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FreshJive · 10-06-2023, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

I think they won't start Holmes because they know it will become way too obvious if he's out there it will shine a light on him being better than Powell

lol

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-06-2023, 12:26 PM

Lively is the real deal on defense though. His timing on guarding defenders and switching will eventually be elite.

EricaLubarsky · 10-06-2023, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Lively is the real deal on defense though. His timing on guarding defenders and switching will eventually be elite.

And the chemistry he has with Luka is palpable.

Mavs had no spacing because the entire team was a mess. Even if we were clicking, Wolves have a crazy big rotation with KAT and Gobert, but if we could hit the three, then spacing is going to open up for him and he'll be less prone to fouls.

He still showed that he has the seed of something there.

The problem is that it's going to be a bumpy road, but if he's starting and playing 15mpg, maybe he can play 20mpg by the ASB and 25 by the end of the year.

SMC0007 · 10-06-2023, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I guess I dont get all of the hype on Holmes being the answer to our frontcourt issues. The guy is the same size as OMax.

Holmes hasn't been touted as the answer. I think the only thing standing in the way of him being a great contributor is Kidd. I have him slotted to surprise anyone who thinks he is done, but definitely not our answer as a big.

rimrocker · 10-06-2023, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

And the chemistry he has with Luka is palpable.

Mavs had no spacing because the entire team was a mess. Even if we were clicking, Wolves have a crazy big rotation with KAT and Gobert, but if we could hit the three, then spacing is going to open up for him and he'll be less prone to fouls.

He still showed that he has the seed of something there.

The problem is that it's going to be a bumpy road, but if he's starting and playing 15mpg, maybe he can play 20mpg by the ASB and 25 by the end of the year.

Yeah, Luka seems to love this guy and that is the important thing. Lively will be fine...just a question of when.

Still think we need a cheap stop gap legit sized center until Lively becomes a 25+ min starter or rotation player.

Dallas41 · 10-06-2023, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I guess I dont get all of the hype on Holmes being the answer to our frontcourt issues. The guy is the same size as OMax.

And he's still a better rebounder than Powell when given minutes to play or start.

We've seen Holmes avg 10 points and 8 rebounds over the course of full season as a starter at center

We've never seen Powell avg 8 rebounds in any season

Holmes also has an underrated offensive game around the rim

He's not reliant on just lobs to score. He actually has a semblance of am offensive game with a good floater

Powell ain't doing nothing unless Luka spoon feeds him with lobs and he's not much of a lob threat anymore

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-07-2023, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I actually see Omax being overtaken by Green before Lively.

Called it.

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/sta...34290084466717

EricaLubarsky · 10-07-2023, 11:36 AM

Mavs just aren?t very good

EricaLubarsky · 10-07-2023, 11:40 AM

Mavs allowing 59% and 66% from three so even when we can score, it?s boring because we?re down so much. I know it?s preseason but it?s the same thing we saw last year. We?re just stagnant and frustrating and boring.

EricaLubarsky · 10-07-2023, 11:42 AM

This is just embarrassing

Allowing 59% and 67%
Shooting 32% and 23% and only 60% on FTs

EricaLubarsky · 10-07-2023, 11:43 AM

Hardy is so dumb

EricaLubarsky · 10-07-2023, 11:48 AM

This is a 35 win team

EricaLubarsky · 10-07-2023, 11:50 AM

This is the least Watchable team in the league

Clanked guarded three one side
Allowing wide open layup on the other

Team is broken on both sides

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-07-2023, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

This is a 35 win team

ESPN said 41 which is about right.

EricaLubarsky · 10-07-2023, 11:58 AM

Ha Luka hits a three and the entire team goes ham
Mavs immediately let one of their spares answer
Then Luka can?t even inbound it without getting his third TO

Doesn?t matter what our stars do

EricaLubarsky · 10-07-2023, 12:02 PM

27% and 18%
Allowing 53% and 64%

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-07-2023, 12:20 PM

Plus side is we are outrebouding them by 10.

EricaLubarsky · 10-07-2023, 12:52 PM

Dexter Dennis is a stud

NBA body, defensive beast, hitting threes

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-07-2023, 01:23 PM

Hardy is always going to be a hot and cold player, but he's still insanely good when hot.

Also our leading rebounder.

EricaLubarsky · 10-07-2023, 01:36 PM

Kidd's record in the last 15 games

2-13

Dallas41 · 10-07-2023, 02:22 PM

I know it's just preseason but this team still lacks talent

I really don't see the point of having some of same damn veteran players on this roster year after year.

