GDT: Mavericks vs. Wizards 14/11/2012 7:30 PM CT - Page 3 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

jleefilled · 11-14-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Collison sucks ass since a few games

Hakeem Seraphin

Did anyone else see Mayo tell Collison that he'll bring the ball up on that play at about the 50 second mark? It looked like Collison wanted to set up the offense but Mayo wouldn't let him.

If that did happen, I like the move by Mayo. Collison has already shown a tendency to get rattled after a bad play. At that point in the game, it looked like Mayo took it upon himself to get the Mavs a good shot at the basket.

JimRed · 11-14-2012, 10:54 PM

Phew...

tron#1 · 11-14-2012, 10:55 PM

mayo with the assist.... game is over now! i like this mayo and kaman connection

ActionJackson · 11-14-2012, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

Carter is clearly Rick's coach on the floor. Directing traffic, barking out orders, running upcourt backwards to hear Carlisle's instructions, and hyping up the players. Nice to have that veteran leadership out there.

I agree. Liked Vince's input here.

Rick41 · 11-14-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tron#1

guys are haing career nights against us. dang!

You must be new.

Rick41 · 11-14-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jleefilled

Did anyone else see Mayo tell Collison that he'll bring the ball up on that play at about the 50 second mark? It looked like Collison wanted to set up the offense but Mayo wouldn't let him.

If that did happen, I like the move by Mayo. Collison has already shown a tendency to get rattled after a bad play. At that point in the game, it looked like Mayo took it upon himself to get the Mavs a good shot at the basket.

It did happen, and I said to myself, GOOD.

sefant77 · 11-14-2012, 11:04 PM

Still pissed we are not 7-2 or at least 6-3

jleefilled · 11-14-2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick41

It did happen, and I said to myself, GOOD.

Exactly. I think it kind of shows how competitive Mayo is. Collison is his friend, but he's not letting his friendship get in the way of the W. I like that.

Bayliss · 11-14-2012, 11:08 PM

I agree Sefant. But a win is a win. Mavs just need to hang in there for probably another month then things will start to sort themselves out. Dirk should be back by then. The rest of the team will have some time together.

WraithXx · 11-15-2012, 12:57 AM

pathetic performance.

oh shit, guess I need to update my sig pic... nah, still love JT.

dude1394 · 11-15-2012, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jleefilled

Did anyone else see Mayo tell Collison that he'll bring the ball up on that play at about the 50 second mark? It looked like Collison wanted to set up the offense but Mayo wouldn't let him.

If that did happen, I like the move by Mayo. Collison has already shown a tendency to get rattled after a bad play. At that point in the game, it looked like Mayo took it upon himself to get the Mavs a good shot at the basket.

I did but I didn't like it. Mainly because I thought mayo went a little into hero mode intead of getting the ball to kaman like should have been done every time down the court.

jleefilled · 11-15-2012, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I did but I didn't like it. Mainly because I thought mayo went a little into hero mode intead of getting the ball to kaman like should have been done every time down the court.

Yeah, I guess I felt more comfortable even with hero-mode from Mayo on that possession rather than taking a chance with Collison after he had just handed the ball to the Wizards on the previous offensive play. Although, I do think that Mayo passed the ball at least twice on that play that, correct me if I'm wrong, ended up in foul shots?

dude1394 · 11-15-2012, 01:59 AM

Kaman was scoring at will or providing great looks. It is incumbent on collison to recognize that and get it to him.

Rick Carlisle · 11-15-2012, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Still pissed we are not 7-2 or at least 6-3

Lol if you think you're pissed now wait 'til you see the record at the end of the season!

Skywalker · 11-15-2012, 02:52 AM

lmao

OneLove22 · 11-15-2012, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Carlisle

Lol if you think you're pissed now wait 'til you see the record at the end of the season!

We should be upper half of the Western Conference playoffs.

chumdawg · 11-15-2012, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Jason Terry was a goddamned moron, too. Here's hoping that his reduced role and Dirk as a leader will expose more of his ballsy Terry/NVE clutchness and less of his boneheaded clutch turnovers.

