Warning...Do NOT click on this thread if you are easily frightened.

[dude1394]

Pictures of the angry mobs threatening the poor democratic legislators.

Warning...Graphic Mob Photos...

[quote]
You’ve heard a lot about this crazy, scary, vicious mob on some shadowy GOP payroll. By the way the DNC, Rachel Maddow, and President Obama talk, you’d think it was a motley crue of Hell’s Angels.
Let me introduce you to the mob:














I am the mob. My kids are the mob. My grandma is the mob. My family members did not shed blood for this country so that their elected officials could silence them into shame if they dared to speak out and voice their concerns.
Are you the mob?

[92bDad]

You must spread some rep!!!

That is freakin brilliant!!!

The scary part, given another post on another thread regarding "Unions being rallied to challenge the town hall meetings"

I can only Pray that the left doesn't spark some type of violence and blame the right.

Amazing how the left can protest and it's okay, but when the right does it it's wrong. The Left is so full of themselves.

No wonder Americans are concerned about losing their freedoms...those in power are not listening, but rather they are dictating.

Obviously emotions between the Right and the Left are extremely high and I would guess fairly volatile (SP?) Then you have a pink elephant running around the room just waiting to explode. The racial element behind Democrat/Republicans.

Things are heating up and America is quite frankly divided along both real and perceived lines. Many on the right are afraid to speak up because they may get labeled "Racist" simply for having a different view point from the left. Some on the left and some in the African-American community are afraid to speak out and be labeled an "Uncle Tom"

What are the solutions?

How do we get away from the politics of race and get down to the real issues? I'm not discounting race as an issue, simply stating that race is being abused and thus clouding the debate over ideological differences.

Do we stand a glimor of hope in finding a peace in this country, or are those days gone?

[Justin Credible]

I generally avoid any political discussions over the internet as it seems as though there's no way to see eye to eye with anyone that isn't 100% the same as you, but does any of this ever get old to people?

It just seems like it's nothing but a bunch of left/right propaganda just fighting each other. It's watching two teenagers fight in the back yard when the UFC is organizing new events behind their backs. Fox News, CNN, ABC, etc. are all just feeding off of this foolishness and contorting stories to feed the loud/useless beast in the corner that's just tied up and never doing anything even remotely productive.

Sorry, just had to vent for a moment. Continue thread.

[92bDad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ESol6c4u0 - Richardson Town Hall with Pete Sessions

[Nowitzki4President]

Originally Posted by dude1394

That's kind of Ironic because our vets get the best health care in the US, and it happens to be socialized. Scary!

[92bDad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLp...eature=related

Ronald Reagan...there's the Mob Leader...

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

That's kind of Ironic because our vets get the best health care in the US, and it happens to be socialized. Scary!

I've heard horror stories about the VA systems, but maybe it's just a few crappy hospitals making headlines.

I heard another ironic part is that many seniors know Medicare will be insolvent in a decade or so... and they worry that universal health care will only accelerate the timetable by putting too many mouths to the already barren teat, hurting their short-term care.

Edit: At least DirkFTW will be forever inscribed in the annals of the 44th President. Hopefully it'll be backed up with a ring this year.

[Nowitzki4President]

So this is the land of the free, home of the brave. Where only a fraction are allowed to live?

The people in the "mob" are the selfish bunch that already have care for themselves.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

That's kind of Ironic because our vets get the best health care in the US, and it happens to be socialized. Scary!

Ever been to a Vet hospital? Know anyone who actually uses a vet hospital?

Best health care in the US??? by who's standards?

[Dirkadirkastan]

Republican jokes are always lame.

[Arne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY9...layer_embedded

Obama telling it the way it is....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y98Hx...layer_embedded

The angry mob.

http://www.yaliberty.org/

The young angry mob.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Justin Credible

I generally avoid any political discussions over the internet as it seems as though there's no way to see eye to eye with anyone that isn't 100% the same as you, but does any of this ever get old to people?

It just seems like it's nothing but a bunch of left/right propaganda just fighting each other. It's watching two teenagers fight in the back yard when the UFC is organizing new events behind their backs. Fox News, CNN, ABC, etc. are all just feeding off of this foolishness and contorting stories to feed the loud/useless beast in the corner that's just tied up and never doing anything even remotely productive.

Sorry, just had to vent for a moment. Continue thread.

Watch it or I'll get my dad to beat up your dad.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

So this is the land of the free, home of the brave. Where only a fraction are allowed to live?

