11-21-2003, 08:21 PM
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MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
Antonio Davis
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Jamison
Delk
Apparently this was reported on ESPN TV.
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11-21-2003, 08:22 PM
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RE: MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
Only in the fondest dreams of Toronto fans... There is no way this is going to happen.
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11-21-2003, 08:24 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
Outside of the fact that this is ridiculous, I've been watching ESPN for about the past 2.5 hours and have heard nothing of the sort.
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11-21-2003, 08:27 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
And shouldn't this be in the rumored trades thread?
And anticipating this thread's relocation, I will say that Jamison/Delk makes no sense now given the Jalen Rose trade.
I'd send Fortson and Delk, though. And whatever salary fodder needed to be included.
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11-21-2003, 08:28 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
it was apparently reported on ESPN? who apparently reported it?
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11-21-2003, 08:33 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
A human
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11-21-2003, 09:25 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
Lol! They wish.
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11-21-2003, 09:33 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
it's happening
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11-21-2003, 09:37 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
bigdaddy, cite some sources, or can it.
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11-21-2003, 09:39 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
realgm.com
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11-21-2003, 09:56 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
OK. here it is:
Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (12.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.3 apg in 26.6 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (10.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.3 apg in 25.1 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Antonio Davis (7.7 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 34.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -15.3 ppg, -0.5 rpg, and -1.5 apg.
Toronto trades: PF Antonio Davis (7.7 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 34.9 minutes)
Toronto receives: SF Antawn Jamison (12.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.3 apg in 12 games)
PG Tony Delk (10.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.3 apg in 7 games)
Change in team outlook: +15.3 ppg, +0.5 rpg, and +1.5 apg.
TRADE DECLINED
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11-21-2003, 10:34 PM
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RE: MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
I don't see why Dallas would do that trade, unless they get either a first round pick or vince carter in return. Don't get me wrong, i think Antonio Davis is a talented big man, but is he really worth Jamison AND Delk?
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11-21-2003, 10:47 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
the only way they mavs make the trade is if they're absolutely sold on Walker as the SF and the Mavs think they are 20-25 minutes of pretty good interior defense away from winning the title (of course, that's added to what Bradley brings)..
do I think the deal will happen? No, but I do believe that if the Mavs are discussing a deal similar to this that they are at least on the right track...not saying that this is the right move..just that the thinking behind it is sound in theory.
that is, unless they don't believe that the current mix is the ticket to winning the title. Personally, I'm not sold on having 5 offensive weapons of this magnitude on the same team. However, I'm not convinced that it won't work either. More time is needed to draw any definitive conclusions IMO
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11-21-2003, 10:57 PM
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RE: MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
This isn't going to happen. Dallas always ends up being in the thick of trade talk whenever anything is about to go down, and this is probably because Donnie and Cuban always try to get involved with any ongoing trade talks around the league.
I am sure we have been sounding out the Bulls and the the Raptors, but I will be amazed if we have put anybody on the table but Tariq Abdul Wahad, Eduardo Najera, and cash or second rounders. The only way Walker or Jamison would be in the conversation (and neither can actually be traded until 60 have elapsed from the previous trades) would be if the Raptors were contemplating dealing Vince Carter...
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11-21-2003, 11:06 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
Rhylan, it's two years and about 30 million dollars difference
Davis has 3 years left at like 37 mill
Jamison has 5 years and like 70 mill
Financially it's a smart move. Mavs have got to start getting things under control. Nash is up now. Dirk has 4 more years before he gets his player option. They're tied to Finley's monster contract for 5! more years.
Still, Im in the "no" category on this trade, but I recognize that it has some appeal.
I'm actually advocating for keeping Jamison and moving Walker. He has more value and absolutely no touch. Every time he gets the ball I hold my breath. I love his passing, but fires em up faster than a tennis ball cannon.
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11-21-2003, 11:20 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
I hope this trade doesn't happen. I can't understand why we would overpay so drastically for Davis.
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11-21-2003, 11:24 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
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Originally posted by: Max Power
I hope this trade doesn't happen. I can't understand why we would overpay so drastically for Davis.
