What about the Agro-Americans?

[MavKikiNYC]

Okay, for those who like to rail at PC-isms run amok, feel free to rail below.

Screw the NCAA, like they can afford to lose any more viewers.

Florida State to Challenge Ban on Mascots

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: August 6, 2005

Filed at 1:39 p.m. ET

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) -- Fed up with what it considers ''hostile'' and ''abusive'' American Indian nicknames, the NCAA announced Friday it would shut those words and images out of postseason tournaments, a move that left some school officials angry and threatening legal action.

Starting in February, any school with a nickname or logo considered racially or ethnically ''hostile'' or ''abusive'' by the NCAA would be prohibited from using them in postseason events. Mascots will not be allowed to perform at tournament games, and band members and cheerleaders will also be barred from using American Indians on their uniforms beginning in 2008.

Major college football teams are not subject to the ban because there is no official NCAA tournament.

Affected schools were quick to complain, and Florida State -- home of the Seminoles -- threatened legal action.

''That the NCAA would now label our close bond with the Seminole people as culturally 'hostile and abusive' is both outrageous and insulting,'' Florida State president T.K. Wetherell said in a statement.

''I intend to pursue all legal avenues to ensure that this unacceptable decision is overturned, and that this university will forever be associated with the 'unconquered' spirit of the Seminole Tribe of Florida,'' he added.

The committee also recommended that schools follow the examples of Wisconsin and Iowa by refusing to schedule contests against schools that use American Indian nicknames.

While NCAA officials admit they still can't force schools to change nicknames or logos, they are making a statement they believe is long overdue. Eighteen mascots, including Florida State's Seminole and Illinois' Illini, were on the list of offenders.

Those schools will not be permitted to host future NCAA tournament games, and if events have already been awarded to those sites, the school must cover any logos or nicknames that appear.

''Certainly some things remain to be answered from today, and one of those things is the definition of what is 'hostile or abusive,''' said Tom Hardy, a spokesman at Illinois.

The NCAA did not give a clear answer on that.

President Myles Brand noted that some schools using the Warrior nickname will not face sanctions because they do not use Indian symbols. One school, North Carolina-Pembroke -- which uses the nickname Braves -- will also be exempted because Brand said the school has historically had a high percentage of students, more than 20 percent, who are American Indians.

''We believe hostile or abusive nicknames are troubling to us and it can't continue,'' committee chairman Walter Harrison said. ''We're trying to send a message, very strongly, saying that these mascots are not appropriate for NCAA championships.''

The decision, however, quickly evoked passions and complaints from both sides.

At Florida State, Wetherell said the NCAA was trying to embarrass the school for using its nickname, even though the Seminole Tribe of Florida has given the university permission to continue using it.

''Other Seminole tribes are not supportive,'' said Charlotte Westerhaus, the NCAA vice president for diversity and inclusion.

Supporters also were unhappy.

Vernon Bellecourt, president of the National Coalition on Racism in Sports and Media and a member of the Anishinabe-Ojibwe Nation in Minnesota, approved of the ban but had hoped the NCAA would take even stronger action.

''We're not so happy about the fact that they didn't make the decision to ban the use of Indian team names and mascots,'' he said.

Harrison, president at the University of Hartford, said the executive committee does not have the authority to do that, and schools can still appeal their inclusion on the list.

Brand and Harrison said they hoped school officials would pursue policy changes through the NCAA first, before going to court.

''I suspect that some of those would like to having a ruling on that,'' Brand said. ''But unless there is a change before Feb. 1, they will have to abide by it.''

Two years ago, the NCAA recommended schools determine for themselves whether Indian depictions were offensive.

Among the schools to change nicknames in recent years were St. John's (from Redmen to Red Storm) and Marquette (from Warriors to Golden Eagles).

But that hasn't changed opinions on either side.

''They're not willing to give up this money,'' Bellecourt said, referring to merchandising revenue. ''We would hope that it (the decision) was the handwriting on the wall that would urge them to drop these team names and mascots.''

In other actions, the executive committee approved:

--Imposing stronger penalties for schools that fall well below the NCAA's new academic scoring system. Harrison said teams would receive a warning letter the first year; restrictions on scholarships, recruiting and playing time the second year; and a postseason ban the third year. If a school fails to meet the standard four consecutive years, all teams at that school would be ineligible for postseason play.

--Rewarding schools that perform consistently well in the classroom with public recognition and additional money. Schools that make significant improvements may also be singled out for recognition.

--Not penalizing schools for athletes who leave when circumstances are deemed beyond the control of the athlete or school. Included among the measure would be the dropping of programs or majors, or the death of a family member. Departures because of coaching changes would not be included. Schools could also salvage one point in the new academic measurement if underclassmen are academically eligible when they are drafted and would receive a bonus point if an underclassmen returned to complete his or her degree.

--A two-year contract extension for Brand. His deal was to run through Dec. 31, 2007 and now includes an indefinite two-year rollover.

--Recommended schools re-examine their policies regarding alcohol sales and advertising.

[u2sarajevo]

I am offended by the Chicago White Sox also.

My Uncle, who farms in West Texas on his Ranch, is deeply offended by the Dallas Cowboys.

I think all teams should be required to just be identified by the city they are in and the sport they play.

The Dallas Hockey club.
The Arlington Football club.
The Dallas Basketball players.
The Frisco Soccer club.

Stop offending anyone.

Period.

[Drbio]

This has to be one of the lowest points in common sense history. I couldn't believe it when I saw it on ESPN.

[capitalcity]

key & short elementary APACHES - 1990 Arlington Optimist 5th grade Tackle Football Champions

...and they can never take that away from me.

[Rhylan]

I just don't see how nicknames are hostile and offensive.

Companies pay millions of dollars for naming rights on stadiums and sponsorships and everything else in sports... how can you turn around and say that when someone NAMES their team after you, it's derogatory? Teams don't use mascots as a method of deriding a particular person or group.

[Lonely PSU Mavs Fan]

Originally posted by: Rhylan
I just don't see how nicknames are hostile and offensive.

Companies pay millions of dollars for naming rights on stadiums and sponsorships and everything else in sports... how can you turn around and say that when someone NAMES their team after you, it's derogatory? Teams don't use mascots as a method of deriding a particular person or group.

I agree with you, but i think what people are offended by are the visual representations of american indians.

[kg_veteran]

I threw up in my mouth a little when I read this article.

[Murphy3]

I can see it if the nicknames were something like: Texas A&M Flaming Homos or USC Pot Smoking Ass Monkeys....But the line has obviously been drawn way too close to the PC line.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: Lonely PSU Mavs Fan

I agree with you, but i think what people are offended by are the visual representations of american indians.

bingo.

not all of the images are positive.

[MavKikiNYC]

I think that USC's mascot is an affront to anyone who doesn't believe in using birth control.

[Mavdog]

and then there's the oregon beavers...

[Hitman]

My father and mother are from Ireland and I deeply offended by the Notre Dame calling themselves the "Fighting Irish" and that damn visual representation of an Irishmen that gets the crowd all riled up.

I am quite confident that Notre Dame will be prohibited from using their nickname or mascot in the postseason.

And bejeezus we can all tip a pint o' guinness to that!

Slainte!

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You do not have to apologize smiles.

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