Big Contracts for Mavs to Look in a 2-1 or 3-1 Deal

[GIGEMLAW]

Here is the list of all the double digit and high single digit contracts. It is not a complete list, i.e., I didn't include someone like Duncan even though he makes a double digit contract.

1. Raef LaFrentz PF/C Boston $9M in 2004, contract has 5 yrs. left.
2. Antonio Davis PF/C Chicago $12M in 2004, contract has 2 yrs. left.
3. Illgauskas C Cleveland $14.6M, contract has 1 yr. left.
4. Dale Davis PF/C Golden St. $9.0M, contract has 1 yr. left.
5. Mo Taylor PF Houston $8.45M, contract has 3 yrs. left.
6. Austin Croshere PF Indiana $8.26M, contract has 3 yrs. left.
7. Kerry Kittles SF LA Clipps $10.26M, contract has 1 yr. left.
8. Elton Brand PF LA Clipps $12M, contract has 5 yrs. left.
9. Lamar Odom SF/PF LA Lakers $10.47M, contract has 5 yrs. left.
10. Brian Grant PF/C LA Lakers $13.347M, contract has 3 yrs. left.
11. Bonzi Wells PF/SG Memphis $7.7M, contract has 1 yr. left.
12. Eddie Jones SG Miami $13.44M, contract has 3 yrs. left.
13. Keith Van Horn SF Milwaukee $14.487M, contract has 2 yrs. left.
14. Wally Szcerbiak SG Minnesota $9M, contract has 5 yrs. left.
15. Latrell Spreewell SF Minnesota $14.625M, contract has 1 yr. left.
16. Jason Kidd PG New Jersey $14.8M, contract has 5 yrs. left.
17. P J Brown PF/C New Orleans $8M, contract has 3 yrs. left.
18. Jamal Mashburn SF New Orleans $9.3M, contract has 3 yrs. left.
19. Tim Thomas SF New York $12.9M, contract has 2 yrs. left.
20. Anfernee Hardaway SG New York $14.625M, contract has 2 yrs. left.
21. Allan Houston SG New York $17.5M, contract has 3 yrs. left.
22. Kelvin Cato PF/C Orlando $7.99M, contract has 2 yrs. left.
23. Grant Hill SF Orlando $14.49M, contract has 3 yrs. left.
24. Glenn Robinson SF Philly $12.0M, contract has 1 yr. left.
25. Allen Iverson SG Philly $14.625M, contract has 5 yrs. left.
26. Derek Anderson SG Portland $8.44M, contract has 3 yrs. left.
27. Theo Ratliff C Portland $10.938M, contract has 1 yr. left.
28. Nick Van Exel PG/SG Portland $11.821M, contract has 1 yr. left.
29. Damon Stoudamire PG Portland $15.75M, contract has 1 yr. left.
30. Shareef Abdul Rahim SF/PF Portland $10.938M, contract has 1 yr. left.
31. Chris Webber PF Sacramento $17.531M, contract has 4 yrs. left.
32. Ray Allen SG Seattle $14.625M, contract has 1 yr. left.
33. Jalen Rose PG/SG Toronto $14.487M, contract has 3 yrs. left.
34. Vince Carter SG/SF Toronto $12.58M, contract has 4 yrs. left.


Of all these, I think you can rule out any 4 or 5 year deals coming back to the Mavs, with maybe a superstar exception.

What does Dallas need to get rid of? They have a glut at C & PG and a glut at the SG/SF positions.

Clearly, the Mavs being shopped will be Bradley, Eschmeyer, Henderson, Dickau, Stackhouse, TAW, and Steffanson (if filler is required).

Eschmeyer C $3.4M at 3 yrs. (Oct. 24 restricted in pkg. beyond 48 hr. window of trade)
TAW SG/SF $6.75M at 3 yrs.
Dickau PG $ .89M at 1 yr. (Oct. 24 restricted in pkg. beyond 48 hr. window of trade)
Bradley C $4M at 4 yrs.
Stackhouse SG/SF $7M at 3 yrs. (Aug. 26 restricted in pkg.)
Henderson PF $8.3M at 1 yr. (Oct. 3 restricted in pkg.)
Steffanson PG/SG $600K at 4 yrs.
Finley SG/SF $14.6M at 4 yrs.

