricted free agent to a max deal on the first day of free agency? He never disappoints, does he?

Mav Addict · 07-01-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

Uh, why?

Why not?....he is better than Caron and younger than JJ

GuerillaBlack · 07-01-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Tweeter close to Bosh says @hadisworld Just getting word 1 of the big 7 Free agents is off the market....apparently it'll be official soon.

- TrueHoop, Twitter

ESPN just had a some news in their scoll thing, saying that Pat Riley has contacted Amare on being on a team with LeBron and Wade...so no Bosh? Interesting stuff.

FINtastic · 07-01-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav Addict

Why not?....he is better than Caron and younger than JJ

He's really not that much better than Caron, we already have a logjam at small forward, it was going to take an albatross of a contract to do it, and he's always been a bit of an underachiever. I'm more than happy to watch Chris Wallace give him a contract that he'll never live up to. It's much more humorous to watch someone else do it.

MaVs 41 BaLler · 07-01-2010, 04:04 PM

What if we picked up Pierce? Sure he's old but so is Dirk and Kidd.

GuerillaBlack · 07-01-2010, 04:07 PM

I'm pretty sure Pierce is signing back with Boston. He just wanted a new contract under the current CBA...like Dirk.

Dirkadirkastan · 07-01-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I'd be pumped that Dallas' name is on there, but they have both Newark and Brooklyn listed for the Nets so it's a bit hard to get excited...

So what if the Nets have a 2/8 = 1/4 chance at Lebron? They had the same odds to win the draft lottery, ask them how that went.

tcat075 · 07-01-2010, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

So what if the Nets have a 2/8 = 1/4 chance at Lebron? They had the same odds to win the draft lottery, ask them how that went.

The Net's odds go a little like this.

Dirkenstien · 07-01-2010, 09:11 PM

So what do yall think of the "$1billion earnings" pitch NY made to Lebron.

http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/...llion-dollars/

They're essentially saying in New York he has a 50% hot at earning at least one billion, but in Cleveland and Chicago that drops to 1% and in Miami it's 0%.

Effective?

Honestly I hope someone starts pulling at Lebron. The greater the chance he's leaving the better chance Dallas has.

GermanDunk · 07-01-2010, 09:14 PM

Look at Us. The Garden. Over Here.
By HARVEY ARATON
Published: July 1, 2010

For two years, the Knicks have been selling hope at exorbitant prices and depositing the receipts in a high-risk account, to be used primarily this summer on LeBron James. All along, there has been a disquieting undercurrent to the plan, the specter of presumption or delusion.

Mike and Bron meeting in Cleveland

It wasn’t quite all or nothing, with other free agents to pursue, or potentially overpay. But there was always an element of Wall Street speculation to the scheme, the over-the-rainbow belief that James — a 25-year-old prince of the planet — would be intoxicated by the opportunity to play basketball in New York City.

Did the city also naïvely buy into the gutting of the team’s roster and the tanking of two seasons after eight years of mediocrity or worse because, like the Knicks, it embraced a fool’s-gold principle that James needs Madison Square Garden even half as much as the Garden needs him?

There has long been a widely held belief that the N.B.A. would exponentially be enhanced by having a powerhouse team in the New York market. By extension comes the premise that a superstar like James would equally benefit from playing in Madison Square Garden, locally known as the World’s Most Famous Arena.

But if ever there was discrediting imagery to that myth, it was when a Knicks contingent led by the owner James L. Dolan jetted into Cleveland on Thursday to, in effect, beg James to come save the franchise from its own sense of self-aggrandizement.

With suitors other than Cleveland readying offers of almost $100 million on top of the ransom James takes annually from a multitude of endorsements, it is conspicuously clear that the sport has provided quite well for the league’s gifted and talented despite a decade of Knicks irrelevance and no championship in New York since 1973.

James may yet choose New York over remaining in Cleveland or going to Chicago or Miami or, say, even Newark/Brooklyn, and in the process bring along a desirable friend like the free-agent power forward Chris Bosh. But if he doesn’t — and preliminary reports seemed to be moving in that direction — the Knicks could be left with consolation prizes at paralyzing costs — and that’s if they’re lucky — along with questions about the two-year gamble that has now characterized them as the most buoyancy-challenged party in the deep end of the free-agent pool.

If they do sink into another decade of underachievement and incur the wrath of their long-suffering fans, they will have only themselves to blame for failing to study the history and geography of the contemporary N.B.A. megastar.

Michael Jordan ruled the basketball universe for a decade from a throne in downtown Chicago. James became a money-printing icon without winning a single championship in his seven-year run in Cleveland.

