The Mavs need a slasher sg/sf more than anything - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

mavs777 · 04-13-2009, 01:48 AM

It is quite obvious that the team shoots waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many jumpers, it is clearly missing a guy 6-6 to 6-9 that can take it off the dribble to create havoc, dish or finish. Future more I would see no problem if they did this by trading JT or Josh.

Here are some guys I would want the FO to contact about their availability:

Gerald Wallace
Kelenna Azubuike
Francisco Garcia
Matt Barnes
Chris Douglas-Roberts (probably not available though)
Andray Blatche

agree disagree???? other names?

Thomas86 · 04-13-2009, 01:57 AM

What about Richard Jefferson?...he's everything your looking for and more, Matt Barnes can be had for the vet-min and that's all the Mavs should offer him and I would be mad if the Mavs got Grant Hill because he's playing great, does anybody know if we have our Bi-annual exception this offseason?

mavs777 · 04-13-2009, 02:35 AM

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What about Richard Jefferson?...he's everything your looking for and more, Matt Barnes can be had for the vet-min and that's all the Mavs should offer him and I would be mad if the Mavs got Grant Hill because he's playing great, does anybody know if we have our Bi-annual exception this offseason?

Thought about it, but the team is aging and his numbers are declining, the mavs need some young player that will stick around Dirk and JT won't be scoring around 20+ forever. Richardson shot 43 % this season his low since 2004=2005 season, but he did get to the line 500 times, I wouldn't be totally against Richardson but I think the team outta get a younger player right now.

Mavsfan4ever · 04-13-2009, 05:41 AM

I agree with this but I think it has to be a younger player who can help carry the team.

MX425 · 04-13-2009, 08:36 AM

I think one of the most important things the team can do in this offseason isn't just find a trade that brings us a star but not blow the MLE like has been the norm for the past few years.

ty · 04-13-2009, 09:30 AM

This thread = duh.

vashjan · 04-13-2009, 10:20 AM

How about a trade for Joe Johnson of Atlanta.....he has an expiring contract. Stackhouse + Damp will do it..

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Originally Posted by mavs777

It is quite obvious that the team shoots waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many jumpers, it is clearly missing a guy 6-6 to 6-9 that can take it off the dribble to create havoc, dish or finish. Future more I would see no problem if they did this by trading JT or Josh.

Here are some guys I would want the FO to contact about their availability:

Gerald Wallace
Kelenna Azubuike
Francisco Garcia
Matt Barnes
Chris Douglas-Roberts (probably not available though)
Andray Blatche

agree disagree???? other names?

Zki41 · 04-13-2009, 11:01 AM

And then who is our center?

dalmations202 · 04-13-2009, 11:03 AM

Just a FYI.........

Andray Blatche?

* Andray Blatche
* #32
* Center

6'11" - avg 10ppg and 5.3 rpg.

He is not a slasher SG/SF. I am not sure he would start over Damp or Hollins, but maybe he would.

DirkFTW · 04-13-2009, 11:29 AM

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And then who is our center?

SMC0007 · 04-13-2009, 02:08 PM

Andre Blatche....

Why not get Mbenga back. He can slash and is developing into quite the SG.

mavs777 · 04-13-2009, 02:35 PM

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I agree with this but I think it has to be a younger player who can help carry the team.

Gerald Wallace can do that IMO

mavs777 · 04-13-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vashjan

How about a trade for Joe Johnson of Atlanta.....he has an expiring contract. Stackhouse + Damp will do it..

idk if he is available but if he is no sh!t Mavs should go after him

nikeball · 04-13-2009, 02:50 PM

bobatundi · 04-13-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by vashjan

How about a trade for Joe Johnson of Atlanta.....he has an expiring contract. Stackhouse + Damp will do it..

The Mavs won't be acquiring expiring contracts, they'll be trading expiring contracts for long-term contracts. With the big free agent class in 2010, pending labor strife, and a weak economy, expirings should have HUGE value this offseason.

sefant77 · 04-14-2009, 12:28 AM

Well, main fact is we need an additional above average scorer beside Dirk/Jet/Josh since we are having Kidd and energy player like Wright and Singleton that cant score a crap...

Sure, slashing is also a main concern for us but if its in the end a wing (Redd/Jefferson/Jrich) or a Center (Kaman, Shaq) doesnt matter.

Main fact is to get such an addition.

