Coach is a p**** for not letting Terry get record - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

GermanBlitzkrieg · 05-09-2011, 09:59 AM

Who else thinks this was a BIG mistake by Carlisle? A person doesn't get a chance at a record very often, and I thought Carlisle was a punk for not giving Terry a chance. Terry will not be a hall-of-famer, but he could have been in the record books! Not trying to beat the records is just a bad, communist, no-one-can-stand-out, politically correct BS, lack of respect thing to do.

BGMaverick9 · 05-09-2011, 10:03 AM

Not me.

The game was getting chippy, no need for him to force the issue. He is in the record book, he's tied with some pretty stellar shooters.

The Crippler · 05-09-2011, 10:07 AM

Good lord.

The game is not about individual records. It's about the team.

dude1394 · 05-09-2011, 10:08 AM

This is a ridiculous thread. Do better...

If you want to gripe about it, gripe about it like a sane person, not a lunatic.

DirkFTW · 05-09-2011, 10:11 AM

Is this a spoof of another thread?

Marionsucks · 05-09-2011, 10:20 AM

The Mavs go on to sweep the Lakers when no one thought it would be possible, now they make it to the WCF and all you can talk about is a three point record? You're like a kid that wouldn't be satisfied even if you had your own genie.

iella · 05-09-2011, 10:24 AM

No, dude. Just, no.

SMC0007 · 05-09-2011, 10:35 AM

RC is awesome. End of Story.

LonghornDub · 05-09-2011, 10:39 AM

Delete thread, ban user.

purplefrog · 05-09-2011, 10:40 AM

In my opinion, RC should get zero criticism for a long, long, long time. I too have found myself wondering about this or that with Carlisle but the fact is he is currently a genius in my book. Right now it is pretty much blind faith in whatever he chooses to do. Period.

GermanBlitzkrieg · 05-09-2011, 10:54 AM

Longhorndub, you're acting down right anti-American, (OK this is too heavy too, I should post more often, be less emotional) censure me because I see something one way and you don't. I may have been too heavy handed with the title, but I think Terry may be upset to a small degree. As I said, he had a chance to make history. In 20 years, nobody will care about this year's championship. But people could sit there going, "I remember when..." if Terry set the record.

And my point is still this: a team sport? Check. Need others to succeed? Yes. But do ANY of us really NOT want recognition for our individual accomplishments? Of course we do. And Terry deserved a chance at that recognition.

If the title is too heavy handed, and the first post too strong, delete the thread. Or rename it. This is a private board, so the mods can do whatever.
I find this ironic from purplefrog's signature, however:

"Adversity cause some men to break; others to break records." -William A. Ward

Not if you play for Rick Carlisle.

And of course he did a great job coaching. I still think my point is valid, if put too strongly earlier.

GermanBlitzkrieg · 05-09-2011, 10:56 AM

Mods, delete this. Save me the heartache.

BGMaverick9 · 05-09-2011, 11:02 AM

Again...he's IN the record book. Sure he doesn't own it but it's still right there as a historical accomplishment.

What would you be saying if he was going for the record and Artest chops him at the knee?
Please, let me know...

j0Shi · 05-09-2011, 11:10 AM

omg ...

Btw.: We only had TWO cheat shots by Odom and Bynum because they were frustrated. What would have happened if they figured out that Terry was still on the floor to get a record?

jthig32 · 05-09-2011, 11:15 AM

I'm leaving this thread here, as a reminder to people to think before they post. Consider it a public service announcement, like when they make you watch those gore videos in driver's ed.

Remember kids, don't post while stupid.

sefant77 · 05-09-2011, 11:17 AM

This team is far beyond personal records.

Dirk will give a rats ass if he is NBA 1st or 2nd team. He would give a rats ass who would be finals MVP if they win...

Ah and your nickname blows.

GermanBlitzkrieg · 05-09-2011, 11:25 AM

Ok, if you want a civil discussion of the idea, what if "Artest chops him at the knee"?, and other thoughts. I will make 2 points: 1) Artest, if it's clear it was premeditated, should be arrested for assault. Right now, Bynum should have been arrested. There was little doubt he knew what he was doing. He was almost bragging. Using sports and arenas as a shield for CLEARLY illegal behavior should not be allowed. It shouldn't be up to the NBA. He should be arrested. This is for ANY premeditated attack.
2) This is cowardly thinking. Appeasement. The same think that says:"Don't kill Bin Laden, they may REALLY hurt us then!" Doesn't ever work.

