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roadrunner · 11-08-2012, 09:29 AM

Mayo is certainly the best pure 2 guard we have had since Finley. In fact, with his great work ethic and high character he reminds me of Finley. His overall game is better than Finley right now because he has better handles, distributes better and plays better D. Although my memories of Finleys D may be tarnished by the way he was coached by Don Nelson. Long term, the important factor to saying he is Finley or better will be consistency. Time will tell if this is the case.

markus1234 · 11-08-2012, 09:45 AM

Mayo 21-33 .636
JET 4-12 .333

SMC0007 · 11-08-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by roadrunner

Mayo is certainly the best pure 2 guard we have had since Finley. In fact, with his great work ethic and high character he reminds me of Finley. His overall game is better than Finley right now because he has better handles, distributes better and plays better D. Although my memories of Finleys D may be tarnished by the way he was coached by Don Nelson. Long term, the important factor to saying he is Finley or better will be consistency. Time will tell if this is the case.

I'd love to see Mayo with Finleys hops tho.

EricaLubarsky · 11-08-2012, 12:31 PM

Kidd/Terry/Chandler or Collison/Mayo/Kaman?

EricaLubarsky · 11-08-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by roadrunner

Mayo is certainly the best pure 2 guard we have had since Finley. In fact, with his great work ethic and high character he reminds me of Finley. His overall game is better than Finley right now because he has better handles, distributes better and plays better D. Although my memories of Finleys D may be tarnished by the way he was coached by Don Nelson. Long term, the important factor to saying he is Finley or better will be consistency. Time will tell if this is the case.

Finley was a really underrated defender, but I mostly agree with that assessment. I'd just like to see more sample size than five games before I decide though. We haven't seen many brutal defenses yet and Finley was able to fill it up night after night.

grndmstr_c · 11-08-2012, 12:36 PM

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Kidd/Terry or Collison/Mayo?

It's hard to find fault with the new backcourt this year, but that's allowing for the fact that the first pairing are each (well?) past their prime, and ignoring the fact that we're still lacking data on how well the new duo will mesh with Dirk, something the old duo unquestionably did exceedingly well.

ocelot_ark · 11-08-2012, 03:50 PM

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Finley was a really underrated defender, but I mostly agree with that assessment. I'd just like to see more sample size than five games before I decide though. We haven't seen many brutal defenses yet and Finley was able to fill it up night after night.

Yeahhh - I'm going to have to disagree with you on Finley's defense. He was carrying the load so much back then that I felt like he always sandbagged a little on defense so he could play his 42 minutes and put more effort on offense. And it definitely fell off the map quickly from the, at least, respectable level he had been playing at around the time the Mavs actually starting getting further into the playoffs consistently.

dude1394 · 11-08-2012, 04:02 PM

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Kidd/Terry/Chandler or Collison/Mayo/Kaman?

Neither...collison, mayo, chandler

markus1234 · 11-08-2012, 04:37 PM

Chandler vs. Kaman should be interesting tomorrow. Both guys will be motivated as hell.

SMC0007 · 11-08-2012, 04:47 PM

Chandler vs Kaman will be fun to watch!

I love Chandler but in the battle between those two, as far as who I want on my team, Kaman has more weapons and it's not even close. Other factors play in too tho, health and the mental and intestinal fortitude of Chandler are impossible to ignore.

From the small sample size, I side with Collison, Mayo, Kaman.

iella · 11-08-2012, 04:51 PM

Based on the number of championship brought to the franchise, I have to go with Kidd/Terry/Chandler. Preliminary returns this year are promising, but too early to say anything conclusive on Collison/Mayo/Kaman.

Lestat_1795 · 11-08-2012, 04:59 PM

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Neither...collison, mayo, chandler

25 years old Kidd, 30 years old Terry and a healthy Chandler for the win

dude1394 · 11-08-2012, 08:28 PM

Kaman is obviously better offensively, but defensively it's no contest.

MavsFTR · 11-08-2012, 08:33 PM

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Kaman is obviously better offensively, but defensively it's no contest.

Part of the need for a defensive center was due to our other players being pretty bad defensively. Maybe we won't need a center as defense oriented as Chandler if our new guys can pull it together on that end?

dude1394 · 11-08-2012, 08:36 PM

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Part of the need for a defensive center was due to our other players being pretty bad defensively. Maybe we won't need a center as defense oriented as Chandler if our new guys can pull it together on that end?

Maybe bit I think dirk needs to be bookended by defensive guys like Marion/chandler.

lilojmayo · 11-09-2012, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by roadrunner

Mayo is certainly the best pure 2 guard we have had since Finley. In fact, with his great work ethic and high character he reminds me of Finley. His overall game is better than Finley right now because he has better handles, distributes better and plays better D. Although my memories of Finleys D may be tarnished by the way he was coached by Don Nelson. Long term, the important factor to saying he is Finley or better will be consistency. Time will tell if this is the case.

