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Dnowit41 · 05-06-2009, 06:08 PM

Hinrich would fit great. Defensive minded and a great shooter.

craggmac · 05-07-2009, 04:00 PM

If we had Shaq or Rasheed Wallace, either one, on our roster right now we would but up 2-0 on the Nuggets.

Underdog · 05-07-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by craggmac

If we had Shaq or Rasheed Wallace, either one, on our roster right now we would but up 2-0 on the Nuggets.

I'm inclined to agree...

(maybe not 2-0, but at least 1-1 and no blowout losses...)

Thomas86 · 05-07-2009, 10:16 PM

PG - Jason Kidd/J.J. Barea

SG - Allen Iverson/Jason Terry/Gerald Green

SF - Josh Howard/Antoine Wright/James Singleton

PF - Dirk Nowitzki/Brandon Bass

C - Shaquille O'Neal/Ryan Hollins

MX425 · 05-08-2009, 07:36 AM

No on AI. Name one team other then the 2001 Sixers he has made campionship caliber? and that was 8 years ago. Look how great Denver was before they got rid of him, and Detroit? can you say ballhog and locker room cancer?

With Dirk, a top 10 player in the league we need a SG who can salsh and then hit the shots that are left over but the majority of the shots need to be Dirk's and there doesn't need to be any fight over that.

eyedentifyme · 05-08-2009, 03:12 PM

We don't need AI.

The guy the Mavs need is Charlie Villanueva, he can play small forward when Dirk is on the floor with him at power forward at the defensive end. On the offensive end Villanueva is a beast in the post as the power forward while Dirk becomes the small forward at the offensive end. We should offer the full MLE for Charlie Villanueva if we can't work on a sign and trade for him with Milwaukee. If we do a sign and trade and indeed get him, then we use the full MLE on Ron Artest. We go into the draft and draft an Aaron Brooks clone ala Ty Lawson, Johnny Flynn, or Patrick Mills. Jason Kidd looks exposed with our current team when we play against athletic teams. Kidd needs to be in a situation where all four guys around are scoring athletes to cover up his offensive deficiencies.

Terry/Artest/Villanueva/Dirk/Hollins ?
(Lawson,Flynn,or Mills)/Redd/Jefferson/Singleton/Bass ?
Barea/Green ?
Williams ?

Out goes: Damp/Stack/Howard/Wright/Carroll/Cash/ to Bucks?

Thomas86 · 05-08-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by eyedentifyme

We don't need AI.

The guy the Mavs need is Charlie Villanueva, he can play small forward when Dirk is on the floor with him at power forward at the defensive end. On the offensive end Villanueva is a beast in the post as the power forward while Dirk becomes the small forward at the offensive end. We should offer the full MLE for Charlie Villanueva if we can't work on a sign and trade for him with Milwaukee. If we do a sign and trade and indeed get him, then we use the full MLE on Ron Artest. We go into the draft and draft an Aaron Brooks clone ala Ty Lawson, Johnny Flynn, or Patrick Mills. Jason Kidd looks exposed with our current team when we play against athletic teams. Kidd needs to be in a situation where all four guys around are scoring athletes to cover up his offensive deficiencies.

Terry/Artest/Villanueva/Dirk/Hollins ?
(Lawson,Flynn,or Mills)/Redd/Jefferson/Singleton/Bass ?
Barea/Green ?
Williams ?

Out goes: Damp/Stack/Howard/Wright/Carroll/Cash/ to Bucks?

OK so your trading all Damp/Stack/Howard/Wright/Carroll/Cash for Villanueva?...we don't need another PF we need a SG and a C bad and I mean really bad, I would mind us trying to get Ty Lawson because he reminds me of Jameer Nelson, your trading way to much for Villanueva who James Singelton shut down when the Bucks came to Dallas.

eyedentifyme · 05-08-2009, 09:23 PM

Actually it was Damp/Stack/Howard/Wright/Carroll/Cash for Michael Redd/Richard Jefferson/Charlie Villanueva. We draft Ty Lawson, Johnny Flynn, or Patrick Mills. We still have our full MLE to use for Ron Artest.

tybrock · 05-08-2009, 10:57 PM

Those three are good, but I don't know about further weakening the center spot for them.