The people in the "mob" are the selfish bunch that already have care for themselves.

How do you know that? Just because they are against Obama's health care means they already have care for themselves? That's sorta hogwash isn't it? Sure anyone who is 65 has medicare (like every other 65 year old in the country). But there are probaply quite a few there who are busting their rear to get by and get healthcare who aren't interested in having the government run all health care.

Yeah...yeah...yeah..mavie will say that's not in the plan...yet. Once this is passed a nice little change industry to it will begin.. And the government has NEVER shrunk itself. Way too many votes to be made.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Ever been to a Vet hospital? Know anyone who actually uses a vet hospital?

Best health care in the US??? by who's standards?

Quite a stretch. I don't think Teddy Kenndy went to a VA hospital. VA hospitals are NOT the best health care in the US I don't think.

[Nowitzki4President]

Originally Posted by dude1394

How do you know that? Just because they are against Obama's health care means they already have care for themselves? That's sorta hogwash isn't it?

Hogwash? I'm not so sure. Recently a woman at a town hall meeting asked everyone "If you have health care already, please raise your hand" nearly everyone rose their hands, excluding maybe 2-3 people. It was on CNN, but sadly not on youtube so I can't link it.

[Arne]

Originally Posted by dude1394

But there are probaply quite a few there who are busting their rear to get by and get healthcare who aren't interested in having the government run all health care.

Yeah...yeah...yeah..mavie will say that's not in the plan...yet. Once this is passed a nice little change industry to it will begin.. And the government has NEVER shrunk itself. Way too many votes to be made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y98Hx...layer_embedded

[Justin Credible]

I'm a college graduate that's working part time at best buy to try and use as a stepping stone towards a better job whilst having health issues that I can't afford to get checked out (as recommended) due to not having health insurance. I'm still against nationalizing health care.

[Mavdog]

there's civil discourse, and then there is the type of confrontation these events are seeing. screaming and yelling is not the right way, no matter which side of the issue they're on
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Lawmakers Rethink Town Halls
By JANET ADAMY and NAFTALI BENDAVID

The health-care debate was supposed to play out at rallies and inside gymnasiums when lawmakers headed home for the August recess.

But after a series of contentious town-hall meetings, some Democratic lawmakers are thinking twice about holding large public gatherings. Instead, they are opting for smaller sessions, holding meetings by phone or inviting constituents for one-on-one office hours.

Democrats have accused Republicans of manufacturing the opposition by organizing groups to attend the events and encouraging disruptive behavior. Republican organizers say the unrest reflects genuine anger about the proposed health-care changes.

"Democrats may think that attacking or ignoring this growing chorus of Americans is a smart strategy, but they are obviously forgetting that these concerned citizens are voters as well," said Paul Lindsay, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House GOP's campaign arm.

Rick Scott, who leads Conservatives for Patients' Rights, a group that has helped publicize the local meetings, said: "The polls reveal the real picture of what is happening across the country -- people are genuinely concerned, some are genuinely angry, and they are expressing themselves."

The Senate on Friday headed home for a monthlong break after progress stalled on passing sweeping health-care legislation. House members, whose break started a week ago, have been hit with a flood of inquiries about the legislation since they arrived home.

Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick (D., Ariz.) on Thursday canceled her public schedule for the day after a "Chat with Ann" session at a Safeway grocery store in Holbrook, Ariz., turned rowdy.

A video of the meeting showed a woman shouting, "You don't appreciate our frustration!" Ms. Kirkpatrick cut the session short after 15 minutes and headed to her car, trailed by a jeer of "What a nitwit!"

Rep. Tim Bishop (D., N.Y.) stopped holding town-hall meetings after a June event. Footage of the meeting showed participants screaming questions at Mr. Bishop, then repeatedly shouting him down when he tried to respond. At times, Mr. Bishop would begin to respond to a question and a participant would yell, "Answer the question!" At one point Mr. Bishop yelled back, "I'm trying to!"

Police were summoned as several dozen protesters followed Mr. Bishop to his car. Now Mr. Bishop, who has held 100 town-hall meetings during his tenure, has just one scheduled for the August recess, and his office is wrestling with how to ensure it will be civil and orderly.

"I'm seeing the same clips everyone else is of these meetings that are turning into near-riots," said Jon Schneider, Mr. Bishop's district director. "Obviously we don't want that to happen." He added that the congressman is talking to voters in other ways.

Rep. Brian Baird (D., Wash.) also said the raucous nature of recent meetings about health care caused him to steer away from the events, if only because they aren't productive when so many people are shouting.