. From a skillset/talent perspective Juice is superior to Finley. Its the production where it gets interesting.

Finley only had 4 seperate games as a Mav were he had b2b 30+ points nights. in his entire career as a Mav. OJ has already done that once. Finely only had 1-2 40 point nights a Mav.

Even though Juice ceiling/potential is far superior to that of Finley. Finley was a model of consistency that Juice has yet to show in his career.

Only time will tell

Murphy3 · 11-09-2012, 09:52 AM

And maybe Marion/Dirk/Brand won't be a bad combination defensively..

lilojmayo · 11-09-2012, 11:45 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=598l2M3L3hc

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-09-2012, 11:51 AM

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Kaman is obviously better offensively, but defensively it's no contest.

The gap in defense between Kaman and Chandler is small than the gap in offense. Kaman was actually playing solid defense before the calf injury. He admits that he isn't back in shape and isn't 100%.

Edit: How did this topic come up in the Mayo thread again?

tron#1 · 11-09-2012, 12:12 PM

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I'm most excited to see his ability to handle the ball, get into the paint and distribute, and play with efficiency.

The overall scoring stats will take a dip when Dirk gets back, but I'm seeing a FAR better version of Jason Terry in the making. As a matter of fact, if OJ keeps this up, comparisons to Terry might end of as a slight insult instead of a compliment.

I always thought this. You can't knock terry as he has a ring and was year after year a top 6th man of the year. But oj EASILY has more raw talent then him. He has his shot now and so far has shown he is a starting guard in this league. He has the green light now in his chance to put his name up there with the westbrooks, roses, and loves.... All players from his draft class.

Underdog · 11-09-2012, 12:28 PM

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I always thought this. You can't knock terry as he has a ring and was year after year a top 6th man of the year. But oj EASILY has more raw talent then him. He has his shot now and so far has shown he is a starting guard in this league. He has the green light now in his chance to put his name up there with the westbrooks, roses, and loves.... All players from his draft class.

Pffft, I already think Mayo's game is better than Terry's - I never liked that our second-best scorer was an undersized SG that couldn't play defense and came off the bench.

lilojmayo · 11-14-2012, 11:25 PM

he is a big time player folks

tron#1 · 11-14-2012, 11:56 PM

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he is a big time player folks

yeh memphis are idiots... they had a star on the bench. more important he just isnt a bench player. in my opinion memphis could have made it to the finals with the team they had if mayo was a starter... but they forced him to try and be something he isnt. he is a starting 2 guard in this league folks.

CanadianMavsFan · 11-15-2012, 12:01 AM

He has definitely been very good so far. Apart from his stellar play my favourite thing about the guy is his professionalism, he just comes in to do work, even if he may take a shot or two that makes you cringe (although I find that even this is a rarity so far, he sure as hell is no Terry).

Really looking forward to see how he meshes with Dirk. The two man game with him and Kaman looked great tonight, so I can only imagine the havoc they can wreak together.

Dtownsfinest · 11-15-2012, 01:26 AM

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yeh memphis are idiots... they had a star on the bench. more important he just isnt a bench player. in my opinion memphis could have made it to the finals with the team they had if mayo was a starter... but they forced him to try and be something he isnt. he is a starting 2 guard in this league folks.

I disagree. Mayo last season wasn't that good for the Grizz and it wasn't because he was on the bench. Its a small sample size but he's different this year. His jumper is simply falling and falling at a alarming rate. Will he keep this up? I'd like to think not but if he does we have ourselves a all star in this league.

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I'd love to see Mayo with Finleys hops tho.

Man i'll never forget Finley's dunks over Olden Polynice and Yao Ming. Our best dunker in history and its by a mile.

mavsfan1000 · 11-15-2012, 01:39 AM

Yeah a Mayo/Dirk combination could be deadly. Also having Marion on defense will make our roster more well-rounded. Can't wait to get those 2 back.

tron#1 · 11-15-2012, 02:18 AM

[QUOTE=Dtownsfinest;1293435]I disagree. Mayo last season wasn't that good for the Grizz and it wasn't because he was on the bench. Its a small sample size but he's different this year. His jumper is simply falling and falling at a alarming rate. Will he keep this up? I'd like to think not but if he does we have ourselves a all star in this league.

agree and disagree. ive gone back and watched some film of mayo years coming off the bench recently. he looked so out of place it looked so forced. like im doing this because my coach tell me to but its not me. jamal crawford, jason terry, lu williams are born shooters off the bench they thrive in that role. but Mayo is a starter if that wasnt evident to coach Hollins he shouldnt be a coach in this league.

