Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread - Page 51 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-27-2023, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Suns
OUT: Ayton, Camara
IN: Jusuf Nurkic, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little, and Keon Johnson,

Bucks
OUT: Grayson Allen, Nassir Little,
IN: Lillard

Trailblazers:
OUT: Lillard, Nurkic, Keon Johnson
IN: Jrue Holiday, Deandre Ayton, Toumani Camara, 2029 FRP, 2028/2030 pick swap

I mean, we'll see what Portland gets for Holiday, but that is so far a pretty terrible trade for them.

EricaLubarsky · 09-27-2023, 01:52 PM

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I mean, we'll see what Portland gets for Holiday, but that is so far a pretty terrible trade for them.

Ayton is young and if Scoot becomes something, they have four solid rotation guys in Henderson/Grant/Thybulle/Ayton. They may not be playoff, but they can set some picks for Scoot and get him developed while playing some defense which wasn't going to happen with Nurk.

They get a FRP and if Bucks implode, those pick swaps could be good. PLus they can probably get a FRP and a couple of seconds or some good talent for Holiday

Now Suns? If they hated Ayton's defense, Nurk will absolutely kill them. Maybe they plan on scoring 160 a game and allowing 150.

BPo001 · 09-27-2023, 01:26 PM

I?m just happy to see Dame didn?t get to pick his destination (Miami). Also glad he is going to the Eastern conference.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-27-2023, 01:34 PM

Blazers shopping Jrue Holiday. Yes please.

EricaLubarsky · 09-27-2023, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Blazers shopping Jrue Holiday. Yes please.

Mavs PGs (or guys who CAN play PG): Luka, Kyrie, Curry, Hardy, Green, Exum, camp/two way

He'd definitely be that consistent ball-handler we haven't had since Brunson. Maybe Kidd will never trust Hardy/Green with a consistent role and there's a good likelihood that Exum won't be a consistent guy. Maybe it would take Hardy/Green to get him.

It's definitely interesting.

sig · 09-27-2023, 01:52 PM

I don't want to part with Green but if it gets Jrue holiday, I'm in.

EricaLubarsky · 09-27-2023, 01:55 PM

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I don't want to part with Green but if it gets Jrue holiday, I'm in.

Is that you, JKidd?

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-27-2023, 02:11 PM

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I don't want to part with Green but if it gets Jrue holiday, I'm in.

Me too. I'd consider Hardy as well. The defense is needed and worth it.

EricaLubarsky · 09-27-2023, 02:19 PM

Meanwhile my Suns fan friends...

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-27-2023, 02:48 PM

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Meanwhile my Suns fan friends...

Why? Their team is ridiculously deep now.

EricaLubarsky · 09-27-2023, 03:05 PM

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Why? Their team is ridiculously deep now.

I mean they have a lot of players. They made their starting five worse (Nurk. is the worst defensive big in the game) and added a couple of second/third-stringers.

sig · 09-27-2023, 04:28 PM

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I mean they have a lot of players. They made their starting five worse (Nurk. is the worst defensive big in the game) and added a couple of third-stringers.

That's a lot of drama or spite or something. Little and Allen will help them. Nurkic is a really good rebounder and nice offensive player who won't get upset about not getting shots and can pass the ball well. I doubt many teams will be attacking him in the paint. Switches to perimeter and injuries are his issue.

I'd not have given up on ayton but apparently there were chemistry issues with him and that team. There is not enough shots to go around for all of Booker, Beal, KD and Ayton. So for about half the price they get a vet servicable center. Plus they add some nice depth pieces. If it blows up in their face they deal KD, Beal and Booker to get back any youth lost in moving Ayton.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-27-2023, 05:37 PM

The guy who predicted the Mil/Dame trade a week ago said the Mavs and Sixers are interested in Holiday.

EricaLubarsky · 09-27-2023, 06:25 PM

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The guy who predicted the Mil/Dame trade a week ago said the Mavs and Sixers are interested in Holiday.