Justin Credible · 05-09-2009, 01:28 AM

I wouldn't mind any of the following from the 2009 free agent list:

Mike Bibby
Eddie House
Ben Gordon
Birdman
Nate Robinson (I love this little bastard)
Matt Barnes
Boozer
Mehmet Okur

Or a reasonable trade that brought these 2010 free agents

Chris Bosh <--seriously, I think him on this team would seal the deal
Joe Johnson
Marcus Camby
Rudy Gay (obviously, I mean c'mon now..)
SHAQ (Seriously, at first I was all kinds of against the idea but I think it would be huge for us)
LaMarcus Aldridge

Seriously though, more than anything I'd love to see any of these 3 players come to Dallas:
Chris Bosh, Nate Robinson, Shaq

I think if by some deal with the devil we were able to pull Bosh and Shaq it would almost be instant rings, given that we didn't trade away our whole damn team for them. I'd still love to keep Hollins/Terry/Bass/Green on the bench, but I wouldn't see that being possible to pull both of those trades.

I also think that the mavs in inbetween a rock and a hard place right now. They can pull someone like Shaq and win a quick ring for Dirk, but then they're sacrificing the future. They can pull someone like Bosh but then they're keeping the lack of inside scoring threat.. We're obviously going to need a PG soon (probably at the end of this season), so that really cuts down on the cap space. But if by some grace of God we were able to pull those three players without trading away the rest of the team I think it would be a done deal, the rings would be made before the all-star break.

darkwitzki · 05-09-2009, 02:42 AM

I agree! Cubes get Chris Bosh, Nate Robinson and Shaq!

Dirkgreatness · 05-09-2009, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by darkwitzki

I agree! Cubes get Chris Bosh, Nate Robinson and Shaq!

Uhhh and what happens to Dirk??????

EDIT: Yay, my 2,000th post!

cinemablend · 05-09-2009, 04:31 AM

Yeah I get wanting Bosh OR Shaq. I mean I guess you could always put Bosh at Center. But if you have Bosh, Shaq, and Dirk... then Shaq plays center, Dirk plays PF and Bosh plays???

That makes no sense unless you're getting rid of Dirk. Which would be crazy. Bosh is not better than Dirk.

I love the idea of adding some "bastard" players. This team really needs that. Nate Robinson, Birdman. Hell yes. If you can't get a big name like Shaq or Bosh then adding some sheer attitude to this team could at least help.

Sportstudi · 05-09-2009, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cinemablend

Yeah I get wanting Bosh OR Shaq. I mean I guess you could always put Bosh at Center. But if you have Bosh, Shaq, and Dirk... then Shaq plays center, Dirk plays PF and Bosh plays???

That makes no sense unless you're getting rid of Dirk. Which would be crazy. Bosh is not better than Dirk.

I love the idea of adding some "bastard" players. This team really needs that. Nate Robinson, Birdman. Hell yes. If you can't get a big name like Shaq or Bosh then adding some sheer attitude to this team could at least help.

I agree. Bosh and Shaq doesn't work together, because while having Shaq as Center either Bosh or Dirk would have to play SF. Sorry, but that would be humiliating to watch...

Justin Credible · 05-09-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cinemablend

Yeah I get wanting Bosh OR Shaq. I mean I guess you could always put Bosh at Center. But if you have Bosh, Shaq, and Dirk... then Shaq plays center, Dirk plays PF and Bosh plays???

That makes no sense unless you're getting rid of Dirk. Which would be crazy. Bosh is not better than Dirk.

I love the idea of adding some "bastard" players. This team really needs that. Nate Robinson, Birdman. Hell yes. If you can't get a big name like Shaq or Bosh then adding some sheer attitude to this team could at least help.

I guess that it just made sense to me that, with his abilities, bosh could play Forward (as it is his position). He's basically an amplified version of what Josh Howard was in his all-star season, and J Ho was perfect alongside Dirk.

That's a fantasy starting lineup though..

Nate Robinson
Chris Bosh
Shaq
Dirk
Antoine Wright

Yeah, I put Antoine Wright in there.. I still stand by the fact that he has a hell of a lot of talent and has a lot to offer this team.

mavs777 · 05-10-2009, 01:14 AM

Pipe Dream, smoke it while you can. No way the team gets Shaq and Bosh, rather have Bosh even though his natural position is at the 4 and play him at the 5. Bosh/ Joey Graham for JHO/ JJB/ Singletonor Bass/ first round pick...yes he is that much better than Josh.

