06-17-2009, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dirno2000
Well, he signed for less than Igudola, Okafor and Deng. It looks like he gave Atlanta a hometown discount and part of that discount goes away if he's traded.
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Actually, the Grizzlies signed him to an offer sheet that Atlanta matched. I just think his character issues and low basketball IQ contributed to the smaller deal.
And yeah, the deal looks even worse when you tack on an extra $1.5-2M per....
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06-17-2009, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by spreedom
Actually, the Grizzlies signed him to an offer sheet that Atlanta matched. I just think his character issues and low basketball IQ contributed to the smaller deal.
And yeah, the deal looks even worse when you tack on an extra $1.5-2M per....
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That's right, I forgot about that. It may have been put in by Memphis go dissuade Atlanta from matching..
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06-17-2009, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dirno2000
That's right, I forgot about that. It may have been put in by Memphis go dissuade Atlanta from matching..
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I'm sure it was. Man, he really made out like a bandit, didn't he?
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06-18-2009, 02:24 AM
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Stack/Bass(S&T)/Cash to Atlanta Hawks for Josh Smith? Trade Josh Howard and Cash to Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala? Trade Damp/Wright/Carroll/Cash to Phoenix Suns for Shaq? Re-sign Kidd? Use full MLE on Shawn Marion? Dirk as maybe the 2nd or 3rd scoring option possibly gives the Dallas Mavericks a better chance at winning the championship (Orlando got to the finals with 1st Scorer Dwight Howard, 2nd Scorer Rashard Lewis, and 3rd scorer Hedo Turkoglu). The Mavericks will thus have 1st scorer in Shaq, 2nd scorer in Andre Iguodala, and 3rd scorer in Dirk Nowitzki. If you want Kidd to stay and Dirk not leave this franchise because he's tired of losing after next season, make this happen Cuban and Donnie. It's time to right this ship.
Roster:
Kidd?/Andre Iguodala?/Josh Smith?/Dirk/Shaq?
Barea/Jet/Singleton/Shawn Marion?/Hollins
Shan Foster/(Ty Lawson?/Johnny Flynn?/Eric Maynor?/Patrick Mills?/Rodrigue Beaubois?)
(Bring back Reyshawn Terry?)/(Buy a 2nd Rd Pick and possibly get Syracuse Paul Harris?)/SWilliams
Last edited by eyedentifyme; 06-18-2009 at 02:56 AM.
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06-18-2009, 03:37 AM
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shaq and ai are going to score more than dirk?
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06-18-2009, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by eyedentifyme
Stack/Bass(S&T)/Cash to Atlanta Hawks for Josh Smith? Trade Josh Howard and Cash to Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala? Trade Damp/Wright/Carroll/Cash to Phoenix Suns for Shaq? Re-sign Kidd? Use full MLE on Shawn Marion? Dirk as maybe the 2nd or 3rd scoring option possibly gives the Dallas Mavericks a better chance at winning the championship (Orlando got to the finals with 1st Scorer Dwight Howard, 2nd Scorer Rashard Lewis, and 3rd scorer Hedo Turkoglu). The Mavericks will thus have 1st scorer in Shaq, 2nd scorer in Andre Iguodala, and 3rd scorer in Dirk Nowitzki. If you want Kidd to stay and Dirk not leave this franchise because he's tired of losing after next season, make this happen Cuban and Donnie. It's time to right this ship.
Roster:
Kidd?/Andre Iguodala?/Josh Smith?/Dirk/Shaq?
Barea/Jet/Singleton/Shawn Marion?/Hollins
Shan Foster/(Ty Lawson?/Johnny Flynn?/Eric Maynor?/Patrick Mills?/Rodrigue Beaubois?)
(Bring back Reyshawn Terry?)/(Buy a 2nd Rd Pick and possibly get Syracuse Paul Harris?)/SWilliams
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Not that much of this post makes a lot of sense to me but the part in bold gave me a headache a lil bit.
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06-18-2009, 11:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eyedentifyme
Dirk as maybe the 2nd or 3rd scoring option possibly gives the Dallas Mavericks a better chance at winning the championship (Orlando got to the finals with 1st Scorer Dwight Howard, 2nd Scorer Rashard Lewis, and 3rd scorer Hedo Turkoglu). The Mavericks will thus have 1st scorer in Shaq, 2nd scorer in Andre Iguodala, and 3rd scorer in Dirk Nowitzki.
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Dirk - 26.8 PPG
Shaq - 17.8 PPG
Iguodala - 21.5 PPG
Scoreboard.
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06-18-2009, 12:14 PM
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lol
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06-18-2009, 12:26 PM
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Dirk will still get his points. It just means that other people need to be double teamed as well. With less attention on him at the offensive end it means better/easier shots from the drive in and dish out from AI or the post up and dish out from Shaq.