Ask Neville Chamberlain.

SMC0007 · 05-09-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

omg ...

Btw.: We only had TWO cheat shots by Odom and Bynum because they were frustrated. What would have happened if they figured out that Terry was still on the floor to get a record?

cheat shot or cheap shot?

DirkFTW · 05-09-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanBlitzkrieg

In 20 years, nobody will care about this year's championship.

Uh... if --IF-- it is the Mavs that win, I and many here will never ever forget. Nor will Kidd, Dirk, Terry, Peja, Tyson etc. ever forget. It's the freaking championship!

LonghornDub · 05-09-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanBlitzkrieg

Longhorndub, you're acting down right anti-American, (OK this is too heavy too, I should post more often, be less emotional) censure me because I see something one way and you don't.

It was a joke.

Underdog · 05-09-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanBlitzkrieg

Ok, if you want a civil discussion of the idea, what if "Artest chops him at the knee"?, and other thoughts. I will make 2 points: 1) Artest, if it's clear it was premeditated, should be arrested for assault. Right now, Bynum should have been arrested. There was little doubt he knew what he was doing. He was almost bragging. Using sports and arenas as a shield for CLEARLY illegal behavior should not be allowed. It shouldn't be up to the NBA. He should be arrested. This is for ANY premeditated attack.
2) This is cowardly thinking. Appeasement. The same think that says:"Don't kill Bin Laden, they may REALLY hurt us then!" Doesn't ever work.

Ask Neville Chamberlain.

Kidd Karma · 05-09-2011, 12:00 PM

Barnes, Fisher were still available. A record is not worth losing a player. The game was decided.

Sportstudi · 05-09-2011, 12:26 PM

As much as I would have loved to see Terry getting the record, it's not worth a severe injury. After those cheap shots by Odom and Bynum, there were still other crazy idiots out there (like Barnes) who would have liked to hurt him.

GermanBlitzkrieg · 05-09-2011, 12:56 PM

And I say again: a "cheap shot", premeditated, is assault. It should be treated as such. In a sport like basketball, when Barea went for the layup, he could expect some contact. But he opened himself up, and Bynum tried to hurt him. That's illegal. He should be arrested. After a couple of arrests, such stuff would STOP. You wouldn't have to worry about Barnes, etc..
The difference between fighting, like boxing and MMA, is that contestants know to protect themselves. They agree that violence is coming, they accept it. Barea plays a sport that IS NOT VIOLENT in nature. He didn't expect what happened. He didn't expect to have to protect himself. Big difference.
For those who thinks he should not have been arrested, what if he had killed him? What then? "Oh, it's just part of the game"? Nope. It's not. Never has been. It's just assault.

Records should be set without having to worry about physical retaliation. Period.

Underdog · 05-09-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanBlitzkrieg

And I say again: a "cheap shot", premeditated, is assault. It should be treated as such. In a sport like basketball, when Barea went for the layup, he could expect some contact. But he opened himself up, and Bynum tried to hurt him. That's illegal. He should be arrested. After a couple of arrests, such stuff would STOP. You wouldn't have to worry about Barnes, etc..
The difference between fighting, like boxing and MMA, is that contestants know to protect themselves. They agree that violence is coming, they accept it. Barea plays a sport that IS NOT VIOLENT in nature. He didn't expect what happened. He didn't expect to have to protect himself. Big difference.
For those who thinks he should not have been arrested, what if he had killed him? What then? "Oh, it's just part of the game"? Nope. It's not. Never has been. It's just assault.

Records should be set without having to worry about physical retaliation. Period.

What the f*ck does that have to do with ANYTHING???

If Terry stays in, hits the 3-pointer, then gets injured, the last thing I give a damn about is whether or not the person who injured him goes to jail. I'm worried about the fact that JASON TERRY IS OUT FOR THE REST OF THE PLAYOFFS... Who gives a sh!t about "justice" when the risk obviously wasn't worth the reward.

You have a very naive and ego-driven viewpoint of the world.

mav4ever · 05-09-2011, 01:15 PM

lol @ "arrest then!!"

could honestly care less about the records, and i bet terry sees it the same way.

Underdog · 05-09-2011, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mav4ever

lol @ "arrest then!!"

could honestly care less about the records, and i bet terry sees it the same way.

Exactly - Terry only cares about a ring. Everyone on the Mavs does.

His potential injury (it doesn't even have to be intentional) just to set some personal record (which he already tied) isn't worth risking in a championship run...