Justin Credible · 05-10-2009, 07:10 PM

I don't think that we should trade out Bass and Howard in the same trade, and I sure as hell don't think we should trade Barea without getting another PG. As it stands right now he'll be our only PG next season..

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 05-10-2009, 07:43 PM

Why would anyone good want to come here when we've been screwed more than Bill Clinton.

BGMaverick9 · 05-10-2009, 08:11 PM

I think this is how I'm gonna spend my Sunday night...brainstorming for the summer as a keyboard GM.

ghazi · 05-10-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I think this is how I'm gonna spend my Sunday night...brainstorming for the summer as a keyboard GM.

I keyboard GM'd today as well

Kidd/Carter/Wallace/Dirk/O'Neal
Terry/Jackson/Gortat

Going to WAR with that 8 man rotation baby!

mavs777 · 05-10-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin Credible

I don't think that we should trade out Bass and Howard in the same trade, and I sure as hell don't think we should trade Barea without getting another PG. As it stands right now he'll be our only PG next season..

Can find a pg in free agency easy.

mavs777 · 05-10-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

I keyboard GM'd today as well

Kidd/Carter/Wallace/Dirk/O'Neal
Terry/Jackson/Gortat

Going to WAR with that 8 man rotation baby!

carter??? As in Anthony?

BGMaverick9 · 05-10-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Can find a pg in free agency easy.

In FA sure...but none that we can afford that is better than our #1 FA target for the PG spot.

Justin Credible · 05-11-2009, 01:16 AM

Yeah, that's the problem. They'll have to find a PG that produces without costing an insane amount of money in the process so that they can try to make good on their promise to bring a superstar next to Dirk.

You know who would be a great PG for us? Ah damn, what's his name... the goofy PG that can go up for 40 points in a game and does a pretty good with driving the lane..plays for the Nets..

Underdog · 05-11-2009, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin Credible

You know who would be a great PG for us? Ah damn, what's his name... the goofy PG that can go up for 40 points in a game and does a pretty good with driving the lane..plays for the Nets..

I bet Phoenix would have made the playoffs if Devin Harris was on THIS squad (him & JJB together on the court would be a train wreck...)

Justin Credible · 05-11-2009, 10:30 AM

I'm not one of those that harps on the Kidd trade because I think that it really did prove to be great for our team (having kidd, not the insane trade itself). That being said I think that having Devin Harris here on this team would've changed quite a bit for the better. Faster tempo, another scorer, and Barea could come off the bench and play at the same tempo.

But basically that means nothing now, especially in this thread.

I'd really like to see Nate Robinson here. The guy has heart and toughness, two things that we could use a little more of.

Underdog · 05-11-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin Credible

I'm not one of those that harps on the Kidd trade because I think that it really did prove to be great for our team (having kidd, not the insane trade itself). That being said I think that having Devin Harris here on this team would've changed quite a bit for the better. Faster tempo, another scorer, and Barea could come off the bench and play at the same tempo.

I'll tell you what we'd have with Harris - another loser from the 2006 Finals...

Speaking of which, I want to see 3 out of 4 of these guys gone this summer:

JET
Josh
Damp
Stack

It's time to rid this team of its loser mentality... We need fresh blood that doesn't carry the scars of defeat under the Mavericks banner...

BGMaverick9 · 05-11-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I'll tell you what we'd have with Harris - another loser from the 2006 Finals...

Speaking of which, I want to see 3 out of 4 of these guys gone this summer:

JET
Josh
Damp
Stack

It's time to rid this team of its loser mentality... We need fresh blood that doesn't carry the scars of defeat under the Mavericks banner...

Remember what I said, "the final run"

I'm saving my thoughts for the Offseason thread I will make.

Hopefully it doesn't need to be created tonight!

mavs777 · 05-11-2009, 03:43 PM

Howard is not a loser, he actually cares as was evident in game 3, I wouldn't be against trading him or Jet but it is clear the team will lose a lot if they trade 1 of those 2 they bring a lot to the table

Underdog · 05-11-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Howard is not a loser, he actually cares as was evident in game 3, I wouldn't be against trading him or Jet but it is clear the team will lose a lot if they trade 1 of those 2 they bring a lot to the table

Game 3 ain't got sh!t on the last 3 seasons - Josh Howard is a loser...