I bet $50 on going to Philly, but if we can pull that off, Nico needs GM of the year.

BPo001 · 09-27-2023, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

The guy who predicted the Mil/Dame trade a week ago said the Mavs and Sixers are interested in Holiday.

I don?t know what that trade would look like. Holiday is owed like $36m this season I believe. Hardaway, Holmes, Hardy plus picks?

EricaLubarsky · 09-27-2023, 07:20 PM

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I don?t know what that trade would look like. Holiday is owed like $36m this season I believe. Hardaway, Holmes, Hardy plus picks?

That is basically what it has to be

THJ - has to be in the deal
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Kleber or Holmes - pick one
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Green, Hardy, etc - pick one

MFFL · 09-27-2023, 07:58 PM

With all the guard talent the Blazers have already, I can't imagine them being interested in Hardy.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-27-2023, 08:20 PM

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With all the guard talent the Blazers have already, I can't imagine them being interested in Hardy.

Agreed, I think it would be Green, and it makes more sense with his contract status anyway.

I would absolutely do THJ, Maxi, Green, and a pick for Holiday.

But I wouldn't care too much if we didn't get him either.

EricaLubarsky · 09-27-2023, 08:46 PM

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With all the guard talent the Blazers have already, I can't imagine them being interested in Hardy.

Only logical move would be THJ, a big (Kleber or Holmes) and Green. Green could slot into the 2 next to his buddy from the Aussie team.

Scoot/Green/Thybulle/Grant/Ayton at least on paper is a potential playoff team if well coached and has a balance of offense and defense.

Just comes down to what Green wants for $ and if Blazers think they?d also want picks.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-27-2023, 09:32 PM

TMac saying the Suns would have accepted THJ and Holmes for Ayton back in July.

Melonhead · 09-28-2023, 09:20 AM

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TMac saying the Suns would have accepted THJ and Holmes for Ayton back in July.

low key glad they didnt do that. this opinion is purely from a hate suns standpoint lol

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-28-2023, 01:16 PM

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low key glad they didnt do that. this opinion is purely from a hate suns standpoint lol

Well you can't with a straight face say Wood, who they coulda kept for cheap, is a head case just to bring on another head case for 30 mil a year. Add on to Irving needing to work at 40 mil a year, and you'd be really screwing yourself cap-wise if it all went belly up.

That's a hard decision deal, but the fact that Ayton got you Nurkic and Allen in return speaks volumes.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-29-2023, 09:13 AM

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/s...55022606364754

Two firsts or more for Holiday? No thanks. I'd do THJ/Kleber/Green and a first. Nothing beyond that.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-29-2023, 01:13 PM

THJ skipped his interview and fake insider droppingdimes says he is gone. We shall see...

BPo001 · 09-29-2023, 02:04 PM

Brad Townsend: Tim Hardaway Jr.: ?I didn?t know if I was going to be here this season, if I?m being honest with you.? ? via Twitter townbrad
Trade, Tim Hardaway Jr, Dallas Mavericks

Brad Townsend: I mentioned to Hardaway that a couple of days ago Jason Kidd mentioned his name and 6th Man of the Year in the same breath. That apparently took Hardaway by surprise. ?You guys heard it first from him,? said. ?I?m a hybrid, I guess, at this point of my career. Whether I start or come off the bench, I?m not going to be one to have an ego or anything like that. That?s not going to get you anywhere.? ?I?m just here to win ballgames.? I asked whether the 6th Man of the Year goal appeals to him. ?Once I have a conversation with him (Kidd), then we?ll see,? Hardaway said. ? via Twitter townbrad

BPo001 · 09-29-2023, 02:04 PM

Brad Townsend: Prosper on Lively: ?He?s going to be a significant, significant part of this team this year. I?m excited to see him on the court.? ? via Twitter townbrad
Dereck Lively, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, Dallas Mavericks

Brad Townsend: Hardaway says Liveley has the ?It? factor. pic.twitter.com/BHDK2Yxufv ? via Twitter townbrad

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-29-2023, 05:24 PM

I just don't really know what role THJ still has on this team.

