01-18-2023, 10:44 PM
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Why does Nerlens have to be involved? He sucks and isn't going to do anything for us. We don't have a backup center problem, we have a starting Center problem and a coach problem. McGee is a fine backup.
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01-18-2023, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SMC0007
Why does Nerlens have to be involved? He sucks and isn't going to do anything for us. We don't have a backup center problem, we have a starting Center problem and a coach problem. McGee is a fine backup.
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Nerlens is significantly better at defense and rebounding than both McGee and Powell. Are you arguing that he's not?
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01-18-2023, 11:06 PM
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Nerlens is significantly better at defense and rebounding than both McGee and Powell. Are you arguing that he's not?
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Im just telling you its a moot point because he fn sucks. We don't need an insignificantly better backup to be insignificantly better for 8 mins a game max. If it's a throw in to match salaries to get Bogs, then whatever, but he is more likely to be eating hot dogs on the bench than playing meaningful basketball. It's a starting Center and coaching problem more than back up center problem.
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01-18-2023, 11:21 PM
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Im just telling you its a moot point because he fn sucks. We don't need an insignificantly better backup to be insignificantly better for 8 mins a game max. If it's a throw in to match salaries to get Bogs, then whatever, but he is more likely to be eating hot dogs on the bench than playing meaningful basketball. It's a starting Center and coaching problem more than back up center problem.
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No disrespect intended but
A) I?d take any upgrade over Powell playing 35 minutes and getting 1 rebound. People shit on Powell (for good reason) but then don?t want an upgrade that would come cheap?
2) Noel has better rebounding and defensive numbers than Powell (who everyone hates and is one of the reasons we?re 25th in defense and 30th in rebounding) and McGee (who is 35 and getting DNPed)
There is no argument other than bluster to not get Noel at the bargain price he?s going to fetch. Pistons are just terrible and have no guards and are prioritizing Isaiah Stewart. Decent players that can?t get playing time are the exact players we need to target.
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01-18-2023, 11:29 PM
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No disrespect intended but
A) I?d take any upgrade over Powell playing 35 minutes and getting 1 rebound. People shit on Powell (for good reason) but then don?t want an upgrade that would come cheap?
2) Noel has better rebounding and defensive numbers than Powell (who everyone hates and is one of the reasons we?re 25th in defense and 30th in rebounding) and McGee (who is 35 and getting DNPed)
There is no argument other than bluster to not get Noel at the bargain price he?s going to fetch. Pistons are just terrible and have no guards and are prioritizing Isaiah Stewart. Decent players that can?t get playing time are the exact players we need to target.
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None taken. Again, the point is if Powell is on the team, Nerlens isn't starting over him or logging more mins. You have to kill him or trade him to change things. Coach is to blame for Powell sucking on the floor, FO is to blame for not having a better option.
Nerlens doesn't move the meter and if you need to see it again here to believe it then so be it, just get the hot dogs ready.
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01-18-2023, 11:47 PM
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None taken. Again, the point is if Powell is on the team, Nerlens isn't starting over him or logging more mins. You have to kill him or trade him to change things. Coach is to blame for Powell sucking on the floor, FO is to blame for not having a better option.
Nerlens doesn't move the meter and if you need to see it again here to believe it then so be it, just get the hot dogs ready.
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Then we move Powell. Problem solved. I can't imagine the FO not trying to shop Powell at this point unless he really does have nudes of Cuban with a hooker.
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01-18-2023, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
Then we move Powell. Problem solved. I can't imagine the FO not trying to shop Powell at this point unless he really does have nudes of Cuban with a hooker.
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Cuban's buddy, said it a million times. Cuban is a piece of crap and doesn't really care about the betterment of the team.
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01-18-2023, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SMC0007
Why does Nerlens have to be involved? He sucks and isn't going to do anything for us. We don't have a backup center problem, we have a starting Center problem and a coach problem. McGee is a fine backup.
