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bobatundi · 01-13-2011, 04:51 PM

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Brook Lopez is having a difficult third season with the New Jersey Nets, as new coach Avery Johnson is a lot more demanding, neurotic and less cool than Kiki Vandeweghe. With the Nets narrowly trailing the Suns (a team that features the other Lopez twin, Robin), Bro-pez got into the game, bricked a jumper, and got yanked. This was his reaction on the bench (via Deadspin): "I'm so tired of this guy. F--k him."

Wow--took Avery two seasons to lose the Mavs' players. He's accomplished it in three months in Jersey.

For many (obvious) reasons it was tough going from a Mavs season ticket holder to a Nets sth...but the worst part of all has been watching an admittedly bad Nets team play even worse than they should because of Avery's plodding offensive schemes.

fluid.forty.one · 01-13-2011, 05:14 PM

I can't deny that I'm enjoying AJ accumulating all these losses.

dude1394 · 01-13-2011, 05:27 PM

Play harder...play like me...where's tim duncan?

Bayliss · 01-13-2011, 05:49 PM

When asked about all the Melo talks, Avery responded with:

"I just want a center who can average 10 rebounds a game."

Underdog · 01-13-2011, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

When asked about all the Melo talks, Avery responded with:

"I just want a center who can average 10 rebounds a game."

GermanDunk · 01-13-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

When asked about all the Melo talks, Avery responded with:

"I just want a center who can average 10 rebounds a game."

Tell me, that´s not true ...

fluid.forty.one · 01-13-2011, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

When asked about all the Melo talks, Avery responded with:

"I just want a center who can average 10 rebounds a game."

hahaha wow...

here it is:
http://www.theknicksblog.com/2011/01...unds-not-melo/

AO41 · 01-13-2011, 07:11 PM

Some people give Avery wayy too much credit for the Mavs team that made it to the finals. Those couple of years we had a really god team and I believe if we had a diff coach....a good coach we would have won it all.

fluid.forty.one · 01-13-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AO41

Some people give Avery wayy too much credit for the Mavs team that made it to the finals.

and for Dirk's MVP.

you won't find many of those people around here

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-13-2011, 07:53 PM

Well Brook Lopez is averaging 5.9 rebounds per game. That's absolutely pitiful for a center getting 34 mpg.

dude1394 · 01-13-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

hahaha wow...

here it is:
http://www.theknicksblog.com/2011/01...unds-not-melo/

His prize dampier is still out there? Is there any doubt after hearing this that he pushed the hardest for dampier?

dude1394 · 01-13-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AO41

Some people give Avery wayy too much credit for the Mavs team that made it to the finals. Those couple of years we had a really god team and I believe if we had a diff coach....a good coach we would have won it all.

Especially the littlest napoleon....

sefant77 · 01-13-2011, 10:11 PM

Its not just Brook Lopez.

The way he treats a veteran like Troy Murphy is joke. The way he kicked out a talented Terrence Williams.

He is hurting the team with his ego. He puts his ego over everything else.

AJ is a horrible fit as a coach. Its that simply. He got just lucky to get his first job with a veteran team that was easy to handle and was able to win just with pure iso´s.

mavs777 · 01-14-2011, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well Brook Lopez is averaging 5.9 rebounds per game. That's absolutely pitiful for a center getting 34 mpg.

Well he averaged 8+ last 2 years before Avery got there

mavs777 · 01-14-2011, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Its not just Brook Lopez.

The way he treats a veteran like Troy Murphy is joke. The way he kicked out a talented Terrence Williams.

He is hurting the team with his ego. He puts his ego over everything else.

AJ is a horrible fit as a coach. Its that simply. He got just lucky to get his first job with a veteran team that was easy to handle and was able to win just with pure iso´s.

Also he isn't giving Favors consistent minutes, for christ sakes the kid is averaging 7 PPG and 5 RPG in 19 minutes, he is an absolute monster on the offensive glass (2.1 ORPG). He does need to work on his defense and how to play aggressive without fouling, but he should be getting 28-30 MPG

sefant77 · 01-14-2011, 09:40 AM

The guy tried to teach Jason Kidd at the age 35 because he thought he knew it better.

Now the guy trying to teach one of the best young center because he thinks he knows everything better.

alexamenos · 01-14-2011, 12:45 PM

Remind me again how many games the Knicks won last season?

