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FINtastic · 09-14-2008, 05:41 PM

Julius Jones showing he's actually still capable of a good game - 21 carries for 110 yards and a TD.

chumdawg · 09-14-2008, 05:44 PM

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Julius Jones showing he's actually still capable of a good game - 21 carries for 110 yards and a TD.

Yeah, go figure. A couple catches to go with it, too. Perhaps he was on overlooked player in fantasy leagues.

Five-ofan · 09-14-2008, 05:56 PM

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Julius Jones showing he's actually still capable of a good game - 21 carries for 110 yards and a TD.

i know. hes starting against me in a fantasy league. Who in the hell starts julius jones in a fantasy league????

jthig32 · 09-14-2008, 05:57 PM

I would have if I'd had him. They were playing San Franciso and Maurice Morris and every one of their WR's was hurt.

Dtownsfinest · 09-14-2008, 05:57 PM

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i know. hes starting against me in a fantasy league. Who in the hell starts julius jones in a fantasy league????

I can see him rising up to the challenge. He's a very prideful player. But I wouldn't start him anymore this season. The first game is easy. NO one expects anything from you. But he has to back it up and after watching him in Dallas I don't think he will.

Five-ofan · 09-14-2008, 06:04 PM

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I would have if I'd had him. They were playing San Franciso and Maurice Morris and every one of their WR's was hurt.

he benched mcfadden and jones drew to start him.

jthig32 · 09-14-2008, 06:07 PM

McFadden I would have played. Jones-Drew....their OLine is really, really banged up. I would have seriously considered starting JJones over him.

Five-ofan · 09-14-2008, 06:08 PM

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McFadden I would have played. Jones-Drew....their OLine is really, really banged up. I would have seriously considered starting JJones over him.

the funny thing is he started a raiders rb... he started fargas.

DirkFTW · 09-14-2008, 06:08 PM

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i know. hes starting against me in a fantasy league. Who in the hell starts julius jones in a fantasy league????

::sheepishly raises hand::

Dtownsfinest · 09-14-2008, 06:11 PM

Sproles is a beast. What happen to LT?

Five-ofan · 09-14-2008, 06:11 PM

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::sheepishly raises hand::

its cool. My starting receivers are so terrible its just sad...

in my defense i didnt have a first or second round pick. Or a 4th round pick. and alot of the good players were keepers. but my receivers are lee evans, joey galloway and bernard berrian.

(((

Dtownsfinest · 09-14-2008, 06:13 PM

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its cool. My starting receivers are so terrible its just sad...

in my defense i didnt have a first or second round pick. Or a 4th round pick. and alot of the good players were keepers. but my receivers are lee evans, joey galloway and bernard berrian.

(((

Why did you pick any reciever who plays for the Vikings lol?

Five-ofan · 09-14-2008, 06:14 PM

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Why did you pick any reciever who plays for the Vikings lol?

thats a good question... when i come up with an answer ill let you know...

chumdawg · 09-14-2008, 06:18 PM

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he benched mcfadden and jones drew to start him.

I'm also playing against a guy who benched McFadden to start Jones.

Five-ofan · 09-14-2008, 06:20 PM

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I'm also playing against a guy who benched McFadden to start Jones.

interesting. in my league they are exactly tied in points right now but its still interesting.

chumdawg · 09-14-2008, 06:20 PM

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its cool. My starting receivers are so terrible its just sad...

in my defense i didnt have a first or second round pick. Or a 4th round pick. and alot of the good players were keepers. but my receivers are lee evans, joey galloway and bernard berrian.

(((

Ouch on that WR corps. Goodness, you are out of most games before you even play them, aren't you?

You going to ride it out, or give some assets to get a WR?

Five-ofan · 09-14-2008, 06:23 PM

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Ouch on that WR corps. Goodness, you are out of most games before you even play them, aren't you?

You going to ride it out, or give some assets to get a WR?

i actually had the most points in the whole league in week 1(started mark clayton over berrian) and barber gore mcnabb and lj smith all had big weeks. ill probably trade a rb for a receiver. i have plenty of rbs.

