Official GDT: Mavs vs Suns (2:30CT) - Page 8 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

tcat075 · 04-05-2009, 05:25 PM

BG, no recap?

I think the bottom line is this: We're really good when our jump shot is falling. Really good.

left texas · 04-05-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

We just hit some shot and beat a team we were supposed to beat. When we hit our shots, we win. When we don't, we lose. Our 3's fall at a better clip at home and that's why we're a much better team at home than on the road.

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Originally Posted by tcat075

BG, no recap?

I think the bottom line is this: We're really good when our jump shot is falling. Really good.

Here is the post game thread.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 04-05-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

BG, no recap?

I think the bottom line is this: We're really good when our jump shot is falling. Really good.

Yes, but the problem is our jump shot tends to fall against bad defensive teams. Thus we beat bad teams and lose to good ones.
And our jump shot falls alot more at home, thus we lose on the road (Memphis)

SMC0007 · 04-05-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Here is that play at the end of the quarter in regards to Barea:

LOLerbladin.

Ghazi's beat a team were supposed to has become the most annoying thing that is remotely associated with the Mavs.

Will the real Mavs please stand up. I love the win but I don't put much stock in it. The only thing we have been consistently all season long is inconsistent.

The ones who thought the team was better without Josh now realize how stupid that was. I mean it was really stupid to think that. Only a stupid dummy would think that to be the case.

I enjoy when the MAVS pants the Suns!

Laotor · 04-05-2009, 05:58 PM

GREAT WIN!!

Gotta hope Utah loses tonight against New Orleans!!!

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 04-05-2009, 05:58 PM

WTF couldnt Josh have played against Memphis? Did his ankle really improve that quickly? We'd be tied with Utah now! (with the strong possibility of being 1/2 game ahead of them by the end of tonight)

Dirkadirkastan · 04-05-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

it isn't wise to sit your star that long that early, particularly if they are a rhythm player. Because if the other team comes back, and your star is out of rhythm (like we've seen Dirk before), it is not good.

Second, we weren't up 22 the whole time he was resting. He does this against other teams when the lead isn't so big and it ends up biting us in the ass.

Dirk with a quiet 28 on 10-12 shooting.

tcat075 · 04-05-2009, 06:16 PM

I must say, my favorite play from today was when Josh blocked a Sun (Amundson?), Phoenix got it back, Dirk blocked a 2nd Phoenix attempt, got the ball and threw it down the court for Damp for a cherry-pickin' slam.

The 3/4 court buzzer beater and Kidd's go-ahead assist were awesome, but you got to love that one play. Josh getting active defensively, then Dirk getting active defensively, then showing how our offense can get points when we play defense.

xraided199 · 04-05-2009, 06:30 PM

sorry for the delay, but HERES THAT REP HOMIES AND HOMETTES!!! what a great game...

GermanDunk · 04-05-2009, 06:35 PM

This is really ill. I mean 140 is more lika a suns result.

LonghornDub · 04-05-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Two things.

Yes, now we are up 22...and the Mavs have never blown a 22 point lead before...right?

You're right, when the Mavs have a line up out there that has expanded a lead from under ten to around twenty, and as that lineup is continuing to blow the game open, it makes perfect sense to rotate the personnel to account the possibility that they might blow the large lead

. You do realize that the Mavs were continuing to the expand the lead AS you were complaining that Dirk was sitting too long, right? Nonsensical.

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Originally Posted by CadBane

I think we'll win fine today, but the point is, it isn't wise to sit your star that long that early, particularly if they are a rhythm player. Because if the other team comes back, and your star is out of rhythm (like we've seen Dirk before), it is not good.

It's completely irrelevant whether it's wise in general to sit your star for that long. It worked brilliantly today. It's not as though Carlisle is establishing some trend of sitting Dirk for 10 minutes in every second quarter--it just happened to be working today, so he stuck with it.

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Second, we weren't up 22 the whole time he was resting. He does this against other teams when the lead isn't so big and it ends up biting us in the ass.

Again, why does this matter? We weren't playing "other teams" today. We were playing Phoenix. And while Dirk was out during that second quarter, the Mavs put the game away. Yet, that was exactly the moment when you inexplicably complained that you "hate it when Carlisle does that crap." Why not save that complaint for a game where Dirk sits too long and the Mavs actually lose a lead, rather than expanding it by 15+ points?

