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Underdog · 05-13-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

I would put Barea as the top 10 weakest backup point guards.

Yeah, but you're Mavsfan1000, so who gives a sh!t what you have to say?

TITS or GTFO.

tcat075 · 05-13-2010, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

I would put Barea as the top 10 weakest backup point guards.

CadBane · 05-13-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Without immediately looking at a list, I would wager that JJ is one of the 10 best backup PG's in the league, as long as he is relegated to just playing backup PG and not whacky off-guard thing in the three-guard lineup. A top-10 backup PG is a steal at $1.8 mil, in my book.

And if he's not a Mav next year, that's fine too, long as we use him smartly in a trade.

Kyle Lowry, George Hill/Tony Parker, Darren Collison, Jose Calderon, Dragic, Ty Lawson, Luke Ridnour, Jerryd Bayless, Will Bynum, Earl Watson, Steve Blake, Jordan Farmar.

Yeah, not so much.

BGMaverick9 · 05-13-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Kyle Lowry, George Hill/Tony Parker, Darren Collison, Jose Calderon, Dragic, Ty Lawson, Luke Ridnour, Jerryd Bayless, Will Bynum, Earl Watson, Steve Blake, Jordan Farmar.

Yeah, not so much.

You have it with probably 5-6 names on the list. Lawson, Bayless, and Dragic could be there with potential...I'm already taking Collison out of that group because he showed it over a sustained time period. By the time they max out or get better it'll be time for a new deal and the money will go up.

You can get into a debate with the guys near the bottom of your list like Lowry, Bynum and maybe even Watson...but Lowry and Watson make about a million dollars more. Bynum is the REAL steal based on what he made, but with that what is gonna happen? He's gonna get PAID, thus the bargain will go away and expectations are gonna rise.

The fact that it's stuck at 1.8 and he can be a spark on both ends of the court, you mix those two together and that makes it a steal. I didn't say he's always a spark but he does have the potential to do that. So based on the bottom half of the list and the price-tag, it is debatable on top-10 status.

CadBane · 05-14-2010, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

You have it with probably 5-6 names on the list. Lawson, Bayless, and Dragic could be there with potential...I'm already taking Collison out of that group because he showed it over a sustained time period. By the time they max out or get better it'll be time for a new deal and the money will go up.

You can get into a debate with the guys near the bottom of your list like Lowry, Bynum and maybe even Watson...but Lowry and Watson make about a million dollars more. Bynum is the REAL steal based on what he made, but with that what is gonna happen? He's gonna get PAID, thus the bargain will go away and expectations are gonna rise.

The fact that it's stuck at 1.8 and he can be a spark on both ends of the court, you mix those two together and that makes it a steal. I didn't say he's always a spark but he does have the potential to do that. So based on the bottom half of the list and the price-tag, it is debatable on top-10 status.

I really can't have this debate with you if you can't concede that Dragic is a far far far better player than JJB.

sefant77 · 05-13-2010, 06:42 AM

Its up to RC and Roddys summer to make Barea that what he is...

92bDad · 05-13-2010, 08:27 AM

I like JJB, but I don't like the way RC utilizes him...he's been overplayed and thus exposed as a MAJOR weakness.

5-10 minutes in the 2nd/3rd qtr is fine...or in games that are a blow out in either direction to give others rest.

But to use him as a key cog over Roddy B has basically caused a serious doubt/mis-trust of the coach and his rotations.

How on earth RC appears to get a free ride, while over in the other local sports we find the coaches getting crucified is beyond me. RC appears to be more of a Yes man to Cuban than Wade does to Jerry.

This team has a ton of issues, but I am seriously questioning this coach...he appears to be stubborn and unwilling to trust and develop a young guy. Think about it, would you have sacrificed a few regular season wins by giving Roddy B. MORE playing time earlier in the season to allow him to develop on the court so that you could use him more than JJB in the post-season?

Again, I do like JJB...but in small doses...I can't blame him for playing too much, but the coaches appeared to ignore what is obvious to everyone else watching the games...he's a serious defensive liability!!!

Dirkadirkastan · 05-13-2010, 01:03 PM

Who are all the backup PG's in the NBA?

grndmstr_c · 05-13-2010, 04:20 PM

JJB isn't the weakness. The depth chart at SG is the weakness.

mavsfan1000 · 05-13-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

JJB isn't the weakness. The depth chart at SG is the weakness.

Terry has a better plus/minus than Barea. They both are weaknesses but backup point guard is a bigger weakness.

grndmstr_c · 05-13-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Terry has a better plus/minus than Barea. They both are weaknesses but backup point guard is a bigger weakness.

