Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread - Page 3 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

EricaLubarsky · 04-07-2023, 12:19 PM

Bulls would have to beat Toronto (who they are 1-2 against), then either Heat (3-0) or the Hawks (2-2) all in a one game series for us to get bumped up one draft position.

I really wouldn't bet on it.

If you want us to get to the play-in to test our mettle and give the pick in a weak draft to NY, then we just gotta sweep the last two

If you want us to get a good pick in this draft with not many stars, but tons of good two-way guys, then you absolutely have to lose one or both of these games and pray something good happens.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-07-2023, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Bulls would have to beat Toronto (who they are 1-2 against), then either Heat (3-0) or the Hawks (2-2) all in a one game series for us to get bumped up one draft position.

I really wouldn't bet on it.

If you want us to get to the play-in to test our mettle and give the pick in a weak draft to NY, then we just gotta sweep the last two

If you want us to get a good pick in this draft with not many stars, but tons of good two-way guys, then you absolutely have to lose one or both of these games and pray something good happens.

Looks like they are going for the pick....

Kyrie Irving (right foot injury recovery), Josh Green (rest), Tim Hardaway Jr. (left ankle soreness), Maxi Kleber (right hamstring injury recovery) and Christian Wood (rest) will all miss tonight?s game against the Bulls.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-07-2023, 12:49 PM

Which begs the question....why on earth did you play them all vs the Kings then?

This FO just doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

BPo001 · 04-07-2023, 01:10 PM

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Which begs the question....why on earth did you play them all vs the Kings then?

This FO just doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

I thought the same thing. Why did you fight to win that game to rest everyone in a must win game if you?re trying to make the playoffs?

Luka just going to come out firing and try to get the scoring title?

purplefrog · 04-07-2023, 01:16 PM

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Which begs the question....why on earth did you play them all vs the Kings then?

This FO just doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

I think FO was hoping for the Jazz to defeat the Thunder last night. When OKC won the probability to make the play-in dropped. Just a guess.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-07-2023, 01:29 PM

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I think FO was hoping for the Jazz to defeat the Thunder last night. When OKC won the probability to make the play-in dropped. Just a guess.

No that's at least rational.

I guess Luka is only playing tonight because it's Slovenia night. Funny, because I took my friend to his first Mavs game last year on Slovenia night and Luka didn't play. He had partied at the Mavs ball the night before...

tap2390 · 04-07-2023, 01:52 PM

Please for the love of God tank. Especially if we're keeping Kyrie. That sounds counterintuitive so let me explain. We may not have a pick like this ever again in the Luka era.

1) We need to bring in someone with a high natural talent level either in the draft or in a trade.

2) The value of a 2023 top-10 pick is higher than a hypothetical 2025 pick.

3) If we expect to keep Kyrie having a high level talent on a rookie contract could make all the difference.

Tank Tank Tank Tank Tank

mac222b · 04-07-2023, 04:59 PM

Tank please. For the love of God.

Haha just realized you wrote the same thing above ☝️

EricaLubarsky · 04-07-2023, 05:32 PM

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Tank please. For the love of God.

Haha just realized you wrote the same thing above ☝️

I?ll third it

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-07-2023, 05:45 PM

I also think they are doing it so they aren't in a position for the Grizzlies to purposely lose to the Thunder. Avoiding the extra embarrassment of this horrid season.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-07-2023, 05:46 PM

Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon
Sources: Luka Doncic will sit out after the first quarter tonight vs. the Bulls.

Five key Mavs, including Kyrie Irving, were ruled out this morning.

EricaLubarsky · 04-07-2023, 06:12 PM

Watch Harry drops 50 in the win

SMC0007 · 04-07-2023, 06:26 PM

It will be entertaining to see who is fake rooting foe their teammates during the game. If I'm coach and they can't play, I'm telling them to stay the fvck home. If I'm a kwy player and coach says "yall are injured" then it would definitely get heated in the locker room. I imagine it's been awkward as hell behind the scenes. I'm dying to know what has transpired since Kyrie, Luka Thj and Kidd met after the Sacramento game.

FreshJive · 04-07-2023, 07:05 PM

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It will be entertaining to see who is fake rooting foe their teammates during the game. If I'm coach and they can't play, I'm telling them to stay the fvck home. If I'm a kwy player and coach says "yall are injured" then it would definitely get heated in the locker room. I imagine it's been awkward as hell behind the scenes. I'm dying to know what has transpired since Kyrie, Luka Thj and Kidd met after the Sacramento game.

For all we know, Kyrie may be watching what Mavs management does in this situation, to decide what he wants to do next season. He may look negatively on a team that is starved for assets punting a draft pick for a small sliver of a chance at a play in game.

SMC0007 · 04-07-2023, 07:16 PM

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For all we know, Kyrie may be watching what Mavs management does in this situation, to decide what he wants to do next season. He may look negatively on a team that is starved for assets punting a draft pick for a small sliver of a chance at a play in game.