Dtownsfinest · 09-14-2008, 06:30 PM

So why are the refs cheating for the Bronco's?

dude1394 · 09-14-2008, 06:35 PM

Wholey Mackeral....that's an unbelievable bad call. You mean he can't over-rule a bad call?? Unbelieveable...that his error causes the inability to get the call correct.

dude1394 · 09-14-2008, 06:42 PM

Looks like the refs owe the chargers one, a missed call here wouldn't be nearly as bad as that last one.

Caseman · 09-14-2008, 06:43 PM

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Wholey Mackeral....that's an unbelievable bad call. You mean he can't over-rule a bad call?? Unbelieveable...that his error causes the inability to get the call correct.

Huh, he did technically make the correct call. He blew his whistle during the play, meaning that the ball was ruled dead while still on the field. There was nothing he could do. It was a freak play anyway, that really shouldn't have effected the outcome of this game. Blame the loss on the Charger's horrendous game-on-the-line defense.

Also, I love this Cutler kid now that he is shedding himself from the failures of the quarterbacks chosen before him.

Dtownsfinest · 09-14-2008, 06:44 PM

So i'm still trying to figure out why the Chargers didn't recieve the ball after the fumble. The refs said it was a fumble but because they blew their whistle for incomplete pass they can't overturn it? That's pure bs. I'm not even a Chargers fan and i'm pissed off at that call.

Dtownsfinest · 09-14-2008, 06:44 PM

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Huh, he did technically make the correct call. He blew his whistle during the play, meaning that the ball was ruled dead while still on the field. There was nothing he could do. It was a freak play anyway, that really shouldn't have effected the outcome of this game. Blame the loss on the Charger's horrendous game-on-the-line defense.

Also, I love this Cutler kid now that he is shedding himself from the failures of the quarterbacks chosen before him.

So what was the reason for the challenge? Weren't they challenging the fumble?

BGMaverick9 · 09-14-2008, 06:46 PM

That was a pretty fun game to watch...even if it was the last half of the quarter.

Caseman · 09-14-2008, 06:49 PM

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So what was the reason for the challenge? Weren't they challenging the fumble?

No, the Chargers didn't have any timeouts remaining. They review every play under the 2 minute mark. The referee said in his official call that the play was actually a fumble, but since he blew his whistle during play (thinking it was an incomplete pass), the ball was ruled dead where and who had pocession at the time (which still out of the grasps of the Chargers and was back around the 10 yard line).

It was a mistake by the referee, but if anyone says they robbed Chargers of the win, they're nuts. It was a freak play that really shouldn't have effected the outcome of the game. The Chargers has 2 plays to stop the Broncos on the 10 yard line and another chance to thwart their 2-point conversion. It's their fault, not the refs.

Dtownsfinest · 09-14-2008, 06:58 PM

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No, the Chargers didn't have any timeouts remaining. They review every play under the 2 minute mark. The referee said in his official call that the play was actually a fumble, but since he blew his whistle during play (thinking it was an incomplete pass), the ball was ruled dead where and who had pocession at the time (which still out of the grasps of the Chargers and was back around the 10 yard line).

It was a mistake by the referee, but if anyone says they robbed Chargers of the win, they're nuts. It was a freak play that really shouldn't have effected the outcome of the game. The Chargers has 2 plays to stop the Broncos on the 10 yard line and another chance to thwart their 2-point conversion. It's their fault, not the refs.

But the Charger's did stop them. They recovered a fumble. You can only stop a team from scoring within 10 so many times. The previous time they were in the red zone they got Cutler to thrown a interception. Its BS. I'm a Cowboys fan so there's no bias here. But I know if that had happen to the Cowboys i'd be effin' livid. Can you imagine getting a stop or a fumble in this case and having the ball overturned and given back to the team when the refs acnkowledged it was a fumble? I couldn't imagine. I'd be livid. And this was the second time they got screwed over. The first time they didn't overturn a Bailey interception due to "technical difficulities". Chargers have the right to complain. They can complain all week if they want and it still wouldn't be enough. The refs cheated for the Bronco's. I guess they're the new golden boys in the AFC since Brdy is hurt.