I just put this list up for you. Please feel free to use this thread to make the 2 for 1, 3 for 1, ... deals that you think the Mavs should make. I have edited this to include the most recent trade. This needs to go to the top.

[SeriousSummer]

Ilgauskas, Brand, Kidd, Ray Allen, P.J. Brown and Carter are six players on that list that might be obtainable and I think would actually help the Mavericks.

The Mavs do now have the ability to send back a player at the same position (i.e. Booth or Bradley for Ilgauskas) plus additional cap relief and/or help at another position for almost anybody.

Say like this if you want Ilgauskas:

Dallas trades: SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
C Shawn Bradley (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.7 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.4 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (15.3 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -4.9 ppg, -0.8 rpg, and -3.3 apg.

Cleveland trades: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (15.3 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Cleveland receives: SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 26 games)
C Shawn Bradley (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 66 games)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 58 games)
Change in team outlook: +4.9 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and +3.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED


Or this for Ray Allen:

Dallas trades: SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
PF Christian Laettner (5.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 20.5 minutes)
Dallas receives: SG Ray Allen (23.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.4 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +3.2 ppg, -3.3 rpg, and -1.1 apg.

Seattle trades: SG Ray Allen (23.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.4 minutes)
Seattle receives: SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 26 games)
PF Christian Laettner (5.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 48 games)
Change in team outlook: -3.2 ppg, +3.3 rpg, and +1.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Not that these are particularly likely trades, but it's a lot easier to mix and match a number of small parts than to move one max contract. Dallas has gotten ridden of two max contracts already this year, in return for four players and a couple of draft picks.

I guess, in short, I agree with everyone who says the Mavs are well positioned for any deal that comes along over the year.

[dirkdirk+carter=championship]

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[EricaLubarsky]

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[MikeB]

I like the list Gig...thanks.

Now to look at it as to what I believe the Mavs need.

The only guys on the list that I think may be available that might help here are Antonio Davis, Abdur-Rahim, Van Horn, and Tim Thomas.

Before eveybody lines up to squawk about "Shareef is a PF and we don't need anybody to play Dirk's spot" or "Van Horn is a scrub" or "Tim Thomas is a never was nor will be" or even "Antonio Davis is a dinosaur" lets look at this logically from a viewpoint of contract years and what each brings to the table that can help.

The most talented and shortest term and least expensive contract is Shareef Abdur-Rahim.
Is he what we need?
NO...he is a PF/SF who is not much of a defender and has never been on a winning team.
Can he help here?
YES...he likes to play down low on offense and is a bigger version of Jamison...both good and bad. Can back up Dirk or more likely play PF while Dirk plays C...not my favorite idea.

Keith Van Horn
2 years left and the highest $ contract at $14 + million
Is he what we need?
NO...another PF/SF tweener who isn't a defender and has been accussed of being soft by teamates.
Can he help here?
YES...he can score and get some rebounds. As a Dirk backup the talent level wouldn't fall off near as far as when Najera replaces Dirk. Would Nellie start him and Dirk? Probably at least occassionally.

Tim Thomas
2 years and almost $13 million per
Is he what we need?
NO...another PF/SF tweener...more of a big SF. Maddeningly inconsistant...doesn't seem to care much.
Can he help here?
Yes and No...I'm not a big fan of his. If he wants to play he can be a good player but he rarely seems to want to.

Antonio Davis
2 Years $12 million this year
Is he what we need?
YES and No. 2-3 years ago he was exactly what we needed. A PF/C who can and will play tough interior D and rebound and isn't affraid to knock people around. Is 36 yrs old and his shooting has been declining badly the last 2 years. Still got 9 and 7 last season.
Can he help here?
Absolutely! He will provide the toughness that we have been needing for years. He is not the player he once was and may not be able to play as many minutes as before...but if his minutes are managed( and with the depth here they could be) he could help immensely. Would Nellie start him? Probably start him at C with Dirk and then bring in Booth or Bradley to spell him and give a different look. If AD played 30 minutes here and could give us the same 9 and 7 then I would be very happy with that.