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06-18-2009, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by eyedentifyme
Dirk will still get his points. It just means that other people need to be double teamed as well. With less attention on him at the offensive end it means better/easier shots from the drive in and dish out from AI or the post up and dish out from Shaq.
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yes but why can't he still be the #1 option?? He can still be #1 and have shaq and iggy attract attention and take pressure off as the #2 and #3 options. No need to demote dirk in favor of two far less efficient offensive players.
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06-19-2009, 02:18 PM
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Alright, I get your point. But in the 4th quarter of close games or close games in the playoffs, do you want your go to guy to jack up jump shots, or should your go to guy score in the paint or slash to the hole? You still win a lot of games, but it won't win you a championship.
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06-19-2009, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by walter
yes but why can't he still be the #1 option?? He can still be #1 and have shaq and iggy attract attention and take pressure off as the #2 and #3 options. No need to demote dirk in favor of two far less efficient offensive players.
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Originally Posted by eyedentifyme
Alright, I get your point. But in the 4th quarter of close games or close games in the playoffs, do you want your go to guy to jack up jump shots, or should your go to guy score in the paint or slash to the hole? You still win a lot of games, but it won't win you a championship.
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Good point...
Dirk is still the #1 option...
Scoreboard.
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06-19-2009, 04:07 PM
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Damnit i wanna see that pic.
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06-19-2009, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by eyedentifyme
Alright, I get your point. But in the 4th quarter of close games or close games in the playoffs, do you want your go to guy to jack up jump shots, or should your go to guy score in the paint or slash to the hole? You still win a lot of games, but it won't win you a championship.
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It may not be ideal, but Dirk's midrange fall away is money damn near every time. I'd trust him to hit those shots. Dirk is good for 25 almost every night with pretty high efficiency, and if he had 2 other legit, consistent scorers to take some of the defense's attention off him? Well I think he'd be great as the #1 go to scorer.
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06-20-2009, 01:23 AM
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With Philly trying to move Brand, I think Iguodala is definitely off the table. However, there is one guy on their roster from last year that we may have to take a look at. If Kidd does not re-sign with Dallas and bolts to greener pastures, we should definitely be interested in Andre Miller. I don't know what his market value is going to be this summer, but with the influx of young PG's coming into the league via draft--his stock may be hurting a little bit.
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06-20-2009, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMaverick
With Philly trying to move Brand, I think Iguodala is definitely off the table. However, there is one guy on their roster from last year that we may have to take a look at. If Kidd does not re-sign with Dallas and bolts to greener pastures, we should definitely be interested in Andre Miller. I don't know what his market value is going to be this summer, but with the influx of young PG's coming into the league via draft--his stock may be hurting a little bit.
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If Philly is just trying to dump Brand for $$$$ purposes, offer Damp straight up for him. It works on RealGm. They save serious $$$$.
Brand is your inside post guy and a pretty darn good shot blocker as well. Not ideal because of height, but neither was Moses Malone, but he was a player for sure.
Dang, if you could actually get this one done, trading for a Chandler, Sheed, Camby, Kaman etc or even a less C that just played awesome D would be enough because you could always have a scoring BIG on the court.
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06-20-2009, 08:43 PM
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They already have Damp. Dampelembert.
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06-21-2009, 12:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eyedentifyme
Stack/Bass(S&T)/Cash to Atlanta Hawks for Josh Smith? Trade Josh Howard and Cash to Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala? Trade Damp/Wright/Carroll/Cash to Phoenix Suns for Shaq? Re-sign Kidd? Use full MLE on Shawn Marion? Dirk as maybe the 2nd or 3rd scoring option possibly gives the Dallas Mavericks a better chance at winning the championship (Orlando got to the finals with 1st Scorer Dwight Howard, 2nd Scorer Rashard Lewis, and 3rd scorer Hedo Turkoglu). The Mavericks will thus have 1st scorer in Shaq, 2nd scorer in Andre Iguodala, and 3rd scorer in Dirk Nowitzki. If you want Kidd to stay and Dirk not leave this franchise because he's tired of losing after next season, make this happen Cuban and Donnie. It's time to right this ship.
Roster:
Kidd?/Andre Iguodala?/Josh Smith?/Dirk/Shaq?
Barea/Jet/Singleton/Shawn Marion?/Hollins
Shan Foster/(Ty Lawson?/Johnny Flynn?/Eric Maynor?/Patrick Mills?/Rodrigue Beaubois?)
(Bring back Reyshawn Terry?)/(Buy a 2nd Rd Pick and possibly get Syracuse Paul Harris?)/SWilliams
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That is a big pipe you are smoking
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