GermanBlitzkrieg · 05-09-2011, 01:37 PM

I'm glad so many people here know "for sure" that Terry doesn't care about the record! I'm not saying that he doesn't care about a championship more, but I bet he does care. He didn't play for over a quarter!

So far as naive and selfish goes, one question: should records not be kept? What's the purpose? If they are sacrosanct, if you get nothing but retaliation for breaking one, then why keep them, or why keep score? If breaking a record is bad? Somebody may hurt us, 'cause we beat them! Whaaaaaa!

In track, and other sports, do people worry that they will be beat up if they set a new record? Do you want the current 100 meter dash record to never be broken? Come on, that should not be considered! These people already get paid MILLIONS. They should keep things in perspective, more than the average man actually. Certainly, not attack someone with premeditation.

Criminal activity should not be condoned. Arrest Bynum NOW. Start with him, before somebody else does get hurt. Seriously.

Underdog · 05-09-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanBlitzkrieg

I'm glad so many people here know "for sure" that Terry doesn't care about the record! I'm not saying that he doesn't care about a championship more, but I bet he does care. He didn't play for over a quarter!

So far as naive and selfish goes, one question: should records not be kept? What's the purpose? If they are sacrosanct, if you get nothing but retaliation for breaking one, then why keep them, or why keep score? If breaking a record is bad? Somebody may hurt us, 'cause we beat them! Whaaaaaa!

In track, and other sports, do people worry that they will be beat up if they set a new record? Do you want the current 100 meter dash record to never be broken? Come on, that should not be considered! These people already get paid MILLIONS. They should keep things in perspective, more than the average man actually. Certainly, not attack someone with premeditation.

Criminal activity should not be condoned. Arrest Bynum NOW. Start with him, before somebody else does get hurt. Seriously.

92bDad · 05-09-2011, 01:46 PM

RC let Terry take enough 3's...if Terry hadn't missed that one, he would have the record!!!

Underdog · 05-09-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

RC let Terry take enough 3's...if Terry hadn't missed that one, he would have the record!!!

Good point...

Plus, Terry had about a 3-minute stretch to nail another one (he tried once, but was well-defended and got called for a travel), but he mostly deferred the ball so the TEAM could find the best way to score.

GermanBlitzkrieg · 05-09-2011, 01:56 PM

Underdog, you are truly a rhetorical genius! BRAVA!

92bDad · 05-09-2011, 02:01 PM

I'd be more upset that he didn't let Stevenson go fro 9 more so that he could get the record...but hey, it's about the team first ;-)

Underdog · 05-09-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

I'd be more upset that he didn't let Stevenson go fro 9 more so that he could get the record...but hey, it's about the team first ;-)

DirkFTW · 05-09-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanBlitzkrieg

I'm glad so many people here know "for sure" that Terry doesn't care about the record! I'm not saying that he doesn't care about a championship more, but I bet he does care. He didn't play for over a quarter!

You may want to listen to the man himself. Let me guess, that's faux-joy and he's actually seething underneath the smile?

Keep digging, you're almost out. Seriously.

sinsin · 05-09-2011, 02:32 PM

Did Terry forced his shoots at any point in the game?
More than usual ?
As Terry said at the presser: He didn't even knew he was on his way to the record, he just took the shoots he usually takes, imho.

Mav Addict · 05-09-2011, 02:45 PM

I ain't gonna lie, I wanted JET to break the record, but that was before Lam Lam and Bubba Gump decided to hurt the Mavs...and keep in mind that he did miss one open look and almost forced another look...he accomplished his goal and the Mavs won

dalger · 05-09-2011, 02:57 PM

"GermanBlitzkrieg", "communist, politically correct BS", "anti-American", "Appeasement", "Bin Laden" -- does this thread have a weird vibe, spanning from WWII to The War on Terror?

And no, I don't think that Carlisle should have kept Jet on the court only to get a record that probably doesn't even matter much to Jet anyway at this point. The Lakers were out of control and we couldn't and still can't afford to lose one of our players, either due to another cheap shot by the Lakers or some sort of verbal/physical confrontation.

Carlisle demonstrated the kind of cool head he wants his players to have in those situations. That's not the move of a p****, that's the move of a smart man.

fluid.forty.one · 05-09-2011, 03:04 PM

Not only did Terry not care about the record, he wasn't even aware he was close to it until after the game. And he shouldn't care..... the Mavs just swept the MFing Lakers.

Kante · 05-09-2011, 03:21 PM

Not a smart user!