Did the Knicks really love the odds of winning his signature with celebrity chefs and video pleas from the rich and famous but without a modestly respectable cast of complementary talent?

The Knicks have been far from alone in discarding players they weren’t going to win a championship with in order to get in the game for James and the rest of this summer’s splashy catch. The difference is that they have managed to position themselves as the most desperate of James supplicants based on who they are, how bad they’ve become, how much they’ve promised and how little they will have to offer their fan base if Plans A and B do not work out.

The expectations for them are overwhelming and the early tea leaves are not promising. Secondary acquisition targets like Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay are reportedly close to re-signing with Atlanta and Memphis, respectively, for more money than the Knicks could offer them under the complicated rules of the N.B.A.’s collective bargaining agreement.

Speculation has had James still feeling the love from Cleveland or going to Chicago, which created space under the salary cap without diminishing a core of young talent. Dwyane Wade has always been a long shot to leave Miami, where he has already won a championship and will attract a companion star like Bosh, who is said to prefer a place where he does not have to carry the burden as the No. 1 star, as he did in Toronto.

Unless James comes with him, Bosh is unlikely to be in a New York state of mind, which means that the Knicks’ foreseeable future now rides on Thursday’s pitch to James.

This is what happens when you aim for the stars without first building a strong foundation to stand on, when free-agent money must compensate for the lack of analytical prowess in the college draft and the careful compilation of assets, when the future of your franchise rests on a 25-year-old who has everything but a championship and must be convinced the best place to win one is in New York.

Even if it’s been 37 years — or 12 years before James was born — since that’s been the case.

Dirkenstien · 07-01-2010, 09:27 PM

Good article. They sure have put a lot of stock into this off-season and to be frank it's not really looking promising. I wonder if they lottery or at least top 1-3 protected those picks they traded away? It could be a long uphill battle if they strike out.

sefant77 · 07-01-2010, 11:18 PM

They didnt throw two years away, with the future picks in Houston it was even more....

twistaeffect2004 · 07-01-2010, 11:28 PM

A couple of sources are saying that Amare and the Knicks have come to an agreement.

http://twitter.com/tommydeetkb
"Trying to confirm but source says Amare to NY is "almost" done and they are "working out numbers"...half of the pick and roll set? #july1st"
http://twitter.com/BenjaminHochma
"We have sources confirming that Amare has accepted a deal with the #NY #Knicks #NBA #FreeAgent"

grndmstr_c · 07-01-2010, 11:43 PM

Amare would be the first one to pick NY.

BGMaverick9 · 07-02-2010, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Amare would be the first one to pick NY.

Good luck without Nash

grndmstr_c · 07-02-2010, 12:17 AM

Amare to the Knicks sounds like a B.S. rumor. From Woj:

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Knicks haven't yet made an offer to Amar'e, sources say. Sides will talk over weekend. LBJ and Wade still recruiting forwards for themselves

Dangit. And that fit in so well with my contempt for Amare.

rabbitproof · 07-02-2010, 06:59 AM

Reports the LBJ wants to make up his mind by the 5th.

I'm starting to think the Mavs were never in the LBJ race..

tcat075 · 07-02-2010, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Reports the LBJ wants to make up his mind by the 5th.

I'm starting to think the Mavs were never in the LBJ race..

Heh. I knew they never were. That's a bit harsh, but I had serious, serious doubts about James coming here. It was just too perfect.

SMC0007 · 07-02-2010, 09:48 AM

We all knew we aren't in the LBJ race to begin with. Lets get real. Sometimes the ultra optimistic dreamer in us starts to implant these thoughts and those who haven't been scorched by the wicked ways of the world don't know any better and it becomes contagious. Then all of the sudden hope creeps in to a few others and it's like "whoa maybe, doh, well we have a lot to offer", bah shut up. The big dogs don't come to Dallas. We got lucky with Dirk. Now sit back and wait for a miracle.

:l

Underdog · 07-02-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

We all knew we aren't in the LBJ race to begin with. Lets get real. Sometimes the ultra optimistic dreamer in us starts to implant these thoughts and those who haven't been scorched by the wicked ways of the world don't know any better and it becomes contagious. Then all of the sudden hope creeps in to a few others and it's like "whoa maybe, doh, well we have a lot to offer", bah shut up. The big dogs don't come to Dallas. We got lucky with Dirk. Now sit back and wait for a miracle.

:l

You're the first person I'm calling out when LeBron signs here...