Five-ofan · 09-14-2008, 06:59 PM

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No, the Chargers didn't have any timeouts remaining. They review every play under the 2 minute mark. The referee said in his official call that the play was actually a fumble, but since he blew his whistle during play (thinking it was an incomplete pass), the ball was ruled dead where and who had pocession at the time (which still out of the grasps of the Chargers and was back around the 10 yard line).

It was a mistake by the referee, but if anyone says they robbed Chargers of the win, they're nuts. It was a freak play that really shouldn't have effected the outcome of the game. The Chargers has 2 plays to stop the Broncos on the 10 yard line and another chance to thwart their 2-point conversion. It's their fault, not the refs.

you know i generally agree with this but if they called the play correctly the chargers would have won. that is by definition robbing the chargers of a win and it is therefore not nuts to say so.

dude1394 · 09-14-2008, 07:00 PM

Yea the chargers had that game won...PERIOD....until the ref screwed up the call. that's indisputable.

You may think he didn't mean to screw it up, but he did, costing the chargers the win.

Dtownsfinest · 09-14-2008, 07:04 PM

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you know i generally agree with this but if they called the play correctly the chargers would have won. that is by definition robbing the chargers of a win.

Exactly. The game was done after the fumble. Literally. There was what? 24 seconds left? The game was over after the fumble. I have no problem with refs missing calls and ending up in losses. It happens. But something like that where they acknowledge its a fumble just seconds after it occured then give them the ball where the fumble occured and still give them the ball? I still don't get the logic behind giving the ball. I'm hearing Collinsworth explain it and apparently there's this new bogus rule.

dalmations202 · 09-14-2008, 07:05 PM

Give the game ball to the officials, because the Broncos didn't deserve that one......WOW

chumdawg · 09-14-2008, 07:08 PM

How did they call it on the field?

Dtownsfinest · 09-14-2008, 07:09 PM

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How did they call it on the field?

From what I saw they called it fumble. I never heard incomplete pass or anything like that regarding that play which is what makes the call so wierd.

Caseman · 09-14-2008, 07:12 PM

Oh please. The Chargers didn't stop them at the 10. It was a freak play. Unelss you guys whole-heartedly believe the Seahawks deserved to beat the Cowboys in the 2006-2007 playoffs.

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From what I saw they called it fumble. I never heard incomplete pass or anything like that regarding that play which is what makes the call so wierd.

It was whistled and ruled an incomplete pass ON THE FIELD. If the Chargers go and take that back for a touchdown it would be unfair for the Broncos because they believed the play was dead. Even if they review the play, they cannot reverse it because they whistled it dead BEFORE anyone recovered it and it wouldn't be fair to either team regardless who recovered it.

EDIT: Rephrased.

dalmations202 · 09-14-2008, 07:13 PM

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How did they call it on the field?

Cutler running out of the pocket being chased. Lost the ball on the way up with it, arm then went forward.

Ed Hockuley (sp?) blows whistle incomplete pass as Charger is picking up the ball and is shoved out of bounds by Cutler.

Replay shows it was an obvious fumble with a SD recovery, but Hockuley says he blew the whistle so Denver retains the ball at the 10.

Denver then runs a draw on 3rd down and then scores on 4th. Then gets the 2pt for the win.

Five-ofan · 09-14-2008, 07:17 PM

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Oh please. The Chargers didn't stop them at the 10. It was a freak play. Unelss you guys whole-heartedly believe the Seahawks beat the Cowboys in the 2006-2007 playoffs.

they did beat the cowboys. i do whole heartedly believe that. they werent the better team but they did win the game. We dont give Ws to teams for just being the better team. The cowboys and patriots were both clearly better than the giants last year too but the giants still have a ring. Freak play or not, it happened. The chargers recovered a fumble which is a stop. They got screwed out of it by a technicality that common sense should overrule. i hate the chargers and actually kinda like the broncos but anyone that doesnt realize the broncos just got screwed is either blind or foolish.