Lor20 · 04-15-2009, 07:02 AM

to be a contender we'd need
a) a post presence center (shaq would do nicely in dallas for a year)
b) a weak side shooter who plays good D (not sure who I'd want - doesn't even have to be a star player)
c) a healthy roster otherwise

Justin Credible · 04-15-2009, 07:27 AM

Well, we already have one person on our team that came here known as a slasher (Green), but his basketball IQ is very low to say the least. He's a project that could eventually be everything that we need and I highly doubt that he will get released/traded this offseason.

I think that we are moreso in a position to be scouting a solid PG rather than a slasher/scorer. Yes we definitely need someone to stop with the 100 jumpers to every 1 slash to the paint, but a slasher is nothing without a PG to feed him.

I still stand by the fact that Chris Bosh is the ultimate answer for us on the scoring end and then we'll need to resign kidd and try to get Devin Harris back so Devin can learn from Kidd for a season as a bench PG. The possibilities of that happening? About 2 shots under never-a-chance-in-hell.. But isn't the point of this thread the "What-ifs?"

Nowitzki4President · 05-01-2009, 11:44 AM

Marion and Artest are Free Agents this summer. Either of them would fill this role nicely, especially Artest's beastly D.

alby · 05-01-2009, 03:22 PM

Trust me, if we can get Artest for the MLE. Re-sign Kidd. We are going to be the team to watch next year IMHO.

dalmations202 · 05-01-2009, 04:27 PM

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Trust me, if we can get Artest for the MLE. Re-sign Kidd. We are going to be the team to watch next year IMHO.

I still think they need to move Stack and possibly Damp for an upgrade at Center as well.

Shaq, Kaman, Camby, Chandler, Rasheed, etc could all be targets to catch lobs from Kidd, and still D up. Rasheed could actually add some range on offense to the position as well.

Artest for the MLE and Kidd resigned would step the Mavs up one notch, I just think they need to go at least two notches to win in the finals.

If Rasheed would take the MLE, would Houston do a SNT with Artest/Bass and Stack where they could just cut Stack, keep Bass, and let Artest go to us? Artest would make more money and Houston would get Bass.

Dallas would have Dirk/Rasheed/Damp/Hollins -- that would be sweet. With JHo and Artest at the swing.

mavs777 · 05-01-2009, 08:38 PM

I would prefer the team stay away from Rasheed, I think he could screw the chemistry up.

ghazi · 05-01-2009, 10:50 PM

Just say no to Chandler

Kaman is a little mediocre too IMO

Thespiralgoeson · 05-02-2009, 05:29 AM

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Just say no to Chandler

Kaman is a little mediocre too IMO

Chandler's great when he's healthy. Problem is that isn't very often. And I'm not sure how you can call Kaman mediocre. He's a clear upgrade over Damp.

Mao · 05-22-2009, 10:59 AM

Does somebody know what has happened to Shawn Williams, who has only showed in a few games after he was traded to the Mavs, and then disappeared.

mav_love · 05-23-2009, 01:17 PM

i will spend my summer daydreaming of Shawn Williams emerging as our Tayshaun/Ariza in the starting 5 with kidd, josh, dirk, and damp. this possibility is as likely as an 'impact' FA signing or trade. really.

MaVs 41 BaLler · 05-23-2009, 03:52 PM

OMG, GERALD WALLACE IS A BEAST IN NBA 2K9 ALONG WITH KIDD.

Robillion · 05-23-2009, 05:11 PM

I want Gerald Wallace, B Davis, and Kaman here like no other... pleeeeease

Seriously though, that would be amazing. I also like the idea of Artest coming here a lot, but Id rather have G Wallace.

cinemablend · 05-29-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

It is quite obvious that the team shoots waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many jumpers,

Then isn't a better way to solve that problem to get a center who can actually score?

Because Kidd gets in the pain all the time, imagine if he had a center to dump the ball off to.

DubOverdose · 05-30-2009, 07:30 AM

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Does somebody know what has happened to Shawn Williams, who has only showed in a few games after he was traded to the Mavs, and then disappeared.

I think he had some personal stuff that came up. I don't remember even seeing him by the bench for half of the season.

wilmtalk · 05-31-2009, 09:07 PM

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Then isn't a better way to solve that problem to get a center who can actually score?

Because Kidd gets in the pain all the time, imagine if he had a center to dump the ball off to.