"I'm not a coward, but neither am I a fool," said Mr. Baird. "There is a real concern right now about this nationwide campaign of intimidation and disruption that I think is troubling," he said. "It's getting dangerous."

Several lawmakers said they aren't canceling large, public events that have already been planned.

Some Democrats who have seen the sharpest attacks say that has made them more determined not to back away from public meetings. Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D., Texas), who was recently heckled over health care at a supermarket, said he would attend a veterans-center opening, a community-health event and a meeting with Austin public school teachers in coming days.

"The apparent focus was to kind of create this impression that you could run me [and] supporters of this out of Dodge," he said. "That's not what is going to happen."

[mcsluggo]

does anyone else here use an HMO? (I do, I use Kaiser.)

Do you think its a nightmare?

[mcsluggo]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Republican jokes are always lame.

indubitably.

[u2sarajevo]

Originally Posted by mcsluggo

does anyone else here use an HMO? (I do, I use Kaiser.)

Do you think its a nightmare?

I used to use Kaiser back in the late 90s. Nightmare doesn't even begin to describe what I had to go through. I felt like my choice wasn't even factored in on how I was going to take care of myself. I take Insulin.... they not only changed my brand of insulin that I was using which screwed me up but they only gave me enough test strips to test twice a day. The MINIMUM recommended is 4 times daily. I couldn't even test before each meal if I were to follow their guidelines. I had no choice with them. It was either do this or pay for it. So I did it because I had to.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by mcsluggo

does anyone else here use an HMO? (I do, I use Kaiser.)

Do you think its a nightmare?

I've had zero issues with HMO's, all things considered. And my wife has required quite a bit of medical care over the past few years.

[Usually Lurkin]

"get in their faces," he said.

[dude1394]

Another un-american I guess. Along with his 81 year old father.

The Washington Times Monday, August 10, 2009 BREITBART: I am Kenneth Gladney Andrew Breitbart OPINION/ANALYSIS: The first round of protests against the Obama administration's chaotic and rapid-fire expansion of government came in the form of grass-roots "tea parties," which were predictably met with scorn by the Democrat-Media Complex (the natural coalition of the Democratic Party and the mainstream media.) CNN's Anderson Cooper and MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow led the charge, declaring concerned Americans "tea baggers," an allusion to an absurd sexual fetish beneath describing in a family newspaper.

This attack on hundreds of thousands of people practicing their constitutional right to protest speaks volumes not just about the hardened sociopolitical leanings of America's journalistic elite, but about the brazenness with which they are now wielding their unprofessionalism. Last week on the grounds of the once-venerated White House, Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, taking his cues from his allies in the media, referred to last week's health care town-hall protesters as "tea baggers." How far we have fallen.

Stepping up the rhetoric from mockery to pure hatred, and absent any evidence, Mr. Olbermann has called the president's public protesters "worse than racists." Political activist and comedianJaneane Garofalo colored them "racist rednecks who hate blacks." And at the somewhat higher end of the food chain, liberal economist Paul Krugman in the New York Times wrote last week that they were motivated by "cultural and racial fear."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who is having a hard time these days explaining the president's Israel policy to her Jewish constituents, blatantly lied and said that the protesters were wielding "swastikas and symbols like that." Supporters of the president understand what is going on. So do his detractors. The mainstream media and the Democratic Party are working in concert to make sure that what happened to President Bush -- sustained organized grass-roots protests ("mobs," if you will), relentless media criticism and permanent opposition-party obstructionism -- does not happen to their guy.

Complicating matters, the media's fate is directly tied to the president's. Without them, Barack Obama would still be a backbencher from Illinois.

But the mockery. The recklessness. Unsupportable libel isn't working. The tea parties and, now, the health care protests at town-hall meetings have only gotten bigger and stronger. The anti-big-government movement is pure. Its participants represent something close to what used to be considered normative in this country. Tea Party attendees and health care town-hall protesters share the common belief that the extravagant spending of President Obama and the Democratic Party -- absent any checks and balances -- will eventually lead more people into government dependency, higher taxes and, perhaps, our country's financial ruin. These are legitimate fears felt by millions of Americans. That's why the media and the Democratic Party are scared and are throwing outrageous and hateful accusations at everyday Americans -- hoping that people stay home out of fear.

I've attended two tea parties so far. One was in Santa Ana, Calif., on April 15, where my 81-year-old father-in-law, the actor Orson Bean, joined fellow actor Gary Graham and newly naturalized American citizen Ian Mitchell, from the Scottish '70s music sensation, the Bay City Rollers.

