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mcsluggo · 07-12-2006, 02:27 PM

Great, it just gets better and better. Both sides in this issue are just such buttheads. BOTH sides are so busy acting macho so they can play to their base that the instant reaction to ANYTHING is to just ratchet-up the conflict. Both sides deserve to lose their "driving licenses" for a few years, since they refuse to do anything but ram into each other. Buttholes.

Question, what is Syria's and Iran's reaction to this? We (if we include Israel in the greater "us" category) just ensured a surge in popularity for both of those renegade regimes amongst the average labanese. Do you think they won't JUMP on this diversion from their other troubles? As the smoke settles, Iran can RUSH into the rubble and greatly change the balance of negotiation chits in their nuclear disputes, and Syria--- Harari bombing or not, does anyone remember how Syria ended up in Lebanon in the first place? (hint, it followed an Israeli invasion into southern Lebanon to pursue Hezollah guerilla-fighters.)

I hope Condi and company are in top-form the next couple of days/weeks. They(we)'ll need it.

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Hezbollah Demands Prisoner Swap With Israel --Israeli Forces Enter Lebanon to Conduct Search for Abducted Soldiers

By Anthony Shadid, Scott Wilson and Debbi Wilgoren
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, July 12, 2006; 12:12 PM

SIDON, Lebanon, July 12 -- The militant Shiite Muslim group Hezbollah killed three Israeli soldiers and captured two others in an attack along the Israel-Lebanon border Wednesday morning. Four more Israeli soldiers were killed when troops and tanks crossed the border in pursuit of the captives.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called the ambush an "act of war" and said Hezbollah would pay a "heavy price," the Associated Press reported. The assault followed the June 25 capture by Palestinian gunmen of an Israeli soldier in the Gaza Strip, which has triggered a major Israeli military offensive in that region.

Israel will hold the government of Lebanon "fully responsible" for Hezbollah's actions, Defense Minister Amir Peretz said in a statement. He said the government "must act immediately and seriously to locate" the missing soldiers, "to prevent any harm done to them and to return them to Israel."

Hezbollah Secretary General Hasan Nasrallah said the ambush was aimed at forcing the release of prisoners in Israel.

"What we did today . . . is the only feasible path to free detainees from Israeli jails," Nasrallah told a news conference in Beirut. Military action by Israel, he added, "will not lead to returning the Israeli captives. The only means is indirect negotiation and thus a swap" -- an option flatly ruled out by the Israeli government in the Gaza case.

In Rome, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan condemned the Hezbollah attack "without reservation" and demanded that the captive soldiers be released.

Israeli troops entered southern Lebanon soon after the 9 a.m. abduction, striking 30 military and infrastructure targets in an effort to slow the movements of the kidnappers, officials said. Four soldiers were killed when their tank rolled over a land mine.

Israeli fighter jets bombed five bridges in quick succession, effectively cutting off southern Lebanon from the rest of the country. At least two Lebanese civilians were killed in one of the bridge strikes, civil defense officials said, and a power plant was badly damaged. Airstrikes hit the cities of Marjuyun and Kfar Shouba, and gunboats shelled roads between cities.

Scores of suddenly stranded Lebanese wandered back roads looking for a way home -- their faces grim and worried, their belongings stuffed into plastic bags. Sirens wailed in the background.

"We're scared, we're scared, from the moment of the attack until now, we're just scared," said Um Fatimah, whose cousin, Mohammed Saghir, was one of the people killed in the air strike on the bridge. "It only gets more difficult for us."

After warplanes passed over Beirut, anti-aircraft fire thundered through the capital for about a half hour. Witnesses said Katyusha rockets were being fired from the Lebanese side of the border into Israel. The Israeli government urged residents of northern border towns to seek cover in underground bomb shelters.

The attacks and counterattacks are sure to escalate tensions in an area that often serves as a battlefield between Hezbollah militias and the Israeli army. But the sense of unease and fear was mixed with resignation from people who have known peace only rarely. Many also said they were elated at the capture of the soldiers by Hezbollah, which for years has effectively controlled this region.

"Look, we're used to it -- 25 years, 26 years it's been like this," Hassan Qaryani, a 21-year-old butcher from Burj Rahal, said of the airstrikes. The kidnapping, he said, was "like a crown on my head . . . as soon as I heard the news I was overjoyed. It was like Italy winning the World Cup."