If Kidd gets in the paint it must be by transporter because it sure isn't off the dribble. Have you even watched the Games since Kidd has been here or are you remembering Kidd from when he was here earlier? All he does now is shoot jumpers.

mavs777 · 06-01-2009, 01:01 PM

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If Kidd gets in the paint it must be by transporter because it sure isn't off the dribble. Have you even watched the Games since Kidd has been here or are you remembering Kidd from when he was here earlier? All he does now is shoot jumpers.

or average 9 assists

cinemablend · 06-02-2009, 03:26 AM

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If Kidd gets in the paint it must be by transporter because it sure isn't off the dribble. Have you even watched the Games since Kidd has been here or are you remembering Kidd from when he was here earlier? All he does now is shoot jumpers.

Have you watched the games?

He gets in the paint all the time. The reason you may not have noticed is because he never actually SCORES in the paint. He gets in the paint and immediately passes it to someone standing around on the arc. He does this even when he's all alone in the paint and should be able to make an easy layup.

Sometimes he gets in the paint by backing down other point guards. One big advantage Kidd has over other PGs is size, and it gives him the ability to back down other point guards and basically force them in the paint at will. The problem with this is that once he's in the paint, he can't score so it's all but useless. Sometimes he gets in the paint simply because he's smart and knows how to get open and out think other players too. Bottom line, he gets in the paint, he just doesn't score in the paint.

Every now you'll see him get in the paint and dump it off to Dampier. Normally, on a team with a center who doesn't have hands made of stone, this would be a brilliant move which would help offset his inability to make a layup. Unfortunately Dampier just drops it and Kidd remembers "oh yeah I'm playing with Dampier" and gives up.

What I'm getting at here is that we have a playmaker at PG. We need players around him who can actually finish when he sets up a great play for them. While a SG who can create his own shot and slash to the basket would be nice, I don't think it's nearly as critical as having a center who can finish, especially if you're going to keep Kidd.

And let's face it, the Mavs have had good SG's before. They've pretty much never had a good center, and the reason they never have one is that every time they should get one they listen to people who say exactly what you're saying... and so the Mavs continue never ever to have a center.

Hey, let's try getting a Center for once!

TheMaverick · 06-02-2009, 10:05 AM

winner

craggmac · 06-03-2009, 09:07 AM

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I still think they need to move Stack and possibly Damp for an upgrade at Center as well.

Shaq, Kaman, Camby, Chandler, Rasheed, etc could all be targets to catch lobs from Kidd, and still D up. Rasheed could actually add some range on offense to the position as well.

Artest for the MLE and Kidd resigned would step the Mavs up one notch, I just think they need to go at least two notches to win in the finals.

If Rasheed would take the MLE, would Houston do a SNT with Artest/Bass and Stack where they could just cut Stack, keep Bass, and let Artest go to us? Artest would make more money and Houston would get Bass.

Dallas would have Dirk/Rasheed/Damp/Hollins -- that would be sweet. With JHo and Artest at the swing.

I couldn't agree more!

craggmac · 06-03-2009, 09:15 AM

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Have you watched the games?

He gets in the paint all the time. The reason you may not have noticed is because he never actually SCORES in the paint. He gets in the paint and immediately passes it to someone standing around on the arc. He does this even when he's all alone in the paint and should be able to make an easy layup.

Sometimes he gets in the paint by backing down other point guards. One big advantage Kidd has over other PGs is size, and it gives him the ability to back down other point guards and basically force them in the paint at will. The problem with this is that once he's in the paint, he can't score so it's all but useless. Sometimes he gets in the paint simply because he's smart and knows how to get open and out think other players too. Bottom line, he gets in the paint, he just doesn't score in the paint.

Every now you'll see him get in the paint and dump it off to Dampier. Normally, on a team with a center who doesn't have hands made of stone, this would be a brilliant move which would help offset his inability to make a layup. Unfortunately Dampier just drops it and Kidd remembers "oh yeah I'm playing with Dampier" and gives up.

What I'm getting at here is that we have a playmaker at PG. We need players around him who can actually finish when he sets up a great play for them. While a SG who can create his own shot and slash to the basket would be nice, I don't think it's nearly as critical as having a center who can finish, especially if you're going to keep Kidd.

And let's face it, the Mavs have had good SG's before. They've pretty much never had a good center, and the reason they never have one is that every time they should get one they listen to people who say exactly what you're saying... and so the Mavs continue never ever to have a center.