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MP I agree that giving up Jamison seems too expensive just to get Davis. Davis doesn't have that many playing years left either.
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11-21-2003, 11:27 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
BTW doesn't it seem funny how these rumors seem to surface on the weekend when we all know they can't be confirmed until Monday. Makes me think some dumb@$$ just pulled this out of his @$$ and started saying it alot. Say it enough times and the stupid media will pick it up and believe anything. This just looks like something that was created out of thin air like the Bonzi/Rasheed trade for Jamison/Fin.
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11-21-2003, 11:26 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
Like I said, I don't think that this trade will by any means go through. However, what would be a reason why the Mavs would look to make a move with Jamison other than trying to bring in a low post defender?
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11-21-2003, 11:30 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
>>> I can't understand why we would overpay so drastically for Davis. <<<
See Jamison
See Walker
See Finley
See TAW
See LaFrentz
See Eschmeyer
See Juwan Howard
See Fortson
Mavericks and Overpaid are two words that are far from strangers to one another.
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11-21-2003, 11:34 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
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>>> I can't understand why we would overpay so drastically for Davis. <<<
See Jamison
See Walker
See Finley
See TAW
See LaFrentz
See Eschmeyer
See Juwan Howard
See Fortson
Mavericks and Overpaid are two words that are far from strangers to one another.
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We're not talking about overpay in dollars, but in talent. Mavs have seriously upgraded in each trade in recent years. In Jamison for Davis the Mavs don't get equal value in talent. Plus Davis only has a few years left. Jamison is still relatively young. I think we can get as good a lowpost player as Davis for our MLE next year from Free Agency, why overpay in talent for that now when we can get it for free (in talent) next year?
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11-21-2003, 11:25 PM
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RE: MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
If there is thing that Cuban and Donnie never, ever, ever, ever do, is make a deal where we give up an inordinantly high amount of talent to fill some percieved need on the team.
We didn't overpay for Brian Grant, or Dikembe Mutumbo, or Theo Ratliff, and we sure as heck aren't going to do it for Antonio Davis.
The only way either Twan or Toine are on the table, is if Vince Carter is also a part of the discussion.
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11-21-2003, 11:45 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
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i hate to see AD go...
he is the heart and soul of our team
he has played undersized for the last few years all for his team..
the guy is an all star he defends like a rock.. he has a nice soft touch
and can catch the ball really well..
i think dallas should throw in a pick with jamison and delk..
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this is robbery though.. mavs need to throw in jamison and nash instead of delk
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Thats fromDavis is a superstar, a scoring machine when he is into the game. I've seen this guy backdown Yao Ming last game without a problem. Antonio is built strong, kind of like a Ford.
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Raptors fans on real GM.
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11-21-2003, 11:48 PM
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RE: MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
I am calling BS on this rumor. Even realgm is reporting that ESPN is reporting it, but cites a report and links to it, but the link is broken. I went to ESPN and looked at the wire reports, main NBA page, not a single mention of this.
This is crap.
We can all relax, Donnie, Don, and Mark didn't get high on crystal-meth and pull off a stupid trade.
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11-22-2003, 12:04 AM
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RE: MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
Everyone has pretty much covered all the points of why this trade will or will not happen but I'll chime in anyway.
It would be the first time the Mavs completed a trade where the talent in return doesn't match but I can see why they would make it.
The Mavs would have Bradley, Fortson, and Davis playing center. Not the most feared combination but it would be solid enough to keep Dirk at the pf position. It would also allow Najera to be his primary backup.
Davis is declining, but in limited minutes, I think he could be effective.
The Mavs are without a doubt confident that Walker can be our starting sf the next few years.
Delk would be shipped because they'll take their chances with Best backing Nash. Especially since we can have others bring the ball up adequately or make passes. Plus, it allows Howard to get minutes behind Finley.
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11-22-2003, 12:09 AM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
In a related story, Justine Timberlake and Britany Spears are in critical condition after a car accident today. [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]
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11-22-2003, 12:11 AM
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RE: MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
I found this.... Cbssportsline article on Toronto/Chicago trade. It mentions Davis going to Chicago, not Dallas.