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

We all knew we aren't in the LBJ race to begin with. Lets get real. Sometimes the ultra optimistic dreamer in us starts to implant these thoughts and those who haven't been scorched by the wicked ways of the world don't know any better and it becomes contagious. Then all of the sudden hope creeps in to a few others and it's like "whoa maybe, doh, well we have a lot to offer", bah shut up. The big dogs don't come to Dallas. We got lucky with Dirk. Now sit back and wait for a miracle.

:l

Hooray for optimism!

LonghornDub · 07-02-2010, 12:13 PM

You all realize that Lebron (or any other FA) not signing here doesn't prove that we were "never in the Lebron race," right?

Just checking.

Dirkadirkastan · 07-02-2010, 12:52 PM

The thing to get excited about Lebron has been the fact there is no red tape in the way. No salary cap issues, trade restrictions, amount of money in the contract, or even anything Cleveland could do to stop it (unless they're stupid). If Lebron wants to be a Maverick, he's in with a max deal. The ONLY issue is whether he wants to be here, and we have a laundry list of reasons why he should consider it.

Of course, he may never look at the list or even realize he's on our radar. He may be secretly predisposed to head to some other city and he's pulling our leg with all this indecisive free agent crap. We can't read his mind. But we do realize that's all it comes down to and we have as good a case as anybody.

tcat075 · 07-02-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

You're the first person I'm calling out when LeBron signs here...

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Hooray for optimism!

I like how you guys call out SMC when my post right above his says the exact same thing.

tcat075 · 07-02-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

The thing to get excited about Lebron has been the fact there is no red tape in the way. No salary cap issues, trade restrictions, amount of money in the contract, or even anything Cleveland could do to stop it (unless they're stupid). If Lebron wants to be a Maverick, he's in with a max deal. The ONLY issue is whether he wants to be here, and we have a laundry list of reasons why he should consider it.

Of course, he may never look at the list or even realize he's on our radar. He may be secretly predisposed to head to some other city and he's pulling our leg with all this indecisive free agent crap. We can't read his mind. But we do realize that's all it comes down to and we have as good a case as anybody.

What does this mean? Yes, there are definitely red tape in the way. We have to sign and trade to get him, and Cleveland has said they aren't doing it. That seems like a legitimate issue right there. Now, I do think they're bluffing, but its not just "max deal and we get him". Its that simple for Chicago, New York and Miami. Not us.

Dirkadirkastan · 07-02-2010, 03:36 PM

No, those teams CAN'T give him a max deal, and I said right there Cleveland could block it, but they would be stupid.

tcat075 · 07-02-2010, 03:52 PM

Those team can give him a max deal. If Miami wants to sign, say, Bosh and Wade as well, THEN they can't give max.

While it may be stupid for Cleveland to block Dallas from coming here, they have clearly said they are not going to do it. Whether they're bluffing, like most think, or whether they're completely serious, that is an issue that has to be dealt with. They could not like the deal we offer, so there is a potential issue. All I'm trying to say is that a S&T clearly is not as flat out simple as it is to just go sign an unrestricted free agent. So many more hoops to jump through in a S&T.

dalmations202 · 07-02-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

Those team can give him a max deal. If Miami wants to sign, say, Bosh and Wade as well, THEN they can't give max.

While it may be stupid for Cleveland to block Dallas from coming here, they have clearly said they are not going to do it. Whether they're bluffing, like most think, or whether they're completely serious, that is an issue that has to be dealt with. They could not like the deal we offer, so there is a potential issue. All I'm trying to say is that a S&T clearly is not as flat out simple as it is to just go sign an unrestricted free agent. So many more hoops to jump through in a S&T.

But the SNT offers more $$$$$.

Cleveland can offer the most because the increases are by 10.5% instead of 8.5% by rule. Hence the SNT being a "sign" by Cleveland then the trade makes it the true Max.

One of the reasons that I doubt the Wade, Bron, Bosh deal in Miami is that Wade would pocket the most $$$$, unless the other two are gotten by SNT. I am not sure Miami has enough assets left to get them via SNT.

Maybe LBJ will leave $$$$ on the table, but I am doubting it.

tcat075 · 07-02-2010, 04:24 PM

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But the SNT offers more $$$$$.

Cleveland can offer the most because the increases are by 10.5% instead of 8.5% by rule. Hence the SNT being a "sign" by Cleveland then the trade makes it the true Max.

One of the reasons that I doubt the Wade, Bron, Bosh deal in Miami is that Wade would pocket the most $$$$, unless the other two are gotten by SNT. I am not sure Miami has enough assets left to get them via SNT.

Maybe LBJ will leave $$$$ on the table, but I am doubting it.

That is true. I forgot about that part. I still think there are some issues, but yes, it is true that if he wanted the most money, he could come to a team that already has a good core.