I saw no "tea bagging." Blacks and Hispanics carried signs along with the white majority. But there was a sketchy dog dressed in a red, white and blue sweater. Make of that what you will, Mr. Olbermann.

Last week, a black gentleman named Kenneth Gladney went to a town-hall meeting hosted by Rep. Russ Carnahan, Missouri Democrat. While passing out "Don't Tread on Me" flags, he was viciously attacked by Service Employees International Union (SEIU) members. One called him a "nigger." These union thugs were directed by the White House to go to the protests and "punch back twice as hard." And they did. While the attack was captured on video and is available on YouTube, Mr. Gladney's horrifying story is absent from MSNBC's 24/7 media cycle. Mr. Krugman has yet to write about it. And Mr. Cooper has yet to condemn the attack.

On Sept. 12, I will be attending a tea party in Quincy, Ill., joining Instapundit professor Glenn Reynolds, Gateway Pundit's Jim Hoft, and Tucker Carlson. With the Democratic Party in control of all branches of government and the Fourth Estate acting as the Democratic Party's protector, the tea party movement is the closest thing America has to checks and balances. If that isn't enough to motivate you, perhaps showing your solidarity with Kenneth Gladney, a fellow patriot, is.

• Andrew Breitbart is publisher of the news portals Breitbart.com and Breitbart.tv. His latest endeavor, Big Hollywood (http://bighollywood.breitbart.com), is a group blog on Hollywood and politics from the center-right perspective.

[dude1394]

Yea...gotta love it.

Beat Me in St. Louis (cont) [Mark Steyn]

As Jim Treacher says:

If Kenneth Gladney was an Obama supporter, right now he'd be more famous than Rodney King.

Gotta love this "post-racial America": Democrat union heavies can beat up a black guy using racial epithets and leave him in a wheelchair unable to speak — and happily (unlike, say, a black professor being asked for picture ID) it's not "symbolic" of anything at all. Not a Sharpton in sight to speak up for him: Mr. Gladney's only shot at fame is an entry in The Guinness Book of Records under "Least Famous Black Hate-Crime Victim In America."


Nothing personal, of course. Just what happens when Uncle Tom the Plumber decides to hang with the uncivil-rights movement:

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Yea...gotta love it.

"unable to speak"??? "racial epithets"??? rubbish, and just the sort of deceit being used by the right in this supposed debate, gladney is more than happy (and able btw) to speak about his new found fame, and the people who are accused of making gladney a "victim" of a "black hate crime" are....black americans.

Kenneth Gladney, 38, an activist from St. Louis who believes in a no-tax stance, said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with "Don't tread on me" printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room on Thursday night at St. John's Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was awaiting treatment for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face.

"It just seems there's no freedom of speech without being attacked," Gladney said. On Friday, he said he had been hired by the Tea Party folks to hand out the flags and added: "I was attacked for something I believe in."
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...C?OpenDocument

the whole circus needs to be stopped. the people who are screaming and yelling (not surprisingly the malaise has spead to both sides), with no desire at a civil discussion, need to learn a thing or two about respect.

[DirkFTW]

Is the divide between the parties now irreparable?

[Flacolaco]

I start to get a little concerned when CNN is telling me about the freedoms I'm going to lose:

http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news...obama.fortune/

[alexamenos]

Is the divide between the parties now irreparable?

Not at all. They'll come together to the extent their interests unite, right now they're haggling over fairly trivial differences of opinion.

("keep government out of my medicare" said one Republican)....

the republicans are riding the wave of some genuine anti-government type angst, but if things ever get real they'll promptly rejoin forces with their democrat brethren. This wave of anti-governmentism, fiscal conservatism type stuff from Republicans will last (at the absolute longest) until they get back in power.


(and when I refer to Republicans here I'm of course referring to Republican party leadership.)

[alexamenos]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

I start to get a little concerned when CNN is telling me about the freedoms I'm going to lose:

http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news...obama.fortune/

public health care and losing freedom are like stink and s____. If you have the first you'll necessarily have the second, it must be.....you can't have a dirigiste governmnet and economic freedom....one or the other, certainly not both.

(and as the old saying goes, those who trade freedom for security wind up with neither)

[92bDad]

http://www.timeswatch.org/articles/2...810142725.aspx

more liberal bias...using words to talk bad about opposition, while using a picture of a Democrat inflecting violence as the source.