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RE: MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
Kingsfan... that is essentially the same article I posted a link to. But the Mavs are not mentioned.
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11-22-2003, 12:18 AM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
oops..I didn't even read it..assumed it mentioned both..but 4 what its worth magic announcer's did mention it....
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11-22-2003, 12:21 AM
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RE: MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
I think all we've learned definitively is that Davis is not going to be a Canadian much longer.
...and I hope Jamison and Delk are still residing in North Texas.
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11-22-2003, 06:34 AM
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RE: MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
Here´s a three way trade that would actually work ... (kinda)
Dallas trades: SG Michael Finley
SF Antawn Jamison
SF Eduardo Najera
Dallas receives: PG Alvin Williams
SF Morris Peterson
SF Jalen Rose
PF Tyson Chandler
PF Marcus Fizer
PG Jay Williams
Toronto trades: PF Antonio Davis
PG Alvin Williams
PF Jerome Williams
SF Morris Peterson
Toronto receives: SF Antawn Jamison
SF Eduardo Najera
SF Donyell Marshall
Chicago trades: SF Jalen Rose
SF Donyell Marshall
PF Tyson Chandler
PF Marcus Fizer
PF Jay Williams
Chicago receives: SG Michael Finley
PF Antonio Davis
PF Jerome Williams
Posttrade Roster:
Chandler, Bradley, Fortson
Dirk, Fizer
Walker, Mo Pete, TaW
Rose, Delk, Howard
Nash, Best, Alvin Williams, Jay Williams
No one has to break his promises (Rose not going to Canada, blah blah) and stuff on this one, still it´s not necessarily a good trade.
And - you know - George Karl reported Rasheed playing in a Mavs uni the other day ...
I´ll go with the Murph report on the trade.
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11-22-2003, 09:12 AM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
Cuban scotches rumours
NBA trade rumours were flying fast and furious last night. As discussion of the possible Antonio Davis-Jalen Rose trade continued on sports radio, television and the Internet, a new scenario was thrown out.
Chicago was either going to flip Davis to the Dallas Mavericks for forward Antawn Jamison — and maybe Tony Delk — or Toronto was going to do the deal itself with Dallas.
It took Mavs owner Mark Cuban less than two minutes to respond to the question.
"Hell, no," Cuban e-mailed back, when asked if there was any substance to the suggestions.
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11-22-2003, 01:47 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
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Cuban scotches rumours
NBA trade rumours were flying fast and furious last night. As discussion of the possible Antonio Davis-Jalen Rose trade continued on sports radio, television and the Internet, a new scenario was thrown out.
Chicago was either going to flip Davis to the Dallas Mavericks for forward Antawn Jamison — and maybe Tony Delk — or Toronto was going to do the deal itself with Dallas.
It took Mavs owner Mark Cuban less than two minutes to respond to the question.
"Hell, no," Cuban e-mailed back, when asked if there was any substance to the suggestions.
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where there's smoke, there's fire.
I don't think there will be a trade, but I do believe that Cuban has at least been making inquiries.
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11-22-2003, 05:33 PM
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RE: MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
i could see dallas entering this deal. but we wont give much. we will give a couple of not so important players to even out salaries and get a big man from one of the teams. Marshall, Fizer, Williams
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11-22-2003, 11:55 PM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
I'll second the comments of the Evil One.
This trade will never happen.
And why would anyone want it to?
A 35 year old, 6'9" PF who we'd ask to play center who is a good rebounder and a pretty decent low post defender but who's shooting under 36% and, by the way, is 35?
Sure, I'll give up a high-scoring, high-flying 6'9", 27 year old star for that. Or maybe I won't....
I'd give up Danny Fortson and Travis Best to get Davis. That's about it.
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11-23-2003, 01:03 AM
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RE:MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...
Yeah, I don't really think that many people are in favor of the proposed trade. I can see scenarios in which a trade would be necessary (no, not this trade though). However, none of those scenarios have played out at this point...not remotely.
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