[V2M]

Presuming we don't sign Dampier (since he wants a big contract), I don't see another Center out there who can come in and do a better job of helping us this year. We have Bradley, Booth & L8 who know Nellie's system and Benga & Pavel who're young and promising. "Center by committee"and nearly 30 fouls to give when needed!! As a group, decent rebounders and great shot-blockers. Offensively, they aren't great but hopefully we don't need 'em to be.

We don't need another PF since we have one of the best in the league (Dirk) and decent backups in L8, Najera and may be Henderson if he's healthy.

So, I'd say go get a superstar (presuming they pass the physicals) such as Kidd or Carter for the right deal (by dumping some of our immovables, ex: TAW). Since we missed out on Shaq (Kupchak wouldn't have traded him to a WC team), Tracy (wimp who wanted to play w/ only Shaq or Yao) or Kobe (the drama queen that I'm so glad never left the Lakers), I think we still have a good chance of turning this into a great offseason if we can land either Kidd or Carter.

[MikeB]

I'm sorry but if you are expecting anything from Laettner and Henderson you are going to be extremely disapointed. They are both very done. If we can turn Laettner or Henderson and Stack into AD then we are much better off.

[vinnieponte]

Originally posted by: MikeB
I'm sorry but if you are expecting anything from Laettner and Henderson you are going to be extremely disapointed. They are both very done. If we can turn Laettner or Henderson and Stack into AD then we are much better off.

now you're talking

[GIGEMLAW]

I just thought it would be good to bring this list back to the top.

Based upon our current roster, the Mavs need to be shopping a C or 2 and a PG for a PF.

Here is what I think matches up well with what the Mavs could pursue in a 3 for 1 type of deal.

Mavs Trade: C Eschmeyer, PF Henderson & PG Dickau
Chicago Trades: PF Antonio Davis

or

Mavs Trade: C Eschmeyer, PF Henderson & PG Dickau
Bucks Trade: PF Van Horn + $1M cash

or

Mavs Trade: C Eschmeyer, PG Dickau & C Bradley
Indiana Trades: PF Croshere

and in addition to the first 2 trades above, the Mavs could do this:

Mavs Trade: C Bradley
Utah Trades: 1st Rounder Acquired from Mavs

It would give the Mavs a nice balanced depth as follows:

PG Terry/Harris/AJ
SG Daniels/Stackhouse/Steffanson
SF Finley/Howard/TAW
PF Dirk/(Davis) or (Croshere) or (Van Horn)
C Dampier/Booth/Benga/P-Pod

IR will be: P-Pod, TAW, AJ

[Evilmav2]

Dallas trades: SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Austin Croshere (5.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 13.7 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -8.9 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and -3.3 apg.

Indiana trades: PF Austin Croshere (5.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 13.7 minutes)
Indiana receives: SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 26 games)
Change in team outlook: +8.9 ppg, +0.4 rpg, and +3.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Dallas and Indiana being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Dallas and Indiana had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


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[DubOverdose]

How 'bout:
Terry
Stackhouse

for

AI

It would never happen, but I'd love it if it did. He's the only superstar that I'd want the Mavs to go after...well, besides Shaq

[DubOverdose]

Stackhouse, Bradley, and Henderson for Webber....that would trim the roster for a backup PF, but would anyone want Webber and would he like coming off the bench?

[Ninkobei]

Webber? and his fat ass contract? holy hell no! I'd rather lick the bark off a tree and then die from bark poisoning. thanks tho.. It would seem that unless a really exceptional deal comes along we're going to keep our current roster. Altho trading some guys for draft picks might not be such a bad idea ;D

[fin4life]

How about this one... jerome williams would probaly ride the bench unless an injury happens, but so would some of the guys we are trading. Tim Thomas would play 20 minutes at 3 and 10 minutes at the 4.



Dallas trades: Jon Stefansson ( ppg, rpg, apg in minutes)
C Shawn Bradley (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.7 minutes)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
PF Alan Henderson (4.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.3 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Tim Thomas (14.7 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.6 minutes)
PF Jerome Williams (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -0.3 ppg, +2.1 rpg, and -1.6 apg.