SMC0007 · 05-11-2009, 07:29 PM

Josh, Jet, Damp, Kidd in that order. Move em along.

I look forward to our upcoming moves. Not sure I expect great ones but I do expect something.

MX425 · 05-11-2009, 09:18 PM

I agree with all but Terry. I think he brings us a little swagger.

Underdog · 05-11-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MX425

I agree with all but Terry. I think he brings us a little swagger.

His 6th Man award also brings us higher trade value...

(because I don't give a damn about regular season awards - JET has been a non-factor in the playoffs since 2006...)

Dirkgreatness · 05-11-2009, 09:58 PM

2 guys i really want and i don't think are impossible to get are Caron Butler or Michael Redd.

BGMaverick9 · 05-11-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

His 6th Man award also brings us higher trade value...

(because I don't give a damn about regular season awards - JET has been a non-factor in the playoffs since 2006...)

It might bring some value but his contract isn't going to do that value any favors. Most teams are only thinking about 1-2 years down the road with contracts and his goes past that thought process.

I really don't see it with him...they'll probably try, but I don't think anyone bites.

Underdog · 05-11-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

It might bring some value but his contract isn't going to do that value any favors. Most teams are only thinking about 1-2 years down the road with contracts and his goes past that thought process.

I really don't see it with him...they'll probably try, but I don't think anyone bites.

That's fine with me though - out of JET, Josh, Damp & Stack, I'd prefer to keep JET...

Just reiterating the point that the core of this team's psyche is still fractured from the 2006 playoffs so it's time to break the core apart...

BGMaverick9 · 05-11-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

That's fine with me though - out of JET, Josh, Damp & Stack, I'd prefer to keep JET...

Just reiterating the point that the core of this team's psyche is still fractured from the 2006 playoffs so it's time to break the core apart...

Yup...I think 2 of those 4 are gone for sure...3 will be the interesting number.

mpb319 · 05-12-2009, 05:48 AM

We need to realize that this team has flaws. We have seen them all season long.
One thing that has improved is the fight in the Mavs. They are fighting now and not surrendering.
It is not time to blow the team up by trading the 2nd and 3rd best scorers on the team.
Josh Howard's trade value will be better than last off-season but not by much. He will be coming off of ankle surgery and we will not get a comparable return for his talents.
JET is coming off winning the 6th man award but he would really only be of value to a good team who is missing a bench shooter from winning a title and a team like that does not give up a good player in return, so we would doubtfully get better from moving either player.
Damp and Stack as a package could maybe bring a player if we move before Stack's $$$ goes down. If we are not able to get a Gasol like deal then Damp should not be moved. He does what he does. Plays tough post D, rebounds on both ends, and sets some mean picks. Could he score more? Yeah, but do you want to take shots from Dirk?
If we are unable to get a clear upgrade then we need to then look for a complementary piece. Damp has trouble with athletic mobile big guys...ok? So we would need to try to acquire an athletic mobile 6'10 big man to pair with Dirk. Bass is just too short to be that effective for long stretches.
Antonio McDyess would be a target for me. Better offensively and not a slouch on D.

Thomas86 · 05-12-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

That's fine with me though - out of JET, Josh, Damp & Stack, I'd prefer to keep JET...

Just reiterating the point that the core of this team's psyche is still fractured from the 2006 playoffs so it's time to break the core apart...

why are you keep leaving Dirk out of the core?...he hasn't been the same since either, I know Dirk is playing good right now but the 2006 Dirk would make the Dirk we see now look like a joke, Dirk is apart of the core just like Damp, Terry, and Josh....lets say the Lakers "where to offer" Kobe for Dirk again would you do it?

Underdog · 05-12-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

why are you keep leaving Dirk out of the core?...he hasn't been the same since either, I know Dirk is playing good right now but the 2006 Dirk would make the Dirk we see now look like a joke, Dirk is apart of the core just like Damp, Terry, and Josh....lets say the Lakers "where to offer" Kobe for Dirk again would you do it?

If the offer is Kobe? Sure...

Otherwise I don't see any reason to include Dirk's name in this conversation...

I still think each player is still great individually, but they've been together for 4 years now... I'd imagine not having to look at the same faces you've lost with over & over again would be the kind of change that could re-inject life into an NBA player's career (see Devin Harris for reference...)