I've got another stat for you. 633. That's the number of on-court minutes that the JJB/Kidd pairing got last season. The SG spot is the problem.

mavsfan1000 · 05-13-2010, 06:02 PM

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I've got another stat for you. 633. That's the number of on-court minutes that the JJB/Kidd pairing got last season. The SG spot is the problem.

That's on Carlisle for not putting in Roddy as he wanted to shorten his rotation. Kidd is also capable of playing shooting guard with a scoring point guard. Anyways we need another point guard that can run the offense effectively when Kidd is out of the game. We don't have that right now.

grndmstr_c · 05-13-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

That's on Carlisle for not putting in Roddy as he wanted to shorten his rotation. Kidd is also capable of playing shooting guard with a scoring point guard. Anyways we need another point guard that can run the offense effectively when Kidd is out of the game. We don't have that right now.

And do you think Carlisle's overuse of JJB helped or hurt the latter's +/-?

Coaching decisions re: JJB vs. Booby aside, these simple facts remain: 1) JJB, who you allege is the team's biggest weak spot as the team's backup PG, was frequently out on the court in lieu of a true shooting guard, 2) the team's starting point guard spent (as near as I can calculate from some incomplete statistics) somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000+ minutes on court last season paired up with at least one player who was shorter than him, and 3) the guy who's gotten the bulk of the minutes at SG the past 4-5 years (JET) is going to have to have his role on the team scaled back due to age-related slippage.

When it comes to diagnosing the primary issue facing the team this offseason it doesn't get any clearer than that. Keep JJB, trade JJB...if the team doesn't acquire or develop an entrenched starter at the SG position the backup point guard slot won't make one bit of difference.

wilmtalk · 05-14-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

That's on Carlisle for not putting in Roddy as he wanted to shorten his rotation. Kidd is also capable of playing shooting guard with a scoring point guard. Anyways we need another point guard that can run the offense effectively when Kidd is out of the game. We don't have that right now.

I agree. The main problem with JJB is the Terry-Kidd-JJB rotation. They are all weak defensively which magnifies JJB's major shortcoming. That rotation needs to be broken up. I would play Kidd as a passing shooting guard or SF which is what he is actually playing now even when he is at point. Terry if he stays on the team should only be played when he is really hot. It would be better if two of the three were replaced with more multidementional players.

Roddy needs to be developed at the point!

xrobx · 05-13-2010, 08:57 PM

as long as JJ Barea gets anything other than matt carrollish minutes on this team we're probably not going anywhere

xrobx · 05-13-2010, 09:03 PM

and just to clarify i like JJB

badfish22 · 05-13-2010, 11:12 PM

In an effort to not underrate Barea, some Mav fans have overrated him imho.

Dirkadirkastan · 05-14-2010, 02:20 AM

All that said, -6.7 isn't just a net negative, it's pretty damn bad.

nowhereman · 05-14-2010, 03:43 AM

Barea actually had a positive +/- when he wasn't out there at the same time as Terry or Gooden. Which seems really obvious.

The problem here is that Terry is a small 2-guard that can't guard anyone, and Barea is a small PG that can't guard anyone. Which problem is easier to fix?

bernardos70 · 05-14-2010, 11:00 AM

What? He sets up his toilet paper roll to roll under? FIRE RC!

JJB is a middle of the road PG, how's that? For a backup, he's not bad at all, but it depends on the match up. He can be very effective as a situational player. Harping on him coming back for a measly 1.8 Million monopoly money shouldn't rock anyone's boat as much as it is in this thread.

Usually Lurkin · 05-14-2010, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bernardos70

He can be very effective as a situational player. Harping on him coming back for a measly 1.8 Million monopoly money shouldn't ...

I'm gonna go ahead and hope that you and RC have different definitions of "situational," or else I'll have to assume you are insane.

bernardos70 · 05-14-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

I'm gonna go ahead and hope that you and RC have different definitions of "situational," or else I'll have to assume you are insane.

I think it has been stated enough in this thread that our weakness at SG is affecting his minutes (causing them to go up). I am insane, but even if you don't take into account my "situational" comment, Barea at 1.8Mil still makes quite a bit of sense.

Usually Lurkin · 05-14-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bernardos70

I think it has been stated enough in this thread that our weakness at SG is affecting his minutes (causing them to go up). I am insane, but even if you don't take into account my "situational" comment, Barea at 1.8Mil still makes quite a bit of sense.

You've got it backwards. His minutes affected our weakness at SG. When you play your third stringer like a second stringer, and your second stringer like a third stringer, you'll be weaker at that position.