They are maxed out talent wise and at this point the only way see this team contending out west is if they unload some of those vets to bring in another legit starting player.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-07-2023, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

I know it's just preseason but this team still lacks talent

I really don't see the point of having some of same damn veteran players on this roster year after year.

They are maxed out talent wise and at this point the only way see this team contending out west is if they unload some of those vets to bring in another legit starting player.

But that's why you play the rookies and young guys because you have no other choice.

And if Kidd doesn't stick to that, then I can't see him lasting the season.

Melonhead · 10-07-2023, 02:33 PM

Yeah preseason but it looks like the same boring ass no defense team as last year. Feels like a long one incoming and Kidd will not be the one to take the roster anywhere but a play in at best.

FreshJive · 10-07-2023, 05:51 PM

Kyrie already a no show because his penis is sore

SMC0007 · 10-08-2023, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

But that's why you play the rookies and young guys because you have no other choice.

And if Kidd doesn't stick to that, then I can't see him lasting the season.

You think Kidd is going to quit?

SMC0007 · 10-08-2023, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Yeah preseason but it looks like the same boring ass no defense team as last year. Feels like a long one incoming and Kidd will not be the one to take the roster anywhere but a play in at best.

Luka and Kyrie as guards... that team will always be poor defensively

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-08-2023, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

You think Kidd is going to quit?

Haha I get it...Cuban won't fire him. But I if fans jump ship, then he'll have no choice.

rimrocker · 10-09-2023, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Luka and Kyrie as guards... that team will always be poor defensively

If you have 2 superstar guards who play 0 D, you have to surround them with defensive studs.
We have some decent defenders, but nothing compared to what is required to make up for those two liabilities.

You would have thought Cuban would have learned from the 2011 championship putting all of those defensive studs around Dirk and Terry.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-09-2023, 07:30 AM

Lively's D from last game.

https://twitter.com/KT_3410/status/1711139076139516363

SMC0007 · 10-09-2023, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

If you have 2 superstar guards who play 0 D, you have to surround them with defensive studs.
We have some decent defenders, but nothing compared to what is required to make up for those two liabilities.

You would have thought Cuban would have learned from the 2011 championship putting all of those defensive studs around Dirk and Terry.

Luka and Irving can coexist fine offensively, but defensively it's going to be a mess. Even with Lively who is a sure upgrade from DP, We look lethargic defensively.

We still lack 2 way players. Swapping Irving for a 2 way guard with size would be an option I would pursue.

EricaLubarsky · 10-09-2023, 05:26 PM

Kyrie already out for tomorrow in Spain

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-10-2023, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Kyrie already out for tomorrow in Spain

This is why trading Hardy was a non-starter.

Doesn't sound good from what Kidd is saying. Says the "soreness is growing." Yeesh.

saclare · 10-10-2023, 11:39 AM

On one hand, Kyrie should be fine for the opener. But on the other hand, damn it, they were excited to have an offseason to gel. Luka and Kyrie, specifically, but the whole team.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-10-2023, 01:18 PM

Luka only playing 5 minutes with a left calf strain.

Great to start the season with our two stars hurt.

EricaLubarsky · 10-10-2023, 02:53 PM

Way better game than I anticipated given that Kyrie is out and Luka is limited.

Lively will be something

EricaLubarsky · 10-10-2023, 03:02 PM

Weird that we've had three different starters

OMax, Green, and now DJJ

If DJJ can hit an outside shot, he's a hustle defender and easily our best rebounder at the wing until OMax develops.

EricaLubarsky · 10-10-2023, 03:06 PM

In one preseason half, Lively has had as many or more blocks than the entire Mavs team had in an entire game combined in 1/4 of the games last year

EricaLubarsky · 10-10-2023, 03:09 PM

Exum deserves minutes.

Hard defense, disruptive steals, pushes pace and 6ast in 13min

EricaLubarsky · 10-10-2023, 03:15 PM

Probably the end of Lively today with 5pfs in 16min

Still 6pts, 6reb, 2ast, 1stl, 2blk

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-10-2023, 03:31 PM

Lively's defensive IQ is the best I think I've ever seen on this team. He knows where the ball, his man, and all the other team's players are at all times.

And he is a wicked fast learner.

Weird seeing Hardy only get 5 minutes, but they probably can't risk another guard injury for silly preseason.