......

edit: I meant Nets, of course.

bobatundi · 01-14-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Also he isn't giving Favors consistent minutes, for christ sakes the kid is averaging 7 PPG and 5 RPG in 19 minutes, he is an absolute monster on the offensive glass (2.1 ORPG). He does need to work on his defense and how to play aggressive without fouling, but he should be getting 28-30 MPG

Yeah, that part is really frustrating to watch. I mean what's his deal, is he afraid Favors will make "rookie mistakes" and cost his team a win or two? An extra loss or two for the Nets this year isn't about home court advantage...it's about more ping pong balls.

The Nets are a bad team, but they shouldn't be as bad as their record. They just don't have a Dirk to make the other team pay on isos, so they get outscored every time, even though they play pretty solid defense.

Dirkadirkastan · 01-14-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

When asked about all the Melo talks, Avery responded with:

"I just want a center who can average 10 rebounds a game."

Asshat or not, that was his way of denying the trade rumors. Everyone denies the trade rumors, when will you guys ever figure this out?

Bayliss · 01-14-2011, 05:21 PM

Dirka, it may have been a way to deflect the trade rumors, but you don't do it by pisssing off the best player on your roster.....

CadBane · 01-14-2011, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

Remind me again how many games the Knicks won last season?

......

edit: I meant Nets, of course.

Last year they didn't have Humphries, Favors, a healthy Harris, Outlaw, etc.

The fact is, Brook, their centerpiece, has regressed massively. Avery is just too draconian. When your star player is that frustrated with his coach, there's a problem.

Dirkadirkastan · 01-14-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Dirka, it may have been a way to deflect the trade rumors, but you don't do it by pisssing off the best player on your roster.....

That's a reasonable interpretation, considering Lopez averages less than six boards per game. He's definitely not saying "I'd rather have Dampier than Melo", so whoever thinks of it that way completely misses the point.

nashtymavsfan13 · 01-14-2011, 05:46 PM

I don't mind the Avery bashing at all, because I think most of it is well deserved, but in the video he says he "dreams of our center grabbing 10 rebounds", not "averaging 10 rebounds". I don't think he means it as a knock on Brook, my interpretation of it is that he's merely saying he's dreaming about the little things the Nets need to do in order to win basketball games. Now I'm not saying that it isn't his fault that Brook Lopez has regressed noticeably, just saying that I don't think Avery is bashing him in that video.

CadBane · 01-14-2011, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13

I don't mind the Avery bashing at all, because I think most of it is well deserved, but in the video he says he "dreams of our center grabbing 10 rebounds", not "averaging 10 rebounds". I don't think he means it as a knock on Brook, my interpretation of it is that he's merely saying he's dreaming about the little things the Nets need to do in order to win basketball games. Now I'm not saying that it isn't his fault that Brook Lopez has regressed noticeably, just saying that I don't think Avery is bashing him in that video.

Oh there is absolutely no question that was a clear shot at Brook. Those two have been going at it ALL year. Not to mention, Brook IS there center...so obviously he's speaking of him.

alexamenos · 01-14-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Last year they didn't have Humphries, Favors, a healthy Harris, Outlaw, etc.

The fact is, Brook, their centerpiece, has regressed massively. Avery is just too draconian. When your star player is that frustrated with his coach, there's a problem.

When your *star* player is a center who's averaging less than 6 boards a game on a team that won 12 games last year, you're a crappy team....no matter who is coaching.

mavs777 · 01-14-2011, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

When your *star* player is a center who's averaging less than 6 boards a game on a team that won 12 games last year, you're a crappy team....no matter who is coaching.

this "star player" averaged 8+ rebounds the last couple of years

CadBane · 01-14-2011, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

When your *star* player is a center who's averaging less than 6 boards a game on a team that won 12 games last year, you're a crappy team....no matter who is coaching.

I'm not saying the Nets are a good team, not by any stretch. And Brook needs to play better, period. That said, Avery has already worn out his welcome there. His draconian, micro-managing Napoleon complex has shattered the players quick.

rabbitproof · 01-15-2011, 12:09 PM

How much of Melo's wanting to go to NYK has to do with avoiding Avery?

He's risking a lot of cash. If he tears an ACL this weekend, he'll be kicking himself for a long time.

mavs777 · 01-15-2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

How much of Melo's wanting to go to NYK has to do with avoiding Avery?

He's risking a lot of cash. If he tears an ACL this weekend, he'll be kicking himself for a long time.

None of it, he wants to play home, win, and in the biggest media market

rabbitproof · 01-15-2011, 12:26 PM

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None of it, he wants to play home, win, and in the biggest media market

Home/market will come with the move to Brooklyn.

Win remains to be seen but that's dependent on so much.

alexamenos · 01-15-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

this "star player" averaged 8+ rebounds the last couple of years

It takes one helluva bad coaching job to make a player forget how to block out.