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WE ARE STARTING DWIGHT POWELL. THAT IS ALL.
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01-18-2023, 11:07 PM
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WE ARE STARTING DWIGHT POWELL. THAT IS ALL.
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Exactly my point. It's a starting Center problem and a coaching problem. Surely no one thinks Nerlens would come here and start?
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01-18-2023, 11:09 PM
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Exactly my point. It's a starting Center problem and a coaching problem. Surely no one thinks Nerlens would come here and start?
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If you're also getting Bojan, then it's a no brainer. You're getting an upgrade, no matter how bad, at center and a HUGE upgrade in the wing.
Fans seems to poo poo how good Bojan has been this season. I give up an unprotected first without hesitation. Remember that we traded for a 35 year old Jason Kidd and won a ring. Age doesn't really bug me when we need to win now.
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01-18-2023, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
If you're also getting Bojan, then it's a no brainer. You're getting an upgrade, no matter how bad, at center and a HUGE upgrade in the wing.
Fans seems to poo poo how good Bojan has been this season. I give up an unprotected first without hesitation. Remember that we traded for a 35 year old Jason Kidd and won a ring. Age doesn't really bug me when we need to win now.
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I'm all for Bojan 100%, I've just seen every mention of him tied to Nerlens Noel. Even seen Nerlens mentioned solo as a player to get as if he matters.
I guess I'd give up an unprotected 1st mostly because we have Green and Hardy. The difference between getting 35yr old Kidd is that we had a much better roster back then than we do now.
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01-18-2023, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SMC0007
Exactly my point. It's a starting Center problem and a coaching problem. Surely no one thinks Nerlens would come here and start?
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I think you?re confusing things.
Is Noel a star/starting-caliber player? No.
Is this team so sad, broken, and desperate for rebounding and bigs that he honestly could start and play 25min? Yes. Yes we are. As sad as that is, he?d be our best center by a mile kind of like when we picked up Sam Dalembert and he was the best of a shitty lot.
The alternative is we pay the Spurs 2025/2027 draft picks for Poeltl and the rest of our trades are Bullock for Reddish which isn?t a strong playoff team and also tapped out until the end of th decade.
Good centers are expensive and everyone has a good one except for us
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01-23-2023, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
I think you?re confusing things.
Is Noel a star/starting-caliber player? No.
Is this team so sad, broken, and desperate for rebounding and bigs that he honestly could start and play 25min? Yes. Yes we are. As sad as that is, he?d be our best center by a mile kind of like when we picked up Sam Dalembert and he was the best of a shitty lot.
The alternative is we pay the Spurs 2025/2027 draft picks for Poeltl and the rest of our trades are Bullock for Reddish which isn?t a strong playoff team and also tapped out until the end of th decade.
Good centers are expensive and everyone has a good one except for us
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Maybe i am confusing some things, but Part of my message is that, could Noel get 25mins or starter role here if a sane FO and coach were at the helm? Possibly. Would he get it as it stands now? No. Dwight Pow wouldn't be unseated by Noel.
Also, I wouldn't be expecting any kind of tangible turnaround if he came and did start because I don't thinks he's making much difference.
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01-23-2023, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SMC0007
Maybe i am confusing some things, but Part of my message is that, could Noel get 25mins or starter role here if a sane FO and coach were at the helm? Possibly. Would he get it as it stands now? No. Dwight Pow wouldn't be unseated by Noel.
Also, I wouldn't be expecting any kind of tangible turnaround if he came and did start because I don't think he's making much difference.
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Noel is a better rebounder and defender than Powell.
He's more mobile also.
I wouldn't go by the Noel that was here with Rick. He's does a lot of the defensive things Kleber does when Kleber was healthy.
In fact, I'd say you could play him and Wood together and that would solve some of our rim protection issues with a slight boost to rebounding.
I feel the same way about R.Holmes although he's not as good as Noel defensively out in space.
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