You're damn right he was a maroon! But what the hell does that say about this present bunch of idlers, loafers and ne'er-do-wells? It's bad enough that we had to lose to the Charlotte Bobcats...the Charlotte BOBCATS, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! Now we're jacking around and giving up 15-0 runs to the WASHINGTON DAMN WIZARDS? The wheels have shot so far off this thing that right now we are running on EMPTY! I'm not so sure Dirk SHOULD even come back now. I'm not so sure there is one God-lovin' reason why he should. We dismantled the champion two summers ago, we showed our ass last summer, and evidently this summer we showed that we are the WORST goddamned TALENT acquisitors in the GODDAMNED NBA! And I'm not even sure "acquisitor" is a word. It doesn't sound right! That's how far this damn thing has fallen. This is PITIFUL. Pitiful.

fluid.forty.one · 11-15-2012, 04:01 AM

Good gracious!

ChileanMavsFan · 11-15-2012, 08:10 AM

Good win but they still need to learn to close out games. But considering all the new guys on the team and that Dirk and Marion are out, it is to be expected I think. I'm confident that Carlisle is gonna get that fixed.

sike · 11-15-2012, 09:32 AM

I'll take, "Learning to Close Out Bad Teams" for $800, Alex.

Kante · 11-15-2012, 09:54 AM

Missed the game (shame on me).

How did Murphy look? And i saw James ahead of Wright, too. Hmmm...

sike · 11-15-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kante

Missed the game (shame on me).

How did Murphy look? And i saw James ahead of Wright, too. Hmmm...

He actually hit a couple shots (3-5)...other than that, he looked about the same. (Though only 2 boards in 18 min?)

Kante · 11-15-2012, 10:20 AM

Yeah, saw the stats. I thought Wright was alright and next to Kaman he would be better rebounding-wise... Surprised he was DNP-CD.

mavsfan1000 · 11-15-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kante

Yeah, saw the stats. I thought Wright was alright and next to Kaman he would be better rebounding-wise... Surprised he was DNP-CD.

Yeah Carlisle makes some weird decisions. Could he be resting Wright? I just don't get his decisions sometimes. Wright at PF seems to make perfect sense to me.

EricaLubarsky · 11-15-2012, 12:44 PM

I don't understand putting a leash on Wright or giving so much PT to Murphy. I wish I knew what the reason was. Wright is the new Roddy.

In better news-- I thought Kaman played a little better on defense this game. Perhaps his total incompetence on the defensive end these past few games was due to injury, because he was much more active contesting shots. We need him to be big next to Dirk.

Murphy3 · 11-15-2012, 12:52 PM

I said it before the season.. Without Dirk, this is not a good team. Without Dirk and Marion, well, it's a pretty bad team. Be patient..any win is a good win right now.

SMC0007 · 11-15-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I don't understand putting a leash on Wright or giving so much PT to Murphy. I wish I knew what the reason was. Wright is the new Roddy.

In better news-- I thought Kaman played a little better on defense this game. Perhaps his total incompetence on the defensive end these past few games was due to injury, because he was much more active contesting shots. We need him to be big next to Dirk.

REbounding

sefant77 · 11-15-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Carlisle

Lol if you think you're pissed now wait 'til you see the record at the end of the season!

Its not about that.

Our weak start schedule is/was a gift with Dirk out. An important gift. And then just p*ss away two wins (against the Bobcats in a ridiculous stupid way) is just not acceptable.

The loss against the Wolves can bite us big time at the end of the season (tie breaker, playoff spot etc).

dirt_dobber · 11-15-2012, 01:57 PM

Starter to bench-warmer? “Weird,” Brandan Wright says
by: Brad Townsend / Dallas Morning News
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2012/...on-weird.html/

Mavericks center/forward Brandan Wright wasn’t surprised when Chris Kaman replaced him in the starting lineup for Wednesday night’s home game against Washington.