CadBane · 04-05-2009, 06:53 PM

Your logic is completely inane. It does matter because it COULD HAVE hurt us and HAS HURT US in the past. Just because it didn't today doesn't mean it's savvy coaching.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-05-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

You're right, when the Mavs have a line up out there that has expanded a lead from under ten to around twenty, and as that lineup is continuing to blow the game open, it makes perfect sense to rotate the personnel to account the possibility that they might blow the large lead

. You do realize that the Mavs were continuing to the expand the lead AS you were complaining that Dirk was sitting too long, right? Nonsensical.

It's completely irrelevant whether it's wise in general to sit your star for that long. It worked brilliantly today. It's not as though Carlisle is establishing some trend of sitting Dirk for 10 minutes in every second quarter--it just happened to be working today, so he stuck with it.

Again, why does this matter? We weren't playing "other teams" today. We were playing Phoenix. And while Dirk was out during that second quarter, the Mavs put the game away. Yet, that was exactly the moment when you inexplicably complained that you "hate it when Carlisle does that crap." Why not save that complaint for a game where Dirk sits too long and the Mavs actually lose a lead, rather than expanding it by 15+ points?

To expand on this point, Phoenix was down about eight points when their bench came in and brought it to 46-45. Then Gentry put the starters back in and suddenly it was 70-48. Somewhere in the middle of the run, JVG commented that Gentry should have left the bench in longer.

GermanDunk · 04-05-2009, 07:11 PM

Man, Dirka. This sig is making me dizzy. Could you slow down the gif, por favor ? 3 frames ?

LonghornDub · 04-05-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Your logic is completely inane.

Oh, sweet irony.

It was absolutely savvy coaching today. There is simply zero argument to the contrary. The Mavs massively expanded the lead, and when Dirk came back in the 3rd quarter he was just fine.

Complaining about something that's working beautifully--as it's working, no less--carries with it the implicit assumption that Carlisle would do the same thing in a future game at a time when it wouldn't work. You mistakenly assume that the coach is incapable of reading individual game situations differently and making decisions based on what he sees.

I cannot think of one game this season where Dirk sat that long during that stretch of a game without being in foul trouble. And yet you're complaining about it like there's some sort of precedent.

CadBane · 04-05-2009, 09:02 PM

If Phil Jackson tells Kobe to shoot 40 foot threes all night, and he goes 20-30 on them, is that good coaching?

CadBane · 04-05-2009, 09:03 PM

And for this gem,

"I cannot think of one game this season where Dirk sat that long during that stretch of a game without being in foul trouble. And yet you're complaining about it like there's some sort of precedent."

I can think of several.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-05-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

If Phil Jackson tells Kobe to shoot 40 foot threes all night, and he goes 20-30 on them, is that good coaching?

This is just a straw man argument, since shooting 40 foot threes is never a viable strategy, but every player spends time on the bench.

But please, do elaborate on those specific circumstances which you briefly and vaguely mentioned in your post above.

LonghornDub · 04-05-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

This is just a straw man argument, since shooting 40 foot threes is never a viable strategy, but every player spends time on the bench.

Good call.

Flacolaco · 04-05-2009, 11:22 PM

Dirk must be on the dudes fantasy team or something.

CadBane · 04-06-2009, 12:31 AM

Clearly my single post has been greatly misconstrued. Can't say I'm surprised.

Underdog · 04-06-2009, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

tHE mAVS aRE dOOMED! i'M sO gLOOMY bECAUSE sHAGGYdIRK'S cAT dOESN'T cOME aROUND aNYMORE...

sUNS - 151
mAVS - 127

Mavs - 140
Suns - 116

I was joking with this post, but the final score really wasn't too far off the mark (considering average NBA scores...)

[...and the right team won!]

DirkFTW · 04-06-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Mavs - 140
Suns - 116

I was joking with this post, but the final score really wasn't too far off the mark (considering average NBA scores...)

[...and the right team won!]

Since it worked, you have to keep doing this for every game from here on out. Hopefully Shaggy doesn't hunt you down and kill you before the playoffs are over.