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thewizard · 01-31-2019, 03:44 PM

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Let's try that again: Dallas is finalizing a deal to land Kristaps Porzingis, league sources tell ESPN.

saclare · 01-31-2019, 03:44 PM

Need to know the status of his ACL but hot damn.

thewizard · 01-31-2019, 03:46 PM

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Per @TheSteinLine, it's gonna be Porzingis, Hardaway and Courtney Lee to the Mavs; Dennis Smith, DeAndre, Wes Matthews and a pick to the Knicks.

AO41 · 01-31-2019, 03:47 PM

OMG...I was reading all the KP stuff earlier and though hmm wonder if we would. Then I just get a text that we are....WHATTTTT

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-31-2019, 03:49 PM

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OMG...I was reading all the KP stuff earlier and though hmm wonder if we would. Then I just get a text that we are....WHATTTTT

People were questioning Jordan being out with a mysterious illness, then his failed meeting with the Knicks, then the preferred trade...then boom. Plus, Donnie traveled to NY last night. It all came together.

AO41 · 01-31-2019, 03:56 PM

VERY NICE

I wonder if we see Barnes move as well now?

EricaLubarsky · 01-31-2019, 03:59 PM

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VERY NICE

I wonder if we see Barnes move as well now?

I think we have to.

Porzingis is great, but he really struggles to rebound. Can't play Barnes and Porzingis together or we'll lose the rebounding race even worse

thewizard · 01-31-2019, 03:46 PM

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The deal being close to be finalized between Dallas and New York is Kristaps Porzingis, Courtney Lee, Tim Hardaway Jr. for Dennis Smith Jr., DeAndre Jordan, Wes Matthews, and a pick, per league sources.

The Knicks would also have to add one $1.5M player to make salaries work.

Skywalker · 01-31-2019, 03:48 PM

What is this "future first round draft compesation" Stein is talking about? We can't trade picks now right?

thewizard · 01-31-2019, 03:53 PM

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New York has agreed with Dallas on trade that includes Kristaps Porzingis, Courtney Lee, Tim Hardaway Jr., for Wesley Matthews, Dennis Smith Jr. and DeAndre Jordan, league sources tell ESPN. Players and agents are being notified of particulars. Deal may include more draft assets.

Shams Charania

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Sources: New York and Dallas have agreed in principle on a trade sending package around Kristaps Porzingis for Dennis Smith Jr. Wes Matthews, other contracts, and picks going to New York, and Tim Hardaway Jr., Trey Burke among players going to Dallas. Sides finishing final terms.

Side note: How do you guys embed tweets on this forum?

Underdog · 01-31-2019, 03:54 PM

WOOD.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-31-2019, 03:58 PM

Trey Burke is interesting inclusion if he is included. Knicks fans just jumped off a cliff.

BPo001 · 01-31-2019, 03:59 PM

Skywalker · 01-31-2019, 03:59 PM

So is it Burke or Lee that we're getting? Or both? (also, does it matter? lol)

Melonhead · 01-31-2019, 04:02 PM

Not completely on board with this but whatever. Rather trade Barnes than Wes, and we have no rebounding now.

EricaLubarsky · 01-31-2019, 04:03 PM

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Not completely on board with this but whatever. Rather trade Barnes than Wes, and we have no rebounding now.

We're tanking to keep that pick

Mavs gonna be real bad this season until Zingis gets healthy

Budapest Maverick · 01-31-2019, 06:02 PM

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We're tanking to keep that pick

Mavs gonna be real bad this season until Zingis gets healthy

We're gonna be better than we were, DSJ and Matthews tanked our starting lineup, they were the main reasons why it was literally the worst five-man unit in the NBA. I fully expect the team to make a run at the playoffs once Luka and the bench lineup meshes.

EricaLubarsky · 01-31-2019, 06:11 PM

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We're gonna be better than we were, DSJ and Matthews tanked our starting lineup, they were the main reasons why it was literally the worst five-man unit in the NBA. I fully expect the team to make a run at the playoffs once Luka and the bench lineup meshes.

Jordan is a huge loss on the boards. Even if Porzingis comes back immediately and plays 40mpg, our frontcourt is going to be terrible rebounding. Barnes+ Porzingis is going to get outrebounded by 20 a game.

Honestly think that Brunson starting is a huge upgrade who can facilitate without dominating. Burke is going to be a sparkplug like Barea.

If we get some contributions from THJ or Lee, I will be surprised, but happy.

I still think that in my best case scenario, they go .500 the rest of the way and that is extra rosey.

Most likely Porzingis is held back for two weeks and comes back after the allstar break, and plays no more than 15-20mpg for the remainder of the season. We also have zero time to replace three starters with no training camp so I think it's going to look really rough. We have 31 games left-- 30 once the trade is complete. That's not a lot of time to get a team playing well.

j0Shi · 01-31-2019, 04:06 PM

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Not completely on board with this but whatever. Rather trade Barnes than Wes, and we have no rebounding now.

