10-10-2007, 01:36 AM
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5-0, I have never heard of faceguarding being a penalty in the NFL.
I'm not up on the ins and outs of the forceout rule, but I kinda doubt TO would have got both feet down even if no one was on him. He could have, though. We'll never know, but I do think it's not at all certain.
Like you, I am also waiting for a missed kick to be given another chance and then made. How delicious that would be. And I also agree with your point about drops. Frankly, as far as I am concerned the catch that TO went up to get right before Witten's touchdown earned him a couple drops. That one was man-sized.
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10-10-2007, 02:05 AM
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5-0, I have never heard of faceguarding being a penalty in the NFL.
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I don't know if I've heard the official call it face guarding but it's always been my understanding that you can't just face the receiver and flail your arms without making a play on the ball, even if you don't touch him.
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10-10-2007, 02:49 AM
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You have to make a play at the ball, not at the reciever. When you are not even aware where the ball is, that is very hard to do. That is why it was a pass interference.
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10-10-2007, 10:20 AM
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did you guys watch the story on Dallas Cowboys quarterbacks on ESPN.
Nobody can get enough of Romo-mania baby
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10-10-2007, 11:45 AM
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I heard Norm say the other day that faceguarding is no longer a penalty. I haven't heard that anywhere else, but that's what Norm said. With that being said, that 2 point conversion still was pass interference in my book because the guy clearly made contact with TO before TO made contact with the ball.
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10-10-2007, 03:15 PM
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"I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all."
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10-10-2007, 03:44 PM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/p...?urn=nfl,48542
His coverage sucks, but I still think we need him against NE. =/
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"I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all."
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10-10-2007, 04:06 PM
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Wow... Just WOW...
Travis Johnson ends Trent Green's career and doesn't even get FINED for taunting him, let alone suspended, but Roy Williams could get booted for a game when nobody was hurt on the play? Somebody has it out for Dallas...
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10-10-2007, 05:22 PM
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I love Romo's response...
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10-10-2007, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Underdog
Wow... Just WOW...
Travis Johnson ends Trent Green's career and doesn't even get FINED for taunting him, let alone suspended, but Roy Williams could get booted for a game when nobody was hurt on the play? Somebody has it out for Dallas...
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10-10-2007, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Underdog
Wow... Just WOW...
Travis Johnson ends Trent Green's career and doesn't even get FINED for taunting him, let alone suspended, but Roy Williams could get booted for a game when nobody was hurt on the play? Somebody has it out for Dallas...
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"rumor"
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"I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all."
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10-10-2007, 06:16 PM
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I love TO
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10-10-2007, 06:40 PM
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about faceguarding, ive never heard anyone say its no longer against the rules. As you said dirno i dont really hear the officials call it faceguarding but you have to make a play on the ball or at least try to locate it. Newman got called for pi last year on a play when he jumped and the ball hit him in the butt because he never turned around. He never made contact with the receiver.
Chum, if youre talking about the forceout play its not certain but it looked pretty likely that he would have gotten the other foot in if he wasnt forced out.
BTW one other thing about this game. Im waiting on some coach to take advantage of this rule and if the to catch had been a catch last night would have been the perfect time to do so. Everyone knows about the 10 second run off for illegal procedure right? Well there is no such run off for illegal formation. If i was in a situation like last night where i had a receiver catch a ball in bounds, id just have two receivers run up to the line of scrimmage, one hike the ball to the other one and make the other one spike it. I know it sounds nuts and it would be an illegal formation but if no one was moving(and this is the key, the other 9 guys would have to be completely set) that would not be an illegal procedure penalty and as such would not be subject to the ten second run off. I just want to see someone take advantage of that rule.
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10-10-2007, 06:44 PM
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There are a lot of loopholes actually that I don't know why teams don't do.
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10-10-2007, 07:51 PM
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about faceguarding, ive never heard anyone say its no longer against the rules. As you said dirno i dont really hear the officials call it faceguarding but you have to make a play on the ball or at least try to locate it. Newman got called for pi last year on a play when he jumped and the ball hit him in the butt because he never turned around. He never made contact with the receiver.
Chum, if youre talking about the forceout play its not certain but it looked pretty likely that he would have gotten the other foot in if he wasnt forced out.
BTW one other thing about this game. Im waiting on some coach to take advantage of this rule and if the to catch had been a catch last night would have been the perfect time to do so. Everyone knows about the 10 second run off for illegal procedure right? Well there is no such run off for illegal formation. If i was in a situation like last night where i had a receiver catch a ball in bounds, id just have two receivers run up to the line of scrimmage, one hike the ball to the other one and make the other one spike it. I know it sounds nuts and it would be an illegal formation but if no one was moving(and this is the key, the other 9 guys would have to be completely set) that would not be an illegal procedure penalty and as such would not be subject to the ten second run off. I just want to see someone take advantage of that rule.
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Wouldn't the opponent be offsides, also? You wouldn't even lose any yardage for it. I doubt the refs would have any clue what was going on, either.
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10-10-2007, 09:59 PM
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Wouldn't the opponent be offsides, also? You wouldn't even lose any yardage for it. I doubt the refs would have any clue what was going on, either.
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most likely yeah they would but i think if its an illegal formation that would override the offside instead of it being offsetting.
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10-10-2007, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by chumdawg
5-0, I have never heard of faceguarding being a penalty in the NFL.
I'm not up on the ins and outs of the forceout rule, but I kinda doubt TO would have got both feet down even if no one was on him. He could have, though. We'll never know, but I do think it's not at all certain.
Like you, I am also waiting for a missed kick to be given another chance and then made. How delicious that would be. And I also agree with your point about drops. Frankly, as far as I am concerned the catch that TO went up to get right before Witten's touchdown earned him a couple drops. That one was man-sized.