After all, the Mavericks’ intention all along was for $8 million free agent-signee Kaman to start, as soon as his injured calf was strong enough for increased court time.

What Wright did not expect Wednesday night, however, was going from starter to not playing at all. Rookie Bernard James stepped into the backup center role, at least for one night, scoring four points and pulling down three rebounds in 15 minutes.

“It’s weird, man, what can I say?” a calm Wright said after the game, even managing a smile. He said coach Rick Carlisle “didn’t say a word to me” about why he didn’t play.

“You’ll have to ask him, but I’ll go with it,” Wright said. “You can’t keep a good man down.

Carlisle said James earned the minutes with his recent play. Carlisle cautioned reporters not to read too much into one game because Dallas’ playing rotation is fluid, often depending on a given game’s matchups.

“I respect his decision as a coach,” Wright said. “I definitely wasn’t happy about what happened, but we got the win, so that’s all that matters.”

grndmstr_c · 11-15-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I don't understand putting a leash on Wright or giving so much PT to Murphy. I wish I knew what the reason was.

I think it's pretty clear at this point that the reason is that Rick simply doesn't see Brandan as a PF in the Mavericks' offense. It's the same as last year, when Dirk was out and Yi was temporarily playing a bigger role in the rotation.

Taking position into account, the guy Brandan really lost minutes to last night was Sarge. Rick seemed to intimate that wasn't going to be a permanent thing after the game, though, and I'm inclined to believe him on that point.

While I'm at it, something that seems to have been overlooked in the midst of all the recent belly-aching about Murphy's PT is that the coaching staff may very well feel that just having a stretch-4 out on the court - giving the rest of the guys the opportunity to run plays that have the potential to take advantage of a big who can do damage from the perimeter - will have long-term value for the team.

saclare · 11-15-2012, 03:01 PM

Ok...it definitely is a lot better in person than watching on the tube.

The biggest issue with this team is rebounding. Whether this gets fixed with Marion and Dirk is yet to be seen, but I noticed something else. Chemistry. You have guys almost every possession fighting each other for the rebound. I love the energy of Collison and Crowder, but there are times where you have to know where Kaman/Brand are and know that if they are there not to go crashing into them. SAME TEAM is what I found myself hollering too much last night.

Collison will end up being very good for us. However, for now, and again this could be fixed with Dirk back, his shot selection is awful. He's also not being very agressive. Multiple times he was being isolated and could drive. Two things can happen when he penetrates since he is so quick (real time is crazy to watch), he can either make it to the rack and score/get to the free throw line, or create some offense and ball movement when guys crash on him. Still, I like him and I think he will grow under Rick and Co.

The young guys are exciting. Crowder has no nerves and James is a valuable piece that can only get better. I would love to see a little more Cunningham but our guards are log jammed.

Kaman is a beast offensively. I cannot wait to see how he, Mayo, and Dirk operate together. HOWEVER, his defense has got to improve. To his credit, he is good on closing out the lane to opposing slashers, but his one on one D can use a lot of work. He gives way too much space and leaves a lot of room for error.

All in all this was a very fun game to be at. The runs and then last minute suspense. Sure, it was depleting to let the Wizards of all teams create that comeback but the W in the end was sweet.

I will say this to end... Cuban needs to get creative and get some butts in the seats. I was in the lower bowl so I have no angle other than filling it up. There are WAY too many empty seats and it kills the noise level. I don't care if it was a middling team but he's got to get creative. At the very least, past halftime or some other designated time, upgrade the people up top and invite them to fill up the lower bowl. I guess I should be used to Dallas fans by now but I despise the fact that so many rich and uninterested fans get to use these seats up (season ticket holders) and abandon them for the most part.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-15-2012, 03:07 PM

There will be plenty of experimenting early on...especially without Dirk. I really don't think it means much that Wright didn't play. Coach is just finding out which lineups work and which ones don't. Plus, Wright just isn't a good rebounder. You can't be 6'10, play 22 mpg, and grap a mere 4.6 rebounds per game. I hate to say this, but Wright really is just a better shot blocking Hakim Warrick. I'm not hating on him, but the man has limitations.

dude1394 · 11-15-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I don't understand putting a leash on Wright or giving so much PT to Murphy. I wish I knew what the reason was. Wright is the new Roddy.