[Nowitzki4President]

This is how it is, and should be interpreted

The leftist plan is a single payer system

Moderate plan is to be a public option

Right wing plan is to keep it the same

Instead those moderates proposing the public option are being ridiculed by the right at socialists. I'm a socialists, and those people are far from it.

Those goes into what I said earlier about there being no liberal progressive party in America, just the Center-Right and the Stupid Party.

[rmacomic]

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news...-town-hall.php

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

This is how it is, and should be interpreted

The leftist plan is a single payer system

Moderate plan is to be a public option

Right wing plan is to keep it the same

So there are no other options except those three? Seriously?

Here, let me blow your mind and propose one: F the med-mal lawyers and see how low costs can go.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by DirkFTW

Here, let me blow your mind and propose one: F the med-mal lawyers and see how low costs can go.

the cbo says with the total awards of medical liability lawsuits representing less than 2% of the total amount spent on healthcare in america, a limit on tort liability would have little affect in reducing healthcare costs.

http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=4968&type=0

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Republican jokes are always lame.

I've never seen a thread summed up so beautifully.

[Nowitzki4President]

Originally Posted by DirkFTW

So there are no other options except those three? Seriously?

Here, let me blow your mind and propose one: F the med-mal lawyers and see how low costs can go.

No, I'm saying that real progressives wish for a single payer system, far right wingers want absolutely nothing done. What's the middle road? Public option. No one is making you choose the public option, that's why it's called an option.

It's something called compromise, it's what adults do.

[92bDad]

Let me see:

The left wants the government to be in charge and in control of the people's medical options.

The right wants the people to be in charge and in control of their own medical options.

Can there be some type of middle ground? Does the middle ground truly accomplish anything, or does it give us a huge confusing mess?

From my view it's perhaps a bit simplified...but could the following concept be something that companies and citizens could work together on?

Freedom of choice - people essentially are "Customers" in which they can choose their insurance company based on what works for them.

Allow customers to build thier own policy based on what they actually need, similar to what we do for Auto or Home insurance.

Perhaps allowing some type of government regulation in terms of minimum liability...Although I don't like this portion, I would be willing to give into a liberal view that some people wouldn't be able to best decide what a fair level of minimum coverage should be.

Under this system, they could still have "Public Care" facilities, similar to "Parkland Hospital" - If we allow Sales tax to pay for new Stadiums, then why not allow Sales taxes to cover a strong portion of local coverage. This sales tax can be State Wide, but then distributed to the various local hospital based on need.

Develop a team of auditors that are made up of citizens, insurance companies, representatives, medical personnel, etc... We can dig in and build up a team to meet the needs of each various group. This team would audit medical facilities in any and all areas. This is to look at any cost measures that could assist the medical industry, as well as serving to undercover any fraud that is taking place within the industry.

This would allow everyone to be accountable...from the hospital, to the doctors/nurses, to the insurance company, to the patients as well as the government.

There should also be a cost for choices that people make. They will be treated, however individuals would be responsible for their choices, such as overeating, smoking, homosexual acts (STD's), pregnancies, etc...

Individuals, should be allowed to "Invest" into their future needs, similar to a private SSN account. Basically individuals would be able to option in (This is NOT mandatory), but they could participate into a private account that would be for future medical needs when they reach older ages and have needs that we don't think about when we are younger. This would allow those who invested to have options, choices as to where they would be treated rather than rely on only the Public service.

Ultimately, this would minimize if not virtually remove any and all Government money, citizen tax dollars from being used to revamp a new system. It would allow people to have the freedom of choice, which I imagine Liberals are in strong favor of. It would keep the power in the hands of the people which Conservatives would love.

It would enable business' to compete for the peoples medical business, which everyone should benefit from.

This issue is not as complicated as we are hearing and I believe if we remove our biased over party politics, we can find a solution that is focused on people, patients FIRST.

This should help counter any false perceptions that conservatives want to do nothing, basically conservatives want to do what is good for the Citizens of America, while liberals don't believe that the people are smart enough to do it for themselves.

[Nowitzki4President]

The companies cannot, and shouldn't be trusted.

There's a reason countries like France, Sweden and Canada are among the top 10 in life expectancy, while we sit at 50th.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2102rank.html

[Flacolaco]

This is all the same old sh!@, different day, once again. Why don't you march down to your rich neighbors house and tell him he owes you a colonoscopy and some antibiotics...or a foundation inspection and some roof shingles. It's all good and services...contrivances of man. We're on an unconstitutional march to bankruptcy.