Five-ofan · 09-14-2008, 07:18 PM

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Oh please. The Chargers didn't stop them at the 10. It was a freak play. Unelss you guys whole-heartedly believe the Seahawks beat the Cowboys in the 2006-2007 playoffs.

It was whistled and ruled an incomplete pass ON THE FIELD. If the Chargers go and take that back for a touchdown it would be unfair for the Broncos because they believed the play was dead. Even if they review the play, they cannot reverse it because they whistled it dead BEFORE anyone recovered it and it wouldn't be fair to either team regardless who recovered it.

no one actually stopped playing. i know that rule but its bogus unless people actually stop playing. and on a close play, the ref shouldnt blow the whistle for precisely that reason.

Caseman · 09-14-2008, 07:20 PM

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they did beat the cowboys. i do whole heartedly believe that. they werent the better team but they did win the game. We dont give Ws to teams for just being the better team. The cowboys and patriots were both clearly better than the giants last year too but the giants still have a ring. Freak play or not, it happened. The chargers recovered a fumble which is a stop. They got screwed out of it by a technicality that common sense should overrule. i hate the chargers and actually kinda like the broncos but anyone that doesnt realize the broncos just got screwed is either blind or foolish.

Let me rephrase. Did they deserve to win. No. It was a freak play. Again, look at my explanation if you don't understand the call, but the referee went by the book and the call couldn't be reversed. In fact, the Broncos went from having the ball on the 4 all the way to the 10 yard line. Where is the defense? They didn't deserve to win this game.

Dtownsfinest · 09-14-2008, 07:21 PM

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Oh please. The Chargers didn't stop them at the 10. It was a freak play. Unelss you guys whole-heartedly believe the Seahawks beat the Cowboys in the 2006-2007 playoffs.

It was whistled and ruled an incomplete pass ON THE FIELD. If the Chargers go and take that back for a touchdown it would be unfair for the Broncos because they believed the play was dead. Even if they review the play, they cannot reverse it because they whistled it dead BEFORE anyone recovered it and it wouldn't be fair to either team regardless who recovered it.

Yea they did beat the Cowboys. If they wanted to they could've just let Romo run in it for a touchdown but instead they tripped him up before he could.

But see I didn't know they ruled it incomplete pass. I missed that part. I thought they ruled it a fumble and just whistled to stop play. I didn't know they made a bad call. Still though wasn't the play reviewed? How was it not overturned?

Caseman · 09-14-2008, 07:22 PM

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no one actually stopped playing. i know that rule but its bogus unless people actually stop playing. and on a close play, the ref shouldnt blow the whistle for precisely that reason.

Then you turn it into a judgement call which we all know always work out perfectly well and dandy..

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But see I didn't know they ruled it incomplete pass. I missed that part. I thought they ruled it a fumble and just whistled to stop play. I didn't know they made a bad call. Still though wasn't the play reviewed? How was it not overturned?

Because if it was ruled dead and the the recovering team (Broncos or Chargers) return it for a touchdown or major yardage, it's unfair for the other team because they thought the play was ruled dead and stopped playing.

Five-ofan · 09-14-2008, 07:25 PM

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Let me rephrase. Did they deserve to win. No. It was a freak play. Again, look at my explanation if you don't understand the call, but the referee went by the book and the call couldn't be reversed. In fact, the Broncos went from having the ball on the 4 all the way to the 10 yard line. Where is the defense? They didn't deserve to win this game.

and the broncos did??? their qb dropped the ball literally on what should have been the decisive play of the game. that isnt exactly deserving to win either. you can go either way with that. the question is if he ruled it an incomplete pass and it couldnt be overturned why was it reviewed in the first place??? yes i understand within 2 minutes the booth reviews everything but why did they actually review that one if they couldnt change anything??? Just to piss the chargers off?