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It used to be against the rules but Norm on the postgame said they had changed it this year.
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10-10-2007, 11:29 PM
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please...
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Do you contribute thoughts to this forum any longer or just judge other people's opinions?
A couple samples of your more recent contributions to this site:
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GAME DAY THREAD!!! FIFTH GAME OF THE YEAR! GO COWBOYS!!:
TO sucks, I don't care what any of you f-ers say.
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and what a great point it was...
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Julies Jones = most over-rated RB ever!
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I love how you talk sh!t and never back it up with ANYTHING... Never a single thought to go behind your insults, never a single opinion that someone can throw back in your face...
Pure cowardice...
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10-10-2007, 11:33 PM
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"rumor"
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Which part was a rumor? That Johnson won't be fined/suspended, that Green's career is over, or that Williams could get suspended for a game? (the word "could" is a disclaimer, so calling it a "rumor" is right on point - it's nice to see that you grasp the English language...)
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Last edited by Underdog; 10-10-2007 at 11:52 PM.
Reason: I accidently typed "is be"... (that looks pretty foolish when you're trying to lecture someone on the English language)
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10-11-2007, 09:48 AM
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10-11-2007, 03:51 PM
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Which part was a rumor? That Johnson won't be fined/suspended, that Green's career is over, or that Williams could get suspended for a game? (the word "could" is a disclaimer, so calling it a "rumor" is right on point - it's nice to see that you grasp the English language...)
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? No idea what you are trying to say. Shrug.
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"I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all."
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10-11-2007, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Underdog
Do you contribute thoughts to this forum any longer or just judge other people's opinions?
I love how you talk sh!t and never back it up with ANYTHING... Never a single thought to go behind your insults, never a single opinion that someone can throw back in your face...
Pure cowardice...
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I can't stand arrogance (who can really?), and horse-blinders that come with it. This particular forum is filled with it, including you... Hence, the word "please" as in "please, take your fat head out of the Cowboys ass long enough to see the facade."
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10-11-2007, 04:48 PM
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I can't stand arrogance (who can really?), and horse-blinders that come with it. This particular forum is filled with it, including you... Hence, the word "please" as in "please, take your fat head out of the Cowboys ass long enough to see the facade."
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Thanks for driving my point home...
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10-11-2007, 05:02 PM
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Thanks for driving my point home...
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Maybe in your little world that made sense..
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10-11-2007, 05:08 PM
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Maybe in your little world that made sense..
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I have already explained myself in this thread - go back and read it all again, soak it in, then read it once more for good measure...
I've made my point very clear: you belittle everyone's opinion without offering any insight as to WHY their opinions deserve to be belittled by the likes of you... If you're gonna talk sh!t, then back it up with something (ANYTHING)...
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10-11-2007, 05:14 PM
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"Soak it in" ? That is seeping with arrogance. I don't claim that posters care what I think, nor do I care if they do...
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10-11-2007, 11:22 PM
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10-12-2007, 12:01 AM
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tonyfreakingromo.com is about as funny as a Nemesis post...which is to say, not funny at all
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10-12-2007, 12:18 AM
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tonyfreakingromo.com is about as funny as a Nemesis post...which is to say, not funny at all
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I tend to disagree. What about this isn't funny?
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10-12-2007, 02:51 AM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3059911
Quarterback Tony Romo has ridden a series of highs and lows since being named the Dallas Cowboys' starter last season. While Dallas' 5-0 start this season has been a high point for Romo, the third-year player will likely have his 50-year-old father, Ramiro, on his mind over the next few weeks.
The Pro Bowl quarterback told the Dallas Morning News before Thursday's practice that his father has been diagnosed with prostate cancer.
"He's your dad. You've been so close for so long, it can be a scary thing," the paper quoted Romo as saying. "I look forward to the day where we can spend a lot of time together."
Thursday night, two sources close to the QB confirmed to ESPN.com's Matt Mosley that Ramiro Romo was diagnosed with cancer last month. According to the sources, Ramiro will probably undergo surgery later this month.
Tony is close to Ramiro and his wife, Joan. The Romos often play golf together ever since Tony took up the sport in grade school and the father and son talk often on the phone. Tony has been known to call his parents two or three times during a round of golf with friends in Dallas.
"Tony and his dad, they really have a good relationship," tight end Jason Witten told the Dallas Morning News. "I don't think he wants Tony to think a lot about it or want him losing his concentration. But they're best friends, so that makes it harder."
Romo, 27, was quick to point out that his father's news played no role in his six-turnover performance in Monday's 25-24 win over Buffalo. He found out about his father's cancer a few days after the Cowboys' 34-10 win against the Bears on Sept. 23. He then helped lead the Cowboys to a 35-7 win over St. Louis the following Sunday.
Sources indicate that doctors anticipate a speedy recovery for Ramiro, given that the cancer was detected early and the fact he's in excellent physical condition.
Romo's 13 touchdown passes lead the NFC and he set a team record agains the Bills with his fourth 300-yard passing game. Sunday's game against the 5-0 New England Patriots could provide a Super Bowl preview.
Romo's parents are both expected to attend Sunday's Patriots-Cowboys game in Dallas.
ESPN.com NFL writer Matt Mosley contributed to this report.
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10-14-2007, 12:34 AM
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Alby, time to start the GDT.
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10-14-2007, 01:14 AM
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10-14-2007, 01:23 AM
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Where in THE EFF is Alby?
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10-14-2007, 01:26 AM
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I'm here I'm here
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10-14-2007, 01:28 AM
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WTF you doing Alby--make the new GDT =P
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"I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all."
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