No way Knicks take multi-year contracts. They want all the cap space this summer. Let's hope they move Barnes in a separate deal.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-31-2019, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Not completely on board with this but whatever. Rather trade Barnes than Wes, and we have no rebounding now.

Mavs seem to love Barnes, but come on, Wes going out is one of the best things about the trade. I don't like moving DSJ, but for Kristaps? Gotta do it.

Melonhead · 01-31-2019, 04:13 PM

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Mavs seem to love Barnes, but come on, Wes going out is one of the best things about the trade. I don't like moving DSJ, but for Kristaps? Gotta do it.

Honestly I think moving DJ Im most bittersweet about it. Not mad, because its KP, but I just liked having him in Dallas. With the Barnes/Wes thing is we need more of Wes 3 than Barnes scoring, so rather move on from him first. But like joshi said, maybe theyll move him in a separate deal.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-31-2019, 04:07 PM

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So is it Burke or Lee that we're getting? Or both? (also, does it matter? lol)

Both I think.

EricaLubarsky · 01-31-2019, 04:02 PM

Porzingis/Powell
Barnes/Dirk/Kleber
Doncic/DFS
Hardaway/Lee/Harris
Burke/Brunson/???

thewizard · 01-31-2019, 04:03 PM

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Sources: Full players involved in Knicks/Mavericks deal:

Kristaps Porzingis, Tim Hardaway Jr., Courtney Lee, Trey Burke to Dallas.

Dennis Smith Jr., Wes Matthews, DeAndre Jordan and likely first-round draft pick compensation to New York.

AO41 · 01-31-2019, 04:04 PM

I hope KP comes back healthy because with Luaks all around game and KPs scoring...we should be sooo good.

j0Shi · 01-31-2019, 04:05 PM

WOW.

So this has obviously been in the works for a while. There is like zero chance KP walks into the Knicks office, says "trade me", and an hour later all is done. Somebody theorized on Twitter that New York leaked this to put the blame on Kirstaps before trading him. Makes sense.

If KP will return to 100% health this is obviously a steal. Turning Dennis, cap room, and whatever pick into a top 20 player, my goodness! Especially since the Knicks could have drafted Dennis last year lol.

Melonhead · 01-31-2019, 04:08 PM

Cant believe I missed the last game of Wes, Dennis, and DJ as a Mav last night :tear:

Gonna go back and watch tonight. Bittersweet day.

EricaLubarsky · 01-31-2019, 04:09 PM

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Cant believe I missed the last game of Wes, Dennis, and DJ as a Mav last night :tear:

Gonna go back and watch tonight. Bittersweet day.

Wait, is that sarcasm?

Only way I could be happier is if we also dumped Barnes and Powell.

BigDog63 · 02-03-2019, 09:18 AM

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Wait, is that sarcasm?

Only way I could be happier is if we also dumped Barnes and Powell.

Don't understand all the Barnes hate I see here. He's been everything the Mavs hoped he would be when they acquired him.

Powell is seeing reduced minutes this year, but he's fine at what he does. Is everyone think we need a more defensive minded backup? Ok. But that doesn't mean Powell is crap.

Plus...blowing it all up might be good for long term...but next year would be all about getting the pieces to gel again. It takes time to build team chemistry.

EricaLubarsky · 02-03-2019, 01:27 PM

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Don't understand all the Barnes hate I see here. He's been everything the Mavs hoped he would be when they acquired him.

He did what we wanted when we got him, but he provides nothing of what we need now.

turin · 02-03-2019, 02:01 PM

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Don't understand all the Barnes hate I see here. He's been everything the Mavs hoped he would be when they acquired him.

Powell is seeing reduced minutes this year, but he's fine at what he does. Is everyone think we need a more defensive minded backup? Ok. But that doesn't mean Powell is crap.

Plus...blowing it all up might be good for long term...but next year would be all about getting the pieces to gel again. It takes time to build team chemistry.

Barnes is an offensive black hole. He is Mr. ISO who fearlessly drives into 3+ defenders in the paint without a second thought to passing out. As for Powell, he's an overexhuberant empty stats guy who is a poor finisher and poor defender. Yes, he can finish lobs, but he needs to be able to do so much more than that, especially at his ridiculous salary. Oh yeah, he also spends about 20% of his time picking himself up off the court. :-O

thewizard · 01-31-2019, 04:13 PM

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Sources: All-Star Kristaps Porzingis is planning to inform the Dallas Mavericks his intent is to sign the qualifying offer in restricted free agency this summer.