New York trades: SF Tim Thomas (14.7 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.6 minutes)
PF Jerome Williams (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.1 minutes)
New York receives: Jon Stefansson ( ppg, rpg, apg in games)
C Shawn Bradley (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 66 games)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 26 games)
PF Alan Henderson (4.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.3 apg in 6 games)
Change in team outlook: +0.3 ppg, -2.1 rpg, and +1.6 apg.


The bad part... it cant happen until october 4th unless someone knows a loophole.

[Ninkobei]

Well, the trade does fulfill one need of ours - Roster Trimming. As far as the talent/potential of this so called Thomas character and his counterpart, Williams, I'm not purely convinced. Then again, look at what we're trading! How much longer can we get quality players for virtually nothing? This new strategy of Cubans, trash for talent as I like to call it, is simply asounding!Maybe we can even get a pick out of em, bwahaha.

[GIGEMLAW]

fin4life

Actuall, you could do that deal if you could split the players up into two deals with the Knicks. The Knicks can trade Williams individually at any time, but must wait 60 days post-trade to trade Williams with other players in a package.

For instance, Thomas could be traded for Bradley and Henderson. Then, you could trade Williams for Stackhouse & Steffanson. I am not sure if the salaries match on the second one, but they do on the first one. It's pretty easy. Just go and look up Williams salary and see if it comes pretty close to matching the Stackhouse and Steffanson.

Of course, I don't think the Mavs do this deal. While I would like to have Williams, I wouldn't want B.A. Thomas. Plus, you are giving Stack away for less quality only to reduce roster size and not increase the talent level that much. In that trade, it would probably be better for the Mavs to just cut Steffanson, Henderson, and Dickau to get down to the 15 man requirement. Then, the Mavs would need to shop one of there centers for a PF.

Then you would have a roster that looks something like this:

PG Terry/Harris/AJ
SG Daniels/Stackhouse
SF Finley/Howard/TAW
PF Dirk/???
C Dampier/Booth/Benga/P-Pod

How about a Eschmeyer and Bradley trade for Je. Williams and a future 1st from NY?

[Simon2]

I were the Mavs, I would try to look for a backup for Dirk. Dirk should only be playing 35-40 minutes a game. Save the ankles and the energy for the playoffs. There are several PF on the list anyone of them is a good backup.

[fin4life]

Unlike football, we cannot just cut players like GEGEMLAW is suggesting (although steffonsen can be cut). I dont think that the mavs lose too much talent in this trade...i think it is pretty even. Who knows has stack will recover from his injury, tim thomas is a sure thing and plays the positions that we need. the Junkyard Dog will be able to play some PF in a pinch... might not be as good as bradley. The thing is, we dont need bradely at this point. A dampier/booth/benga/ecsh rotation at center is more than enough. Steff has never played a game in the NBA and henderson is dead weight.

I do the trade in a heartbeat.

[GIGEMLAW]

Actually fin4life, like football, you can cut players in the NBA. The only difference is that the Mavs would still be responsible for the guaranteed portion of there contracts for there full term. For instance, if you said good-bye to Henderson, you would still have to pay him his $8.3M contract, but he would no longer be on the roster.

Now, I am not necessarily writing that cutting Henderson would be a good idea because the lack of PFs on this team, the expiring contract, and the insurance coverage for his contract would be worth keeping him at least on the IR.

However, Bradley would be a possible cut if you could not find a taker in a trade. Steffanson wouldn't actually be a cut but a refusal to take on an option on his contract for the current season. TAW would fall into the same area as Henderson and the whole insurance thing. That leaves Eschmeyer who you could cut. That is three roster spots from which you could clear dead weight off the roster. The only catch would be that Esch would be on the Mavs salary cap for the next 3 years and Bradley for 4 years without a negotiated buyout.

[fin4life]

I just dont think that cutting anyone besides Steff is the answer. Cuting bradley would be bad... he can still play. If we did give up on him, it would be easy to get some draft picks for him (maybe second rounders though) without having to pay his salary or get nothing in return. I think that charlotte might be interested in a trade like that (but i wouldnt do it)

[Ninkobei]

Ah, gotta keep Bradley. Damp/Bradley combo is gonna KILL ;D