ChileanMavsFan · 11-15-2012, 07:39 AM

Love what Mayo is doing so far for the Mavs. Last night he didn't tried a lot of three pointers and instead attacked the rim more, he played nicely with Kaman a couple of times, didn't have a lot of turnovers. I still think that, because of his natural athleticism, he should be a better defender. He still young but he needs to keep working on that part of his game.

I think he has definitely been the Mavs best player so far

. Still early in the season though, hopefully he can stay efficient on offense the rest of the season.

dude1394 · 11-15-2012, 07:45 AM

I thought mayo was exceptional until the fourth when it became tight. Then not as much. But I do like fearless. And he does have that jet terry fearless boneheadedness to him, which we probably will need.

lilojmayo · 11-15-2012, 09:06 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWe09...ature=youtu.be

OJ Mayo 25 point 4 assists game against Wizards in W

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=598l2...hannel&list=UL
OJ Mayo 22 points 6 assists game against the Raptors in W

ChileanMavsFan · 11-15-2012, 09:22 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWe09...ature=youtu.be

OJ Mayo 25 point 4 assists game against Wizards in W

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=598l2...hannel&list=UL
OJ Mayo 22 points 6 assists game against the Raptors in W

Thank you for the videos! +rep

mavs777 · 11-15-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Kidd/Terry/Chandler or Collison/Mayo/Kaman?

Close because Kidd is a distant 6th and Chandler of the 6 is clearly 1.

mavs777 · 11-15-2012, 03:16 PM

I think the Mayo hype needs to calm down a bit. His shooting is legit as his career spot up numbers suggest but at this point he is very limited other than scoring.

There are 61 qualified shooting guards her are numbers not relating to scoring
AST %: 37th
TO %: 42nd
RBD rate: 32nd

He doesn't provide much other than scoring so he will need to be a high volume efficient scorer to have value. Obviously so far he has done that but eventually the three point % will regress, will be interesting to see how his efficiency numbers end up at the end of the year.

QSA · 11-15-2012, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lilojmayo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWe09...ature=youtu.be

OJ Mayo 25 point 4 assists game against Wizards in W

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=598l2...hannel&list=UL
OJ Mayo 22 points 6 assists game against the Raptors in W

Don't start to overrate him again.

I'm glad to see him playing pretty well, but he still has work to do. He also needs to prove that his shooting can be consistent.

I'm very interested to know what it is the Mavs supposedly "fixed" regarding his shooting technique. His form has always looked very good, but he's never shot the ball this well. One thing I noticed from pictures is that he has a tendency to look at the ball before releasing it. I wonder if this is what was corrected or if it was something else. Has anyone heard of what it was?

sike · 11-16-2012, 12:23 PM

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I think the Mayo hype needs to calm down a bit. His shooting is legit as his career spot up numbers suggest but at this point he is very limited other than scoring.

There are 61 qualified shooting guards her are numbers not relating to scoring
AST %: 37th
TO %: 42nd
RBD rate: 32nd

So basically he has been an elite scorer and either average or slightly below average at these other categories and you are preaching caution?

If the Mavs 2 guard can put up an efficient 17-20ppg and be average at everything else, I'm good with that.

LSMF · 11-16-2012, 01:05 PM

Spotlight : OJ Mayo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_-V77dol4U

jthig32 · 11-16-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

I think the Mayo hype needs to calm down a bit. His shooting is legit as his career spot up numbers suggest but at this point he is very limited other than scoring.

There are 61 qualified shooting guards her are numbers not relating to scoring
AST %: 37th
TO %: 42nd
RBD rate: 32nd

He doesn't provide much other than scoring so he will need to be a high volume efficient scorer to have value. Obviously so far he has done that but eventually the three point % will regress, will be interesting to see how his efficiency numbers end up at the end of the year.

I'm a pretty big Mayo doubter, but I think it's pretty important to remember that whatever problems you have with him right now, he hasn't yet had the benefit of playing alongside Dirk.

mavs777 · 11-16-2012, 02:13 PM

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So basically he has been an elite scorer and either average or slightly below average at these other categories and you are preaching caution?

If the Mavs 2 guard can put up an efficient 17-20ppg and be average at everything else, I'm good with that.

One part is the outlier. I too will be thrilled if he is a efficient 17-20 PPG scorer.

Underdog · 11-16-2012, 04:43 PM

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If the Mavs 2 guard can put up an efficient 17-20ppg and be average at everything else, I'm good with that.

Not unlike Jason Terry? That guy seemed to work out okay for us...

LonghornDub · 11-16-2012, 05:32 PM

If Mayo were this good of a scorer and also good in all of those categories, he wouldn't be a player we sign for $4M. He's be a max guy (or near it).