Bayliss · 01-15-2011, 06:00 PM

Well to be fair to Lopez, he didn't play in the WCs this summer because of an illness(mono), and he had it to start out the year. Then he injured (his shoulder?) I believe... didn't miss games but it effected him. Then he he plays with Humphries (who is from the Danny Fortson school of rebounding... ie stealing it from your own teammates).... And NJ plays at a slower pace this year as opposed to last (27th this year to 25th last year)

So the 2 rebound difference is somewhat explanaible.

bobatundi · 01-16-2011, 10:46 AM

Not taking any responsibility away from Lopez--he's gotta box out, man up, play as hard on D as he does on O--but you've got the Nets playing at a snail's pace, and their opponents shooting a pretty high FG%, and (as a previous poster mentioned) Kris "The Mavericks' 15th man" Humphries going after every rebound even if it means leaving his man and stealing them from his own teammates. So it's not that surprising that Lopez isn't averaging 10 boards a game. And let there be no doubt, Avery's comment was a shot at Lopez, that's the kind of passive-aggressive little control freak that he is. Remember all his comments after the finals, where he talked like he was taking ownership of the losses while clearly throwing jabs at his players? He's totally in Lopez's head; no doubt in my mind Carmelo doesn't/wouldn't want to play for Avery; and he's been jerking Favors around all season, too. Hopefully their GM & owner will realize the mistake they made, realize why nobody touched Avery for two years after the Mavs ran him out of town in spite of his winning percentage, and just suck it up & make the necessary change.

Big Boy Laroux · 01-28-2011, 11:45 AM

Avery was a good fit for the mavs in his first year because he was such an opposite of Nellie. You see it all the time. Disciplinarian takes over for a "player's coach" (or vice versa), team finds temporary success. Coaches wear out their welcome over time with their particular style. You Dallas folks have seen this lately with the transition of Tuna to Wade to Garrett.

The problem with Avery is he quickly went waaaaaay too far in the other direction. Micro-managing EVERYTHING.

Mav Addict · 01-28-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Avery was a good fit for the mavs in his first year because he was such an opposite of Nellie. You see it all the time. Disciplinarian takes over for a "player's coach" (or vice versa), team finds temporary success. Coaches wear out their welcome over time with their particular style. You Dallas folks have seen this lately with the transition of Tuna to Wade to Garrett.

The problem with Avery is he quickly went waaaaaay too far in the other direction. Micro-managing EVERYTHING.

Bingo!

Underdog · 02-05-2011, 12:46 PM

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Avery Johnson gets $25,000 fine

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NEW YORK -- New Jersey Nets coach Avery Johnson has been fined $25,000 for improper conduct toward an official during a game against the Philadelphia 76ers.

NBA vice president Stu Jackson announced the fine on Friday.

Johnson was ejected with 7:47 left in the third quarter Wednesday night after being hit with two technical fouls. Johnson argued a foul should have been called when Elton Brand tried to strip the ball from the Nets' Devin Harris. Replays appeared to show Brand missing the ball.

Johnson argued with official Brent Barnaky and got tossed for the first time as the Nets' coach, walking off the court to chants of "Avery, Avery, Avery."

The Nets lost the game, 106-92.

Those last 2 lines are hilarious.

ceelowdream · 02-13-2011, 09:20 PM

The owner is probably putting lots of pressure on Avery.

Thespiralgoeson · 02-14-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Avery was a good fit for the mavs in his first year because he was such an opposite of Nellie. You see it all the time. Disciplinarian takes over for a "player's coach" (or vice versa), team finds temporary success. Coaches wear out their welcome over time with their particular style. You Dallas folks have seen this lately with the transition of Tuna to Wade to Garrett.

The problem with Avery is he quickly went waaaaaay too far in the other direction. Micro-managing EVERYTHING.

You can even get away with micromanaging everything if you have a great knowledge of the game, but Avery DOESN'T. He's a complete hack, and I give him very little credit the success the Mavs enjoyed during that period. The Mavs won all those games simply because Dirk played like the first ballot hall-of-famer that he is, and Donnie Nelson surrounded him with a supporting cast that was at least decent. Any number of coaches with just an elementary knowledge of the game could've done what Avery did here, and probably wouldn't have gotten thoroughly ass-raped by Riley and Nellie.

F*ck Avery Johnson.

JayR · 03-18-2011, 08:51 PM

the only thing avery johnson was good at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUHIfOicCbU

clutch#41 · 03-19-2011, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JayR

the only thing avery johnson was good at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUHIfOicCbU

that was f-ing hilarious hahahaa