In better news-- I thought Kaman played a little better on defense this game. Perhaps his total incompetence on the defensive end these past few games was due to injury, because he was much more active contesting shots. We need him to be big next to Dirk.

Carlisle said it in about three interviews now and mark followill followed it up last night in the post game.

Carlisle said "defensive rebounding, defensive rebounding, defensive rebounding, defensive rebounding". He is adamant that he'll play 5 midgets if it gets his defensive rebounding up.

Followill shared a stat that the Mavs were in the bottom,quarter or something in defensive rebounding percentage. Teams that are that low do not make the playoffs. If wright (or his teammates when he is on the court ) doesn't fix this he won't be on the court.

ChileanMavsFan · 11-15-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Carlisle said it in about three interviews now and mark followill followed it up last night in the post game.

Carlisle said "defensive rebounding, defensive rebounding, defensive rebounding, defensive rebounding". He is adamant that he'll play 5 midgets if it gets his defensive rebounding up.

Followill shared a state that the Mavs were in the bottom,quarter or something in defensive rebounding percentage. Teams that are that low do not make the playoffs. If wright (or his teammates when he is on the court ) doesn't fix this he won't be on the court.

According to this link http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/tea...defReboundRate Dallas is 27th in defensive rebounding rate.

I agree with you, Wright has to understand that he needs to be better rebounding if he wants to play.

BGMaverick9 · 11-15-2012, 04:40 PM

http://www.thetwomangame.com/2012/11...l-into-action/

LonghornDub · 11-15-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

Chemistry. You have guys almost every possession fighting each other for the rebound. I love the energy of Collison and Crowder, but there are times where you have to know where Kaman/Brand are and know that if they are there not to go crashing into them. SAME TEAM is what I found myself hollering too much last night.

There have absolutely been too many instances already this year of two Mavs crashing into each other trying to get what should be an easy rebound.

dude1394 · 11-15-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

There have absolutely been too many instances already this year of two Mavs crashing into each other trying to get what should be an easy rebound.

I'm actually okay with this. It says they are going to get it. I'd much rather have this than either player thinking the other igho gt it.

kg_veteran · 11-15-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Carlisle said it in about three interviews now and mark followill followed it up last night in the post game.

Carlisle said "defensive rebounding, defensive rebounding, defensive rebounding, defensive rebounding". He is adamant that he'll play 5 midgets if it gets his defensive rebounding up.

Followill shared a stat that the Mavs were in the bottom,quarter or something in defensive rebounding percentage. Teams that are that low do not make the playoffs. If wright (or his teammates when he is on the court ) doesn't fix this he won't be on the court.

That's it. And we really shouldn't get too worked up one way or the other, because once Dirk is back the rotation is going to change significantly anyway. It will be Dirk, Brand, Kaman, and then Wright/Sarge/Murphy will be fighting for leftovers.

LonghornDub · 11-15-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I'm actually okay with this. It says they are going to get it. I'd much rather have this than either player thinking the other igho gt it.

I'd rather have my shooting guard shoot 30% than 20%. Doesn't mean I want him to shoot 30%.

It's actually not about two players going for a rebound. That's great, like you say. It's about communication and knowing when to get out of the way.

b_o_r · 11-15-2012, 08:08 PM

Hate to see Wright get a DNP, especially since he was shooting well. However, I think his demotion was more bout his defense than his rebounding. He had just came off a 8reb night against the Bobcats when he got a quick hook in the Wolves game after Williams dunked on him. If you watch the games, you can see Brand's frustrations with Wright when he doesn't rotate to back up Brand after Brand rotates to help the guard.

Speaking of defensive sieves, Collison is getting a pass because of a lack of option at his position. PG are getting by him with and without a screen and that shouldn't happen. Even worse he barely makes an attempt to go back to his man if the ball is swung around.