Wait a second. Why is he taking the qualified offer? Wouldn't we want to just lock him down with an extension?

Melonhead · 01-31-2019, 04:14 PM

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Shams Charania
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Sources: All-Star Kristaps Porzingis is planning to inform the Dallas Mavericks his intent is to sign the qualifying offer in restricted free agency this summer.

Wait a second. Why is he taking the qualified offer? Wouldn't we want to just lock him down with an extension?

Damn we getting fleeced?

EricaLubarsky · 01-31-2019, 04:15 PM

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Shams Charania
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Sources: All-Star Kristaps Porzingis is planning to inform the Dallas Mavericks his intent is to sign the qualifying offer in restricted free agency this summer.

Wait a second. Why is he taking the qualified offer? Wouldn't we want to just lock him down with an extension?

He only has three options
1) Sign the QO, become an RFA
2) Not sign the QO, become a UFA
3) Sign an extension

If we haven't talked about an extension, which we may be silly to do yet, then signing the QO is the better option.

Some Guy · 01-31-2019, 11:00 PM

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He only has three options
1) Sign the QO, become an RFA
2) Not sign the QO, become a UFA
3) Sign an extension

If we haven't talked about an extension, which we may be silly to do yet, then signing the QO is the better option.

I don't think those are correct.
If he signs the QO, he stops being any kind of free agent (he'll be signed to a contract).
#2 is not an option for him, otherwise everyone would do it.
And his chance to sign an extension is passed.

He will be a RFA when his contract ends this summer, unless Dallas decides not to make the QO.

Then he can sign a contract with someone (which Dallas could match) or he can sign the QO and become a UFA the following year.

I would think signing him to a long term contract would be the preferred option - otherwise you risk losing him next year.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-31-2019, 04:16 PM

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Shams Charania
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Sources: All-Star Kristaps Porzingis is planning to inform the Dallas Mavericks his intent is to sign the qualifying offer in restricted free agency this summer.

Wait a second. Why is he taking the qualified offer? Wouldn't we want to just lock him down with an extension?

Good news is if he isn't healthy, then you won't be locked in it. But indeed that is a bit strange.

EricaLubarsky · 01-31-2019, 04:19 PM

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Good news is if he isn't healthy, then you won't be locked in it. But indeed that is a bit strange.

We'd be silly to offer him an extension before playing a game.

QO locks him up for AT LEAST one more year. IF another team offers him anything, we match and lock him in to a longer deal.

Honestly QO is the best.

1) If someone offers him money, we can match and it may actually save us money.
2) If no one offers, we can work on an extension all next year.

Wang Zhi Zhi · 01-31-2019, 04:14 PM

OK, so what is NY's play with this? Just getting something before KP bolts this summer as a FA? Not sold KP will recover from the injury?

And is KP a complete unrestricted FA this summer, and do we get any early-Bird rights or anything like that? Trying to figure out why we just wait until the summer to go after him

EricaLubarsky · 01-31-2019, 04:17 PM

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OK, so what is NY's play with this? Just getting something before KP bolts this summer as a FA? Not sold KP will recover from the injury?

And is KP a complete unrestricted FA this summer, and do we get any early-Bird rights or anything like that? Trying to figure out why we just wait until the summer to go after him

He's an RFA this summer, not a UFA. He will get the QO and return next year. If another team gives him a huge offer, we match and it's basically an extension.

We also get full bird rights because his three years of service comes with him. We can sign him up to the max (supermax?)

BigDog63 · 02-03-2019, 09:30 AM

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OK, so what is NY's play with this? Just getting something before KP bolts this summer as a FA? Not sold KP will recover from the injury?

They get lots of cap space, enough to sign 2 max contract players. TWO being the key, I think...because why would ONE want to join this team?

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And is KP a complete unrestricted FA this summer, and do we get any early-Bird rights or anything like that? Trying to figure out why we just wait until the summer to go after him

He is a RFA this summer, I believe.

Why wait, when we can unload 2 contracts we wanted to unload? And weren't likely to resign DJ. Jordan has been a great rebounder, and fine with lobs on offense...but I got the impression Mavs were looking for more.

I AM concerned about the rebounding gap this trade leaves Mavs in...and not sure a Barnes replacement fixes that (without taking too much scoring away). What great rebounding/defensive/3 shooting PF is everyone thinking they can get?

On the other hand, I strongly believe rebounding is more want to/coaching than anything else. If you can play in the NBA, you can rebound the basketball, especially on defense. So maybe simple coaching is the real fix here.

This is one thing Don Nelson used to say that just drove me crazy: "we don't have good rebounders". BS. You didn't COACH good rebounding. If everyone blocks out effectively, how do you not get most defensive rebounds? Does it take a tremendous amount of physical ability to block out? No, it does not. It just takes want to and coaching.