You really think Kyrie has that on his mind? I don't. He went balls to the wall just 2 days ago to try and win out. The e-brake tank to get that pick is just as small of a sliver as it is in the play in. We had a chance to tank properly and instead FO does this. Lolol. Then let's Kidd go out and do everything to potentially get it taken away.

tap2390 · 04-07-2023, 07:20 PM

This is the right thing to do. Luka & Kyrie will be fine. In fact, I bet they both want this season to be over. Both had a lot going on this year. Pack in it and let's run it back next season with renewed stars and younger, better, hungrier roster.

FreshJive · 04-07-2023, 07:30 PM

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You really think Kyrie has that on his mind? I don't. He went balls to the wall just 2 days ago to try and win out. The e-brake tank to get that pick is just as small of a sliver as it is in the play in. We had a chance to tank properly and instead FO does this. Lolol. Then let's Kidd go out and do everything to potentially get it taken away.

We don?t know, but if he ever had any thought of staying here, maybe. I wanted to tank once they lost the back to back Charlotte games. If they wanted to compete for the playoffs, they should have done it there.

SMC0007 · 04-07-2023, 07:38 PM

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We don?t know, but if he ever had any thought of staying here, maybe. I wanted to tank once they lost the back to back Charlotte games. If they wanted to compete for the playoffs, they should have done it there.

Players want to win. Period. Kyrie hasn't been here long enough to be making decisions based on whether or not we give that pick up for a chance to compete. I find it very hard to believe any player was ok with this decision. Competitors in the middle of the fire aren't easily capable of seeing the big picture. We are caught up in the investment of the season, but they are 10x more caught up. It's their entire life. Luka and kyrie couldn't care less about that pick is where my money is. Kyrie doesn't even know if he wants to be here. I can't imagine that he wants to be here and it really solidifies it to close up shop and get a pick for some drafted player who if we are lucky could contribute off the bench a bit.

EricaLubarsky · 04-07-2023, 06:50 PM

Look at that Bulls injury report too

Harry is going to eat them up

SMC0007 · 04-07-2023, 06:51 PM

https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/st...wS8veA7Kg&s=19

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-07-2023, 10:25 PM

They shoulda lost on Wednesday. Now we all get to see them blow it vs the Spurs.

SMC0007 · 04-07-2023, 11:19 PM

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They shoulda lost on Wednesday. Now we all get to see them blow it vs the Spurs.

I wanna see Cubans fn head fall off because of this. Or I wanna see a final score of:
Spurs:37
Mavs:18

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-07-2023, 11:39 PM

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I wanna see Cubans fn head fall off because of this. Or I wanna see a final score of:
Spurs:37
Mavs:18

They might as well make it a dodgeball game.

The most damning stat of the season though is the record of Wood vs Powell starting via Afseth...

Record as Starter:

Wood: 9-8 (9-4 w/Doncic)
Powell: 26-37 (21-28 w/Doncic)

That's the season right there.

tap2390 · 04-08-2023, 12:17 AM

We finally did the smart thing instead of the prideful thing. Pride gets you nowhere in the league. It?s the difference between shittalking the refs and feeding them honey.

Amarelooms · 04-08-2023, 09:05 AM

The spurs needs loose or it doesn?t matter to them? They might try screw us and lose too? Also if we lose guarantees 10th pick?

Melonhead · 04-08-2023, 02:28 PM

Per McMahon

The nba has commenced an investigation into Dallas tanking lmaooooo this org cannot do anything right and Kidd wouldn?t stfu post game.

Hopefully this is all for show, because Portland and Utah have been tanking for awhile now.

purplefrog · 04-08-2023, 02:49 PM

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Per McMahon

The nba has commenced an investigation into Dallas tanking lmaooooo this org cannot do anything right and Kidd wouldn?t stfu post game.

Hopefully this is all for show, because Portland and Utah have been tanking for awhile now.

I will laugh hysterically if Cuban gets fined and/or there is some other penalty handed down. The good news is Kidd's remarks might get him fired, whereas his poor coaching was unlikely to get us to that result. Kidd may have burned the bridge by saying this was a decision made by management.

I mean it is one thing to sit five/six of your rotation players (several teams are doing that), but to be leading by double digits at halftime and then not play most of those players that got you that lead, well that is obvious tanking.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-08-2023, 04:06 PM

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I will laugh hysterically if Cuban gets fined and/or there is some other penalty handed down. The good news is Kidd's remarks might get him fired, whereas his poor coaching was unlikely to get us to that result. Kidd may have burned the bridge by saying this was a decision made by management.

I mean it is one thing to sit five/six of your rotation players (several teams are doing that), but to be leading by double digits at halftime and then not play most of those players that got you that lead, well that is obvious tanking.

Kidd has been trying to get fired all season.

Be hilarious if they try to win the next game now.

purplefrog · 04-08-2023, 04:52 PM

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Kidd has been trying to get fired all season.

Be hilarious if they try to win the next game now.

I think they might have to "sit for rest" everyone but Frank, Wright, Lawson, Holiday, and Pinson. If someone fouls out, then play with four.