Good to hear about Lively. He only needs to be better than Powell to start which shouldn't be too hard to pull off.

EricaLubarsky · 09-29-2023, 08:59 PM

At the very least THJ can be Kyrie's Boban. The two of them are besties.

At most, I hope he's a sparkplug for 10-15 minutes early season only to become a thirdstringer behind Hardy/Green late season.

SMC0007 · 09-30-2023, 07:00 PM

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At the very least THJ can be Kyrie's Boban. The two of them are besties.

At most, I hope he's a sparkplug for 10-15 minutes early season only to become a thirdstringer behind Hardy/Green late season.

This will never happen here. Kidd has too many crutches. You have to literally take them away from him or he will over use them. DP and THJ will be in the same role

dirt_dobber · 09-30-2023, 04:32 AM

I follow a ton of Mavs Twitter people and have yet to read anything so far in this camp about Richaun Holmes - nothing at all. I didn't even see any of the press day goofy stuff the players do. Nor any practice video clips.
So is he here? How does he look? Is he miffed about some of the rooks being highly talked about instead of him?

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-30-2023, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

I follow a ton of Mavs Twitter people and have yet to read anything so far in this camp about Richaun Holmes - nothing at all. I didn't even see any of the press day goofy stuff the players do. Nor any practice video clips.
So is he here? How does he look? Is he miffed about some of the rooks being highly talked about instead of him?

Too me a bit, but I at least found a picture of him. So he was there I guess.

https://www.rockdalenewtoncitizen.co...7f0da590e.html

MFFL · 09-30-2023, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

I follow a ton of Mavs Twitter people and have yet to read anything so far in this camp about Richaun Holmes - nothing at all. I didn't even see any of the press day goofy stuff the players do. Nor any practice video clips.
So is he here? How does he look? Is he miffed about some of the rooks being highly talked about instead of him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T20H-U5y5s

dirt_dobber · 09-30-2023, 10:08 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T20H-U5y5s

Thanks! Said some of the things I wanted to hear from him.

EricaLubarsky · 09-30-2023, 03:08 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T20H-U5y5s

Squee

He may be a spare and may become a distraction, but he did a great job of getting me to like him and root for him.

BPo001 · 09-30-2023, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

I follow a ton of Mavs Twitter people and have yet to read anything so far in this camp about Richaun Holmes - nothing at all. I didn't even see any of the press day goofy stuff the players do. Nor any practice video clips.
So is he here? How does he look? Is he miffed about some of the rooks being highly talked about instead of him?

Mavs IG posted him holding his ?first day of training camp? board with his nickname, hometown, hobbies etc.

EricaLubarsky · 09-30-2023, 05:04 PM

Ha! Bullock got waived.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-30-2023, 05:27 PM

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Ha! Bullock got waived.

I mean, I get not being on a rebuilding team, but Spurs kept Josh Richardson for a while.

A reminder that the Mavs still make some iffy FA decisions.

MFFL · 09-30-2023, 05:33 PM

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I mean, I get not being on a rebuilding team, but Spurs kept Josh Richardson for a while.

A reminder that the Mavs still make some iffy FA decisions.

Bullock was pretty good his first year with us. He just fell off a cliff last year.

EricaLubarsky · 09-30-2023, 05:34 PM

Stein:

Lively is a starter unless he messes up

Josh Green is looking like he deserves the big bucks. That?s a story to follow, although unlike Brunson, Green would be a RFA

Portland has no interest in the packages we can offer for Jrue

EricaLubarsky · 10-01-2023, 11:00 AM

Jrue to Boston for Brogdon and multiple picks

People were criticizing Portland but that?s a great haul.

Deandre Ayton
Robert Williams
Malcolm Brogdon
Toumani Camara
2024 GSW 1st
2029 BOS 1st
2029 MIL 1st
?28 & ?30 MIL Swap