Hey, let's try getting a Center for once!

Man, I think we're finally starting to all get on the same page here!

Thespiralgoeson · 06-03-2009, 09:30 AM

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Have you watched the games?

He gets in the paint all the time. The reason you may not have noticed is because he never actually SCORES in the paint. He gets in the paint and immediately passes it to someone standing around on the arc. He does this even when he's all alone in the paint and should be able to make an easy layup.

Sometimes he gets in the paint by backing down other point guards. One big advantage Kidd has over other PGs is size, and it gives him the ability to back down other point guards and basically force them in the paint at will. The problem with this is that once he's in the paint, he can't score so it's all but useless. Sometimes he gets in the paint simply because he's smart and knows how to get open and out think other players too. Bottom line, he gets in the paint, he just doesn't score in the paint.

Every now you'll see him get in the paint and dump it off to Dampier. Normally, on a team with a center who doesn't have hands made of stone, this would be a brilliant move which would help offset his inability to make a layup. Unfortunately Dampier just drops it and Kidd remembers "oh yeah I'm playing with Dampier" and gives up.

You're dead wrong on just about everything here. Kidd does NOT get into the paint. The last time Kidd beat his man off the dribble, he was in a Nets' uniform.

It's true that sometimes he posts up, but that is extremely rare, and even when he does, that is not reliable way to initiate the offense. As you say, he can't score, so obviously he never draws a double team.

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And let's face it, the Mavs have had good SG's before. They've pretty much never had a good center, and the reason they never have one is that every time they should get one they listen to people who say exactly what you're saying... and so the Mavs continue never ever to have a center.

Hey, let's try getting a Center for once!

Uh... what? The Mavs haven't had a good shooting guard in what... 5 years? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for getting an upgrade at center, but don't sugarcoat the rest of the problems. The Mavs absolutely DO NOT have a backcourt that's worthy of a championship team.

cinemablend · 06-03-2009, 06:13 PM

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You're dead wrong on just about everything here. Kidd does NOT get into the paint. The last time Kidd beat his man off the dribble, he was in a Nets' uniform.

Where did I say he beats his man off the dribble?

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Uh... what? The Mavs haven't had a good shooting guard in what... 5 years? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for getting an upgrade at center, but don't sugarcoat the rest of the problems. The Mavs absolutely DO NOT have a backcourt that's worthy of a championship team.

The Mavs haven't had a good center in... ever. And I never said they have a backcourt that's worthy of a championship team. However, a backcourt with Jason Terry in it is not that awful. It's certainly better than Erica Dampier at the Center position. I'd rather see Bass start at Center next year if they fail to get a real center.

In fact I said they could definitely use a SG, but I'd rather have a Center and we'll never get a Center because whenever it's time to get a Center people scream for something else.

spreedom · 06-03-2009, 10:18 PM

Kidd actually did a fantastic job distributing out of the high post late in the season. I can recall him finding JET for a lot of wide open corner threes that got buried. We definitely don't utilize his size advantage nearly enough.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-03-2009, 11:24 PM

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Where did I say he beats his man off the dribble?

If a guy can't beat his defender, he doesn't get into the paint. Jason Kidd can't beat his defender. He doesn't get into the paint. Pretty cut and dry.

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However, a backcourt with Jason Terry in it is not that awful.

Yes it is.

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It's certainly better than Erica Dampier at the Center position. I'd rather see Bass start at Center next year if they fail to get a real center.

Wow. I'm trying really hard to respect you as a poster, but you're making it very hard. The "erica" bit is just f*cking stupid. It's not clever. It's not witty. It's not funny. It doesn't illustrate a point. It doesn't add anything to your argument. It's just stupid. It makes you look bad. Second, if you honestly believe that we're better off starting Bass at center, then you are retarded. And I don't mean that in a mockingly insulting, sarcastic way. I mean that in all seriousness. You are literally mentally retarded if you believe that.

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In fact I said they could definitely use a SG, but I'd rather have a Center and we'll never get a Center because whenever it's time to get a Center people scream for something else.

Give me names. I'd love to have a center who can score in the post, but give me names of people who are available and are an actual upgrade over Dampier. If you haven't noticed, the center position is the shallowest in the league. I'll even start you off by narrowing down a bit. Sheed and Chandler don't count. I'll even go ahead and scratch Shaq off that list because he's nowhere near worth what we'd have to give up for him.