Melonhead · 04-08-2023, 02:57 PM

I think Cuban should have to fire Kidd then sell the team. Apt consequence. No other choice.

tap2390 · 04-08-2023, 03:03 PM

Kidd is a fucking moron. How hard is it to say that you've judged that the injury risk isn't worth it given the slim chance of making the play-in???

This whole franchise just reeks of incompetence and it starts with Cuban who is really turning into the poor man's Jerry Jones.

Zeus · 04-08-2023, 03:14 PM

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Kidd is a fucking moron. How hard is it to say that you've judged that the injury risk isn't worth it given the slim chance of making the play-in???

This whole franchise just reeks of incompetence and it starts with Cuban who is really turning into the poor man's Jerry Jones.

100%!

EricaLubarsky · 04-08-2023, 03:13 PM

FOUR OPTIONS

Option 1) We lose. Guaranteed 10th draft position. Doesn't matter what other teams do (9th if Bulls somehow beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks) - 13.9% chance of a top 4, 79.8% chance of keeping pick)

Option 2) We win against the Spurs. Both Thunder and Bulls win. We get 10th (9th if Bulls somehow beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks) - 13.9% chance of a top 4, 79.8% chance of keeping pick)

Option 3) We win against the Spurs. Either Thunder or Bulls lose. We split 10th/11th (9th/10th if Bulls somehow beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks) - 9.4% chance of a top 4, 44.6% chance of keeping pick)

Option 4) We win against the Spurs. Both the Thunder and Bulls lose. We split 10th/11th/12th (9th/10th if Bulls make the playoffs) - 10.2% chance of a top 4, 32.1% chance of keeping pick)

That's it. If we lose one more game, we are in control and guaranteed 10th with a small chance of 9th. If we win, then other teams can split out lottery odds.

Melonhead · 04-08-2023, 03:45 PM

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FOUR OPTIONS

Option 1) We lose. Guaranteed 10th draft position. Doesn't matter what other teams do (9th if Bulls somehow beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks) - 13.9% chance of a top 4, 79.8% chance of keeping pick)

Option 2) We win against the Spurs. Both Thunder and Bulls lose. We get 10th (9th if Bulls somehow beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks) - 13.9% chance of a top 4, 79.8% chance of keeping pick)

Option 3) We win against the Spurs. Either Thunder or Bulls win. We split 10th/11th (9th/10th if Bulls somehow beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks) - 9.4% chance of a top 4, 44.6% chance of keeping pick)

Option 4) We win against the Spurs. Both the Thunder and Bulls win. We split 10th/11th/12th (9th/10th if Bulls make the playoffs) - 10.2% chance of a top 4, 32.1% chance of keeping pick)

That's it. If we lose one more game, we are in control and guaranteed 10th with a small chance of 9th. If we win, then other teams can split out lottery odds.

The ONLY logic is they didn?t think they?d beat the Kings as starters. OKC was not going to lose to the jazz. It really just shows how incompetent this organization is and it starts at the top with billionaire guy living out his fantasy of owning an nba team.

SMC0007 · 04-08-2023, 05:25 PM

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The ONLY logic is they didn?t think they?d beat the Kings as starters. OKC was not going to lose to the jazz. It really just shows how incompetent this organization is and it starts at the top with billionaire guy living out his fantasy of owning an nba team.

Womp. Truth bomb

Melonhead · 04-08-2023, 05:49 PM

Just my opinion, but I could see Silver using Dallas to make an example out of:

If a harsh penalty drops, Cuban would totally turn this circus into a lawsuit

EricaLubarsky · 04-08-2023, 06:04 PM

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Just my opinion, but I could see Silver using Dallas to make an example out of:

If a harsh penalty drops, Cuban would totally turn this circus into a lawsuit

The good news is the current CBA only requires fines.

Cuban gets hit for a million or whatever

Mavs fans aren't hit with a lost pick.

I see that as a win. Cuban suffers and it starts turning him on Kidd. Mavs aren't hurt with a lost pick.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-08-2023, 08:21 PM

Any other coach would be instantly fired after doing that minus maybe Pop. Cuban just had Kidd's back too! Why would Kidd do that? It's so bizarre how terrible and embarrassing our team is.

Dallas41 · 04-08-2023, 10:24 PM

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Any other coach would be instantly fired after doing that minus maybe Pop. Cuban just had Kidd's back too! Why would Kidd do that? It's so bizarre how terrible and embarrassing our team is.

Kidd told the truth

Fuck cuban he made the call so live with the consequences.

Kidd didn't make all the boneheaded financial decisions for this organization cuban did that Shit.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-08-2023, 11:13 PM

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Kidd told the truth

Fuck cuban he made the call so live with the consequences.

Kidd didn't make all the boneheaded financial decisions for this organization cuban did that Shit.

It doesn't matter. Why purposely hurt your team by making it a public embarrassment? That stuff doesn't just land on Cuban ya know.

Shouting to the world that you're tanking is just plain stupid no matter how bad Cuban is as an owner.

To me, it's Kidd deferring any responsibility per usual.

Both suck, but Kidd has been bombing pressers all season long. No logic in doing that.