In the southern suburbs of Beirut, people handed out candy in the streets and set off fireworks. Fireworks also were set off on the airport road, snarling traffic.

Tensions in Israel were already extremely high, because of ongoing efforts to free Gilad Shalit, a soldier captured 17 days ago by Palestinian militants in Gaza who sneaked through a cross-border tunnel and attacked an Army post.

Early this morning, before the situation exploded in Lebanon, Israel expanded its military offensive in Gaza, dropping a quarter-ton bomb on a house in Gaza City. Israeli officials said they targeted the house based on information that senior Palestinian gunmen were meeting there to plan a terrorist attack.

The huge explosion destroyed the home of Hamas activist Nabil Abu Salmiyeh, a lecturer at Gaza City's Islamic University, killing him, his wife and seven of their nine children, the Associated Press reported. Rescue workers said four people were still missing, and 37 were wounded, according to the wire service. The dead children ranged in age from 4 to 18.

Israeli officials said leaders of the Hamas military wing were meeting in Abu Salmiyeh's home and accused the militants of using civilians as a shield. Officials initially said they believed Mohammed Deif, leader of the armed wing of Hamas, had been wounded in the attack. But Hamas officials said in a mobile phone text message that Deif was unharmed, wire services reported.

Israel blames Deif, a master bomb maker, for many suicide attacks against Israeli targets. The bombing raid was the army's fourth attempt to kill him; he lost an eye in a 2002 missile strike.

Few details were available about the ambush along the Israel-Lebanon border this morning. But Israeli officials said gunmen attacked the military vehicle from a blind spot on the isolated road near Shtula, killing three soldiers and capturing two.

Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, chief of staff for the Israel Defense Forces, spent much of Wednesday meeting with his top staff and coordinating the military activity on the northern border. Olmert called an emergency cabinet meeting for tonight, to consider additional action.

"The government of Lebanon, which allows Hezbollah to freely operate against Israel from within its jurisdiction, must bear the responsibility for the ramifications of this action," Peretz's statement said. "The State of Israel will take any measure it sees fit and the IDF will be instructed accordingly."

Wilson reported from Shtula, Israel; Wilgoren reported from Washington. Staff writer Fred Barbash also contributed to this report.

AxdemxO · 07-12-2006, 02:32 PM

All i got to say is if those other muslim countries decide to get into it and help Palestine....Israel is in deep shit....and they prolly deserve it

dalmations202 · 07-12-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

All i got to say is if those other muslim countries decide to get into it and help Palestine....Israel is in deep shit....and they prolly deserve it

If you only had a clue......

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Just a FYI --- this same thing was said in the 60's when the Muslim countries decided to remove Israel.

the Six-Day War , also known as the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, Six Days' War, or June War, was fought between Israel and the nearby Arab states of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria. Egyptian aggression initiated the war as Egypt formed a blockade of Israeli shipping in the Straits of Tiran, removed the UNEF peacekeeping forces from the Sinai, and deployed a large military force in the Sinai on the Israeli border. Responding in an act of defense, Israel launched a preemptive attack against Egypt. Jordan in turn attacked the Israeli cities of Jerusalem and Netanya. At the war's end, Israel had gained control of the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. The results of the war affect the geopolitics of the region to this day.

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It only lasted 6 days.

And another FYI - it will happen someday -- Israel isn't going to lose.

mcsluggo · 07-12-2006, 02:50 PM

Israel can certainly hold their own in a toe-to-toe knock-out brawl.

Question is: Is that really the best path to long run sustainability of their precarious placement in that volatile region?

The truth of the matter is that ALL of those people are sleeping in the same bed. They better learn how to start tolerating each other. THe moronic celebrations over every harmed ISraeli soldier have to stop, and Israel throwin' her weight around (even if you think its easily justified under the circumstances) is not going to make that happen sooner.

Don't you think the Hezboullah thought this reaction MIGHT just occur? Do you think this reaction probably disapointed them? NOT A CHANCE. the only way they lose influence is if tensions decline and Jews and Muslims start getting along. THey are like a bad star-trek disease/alien, that feeds on discord... and Israel plays right into their hands almost every single time

Mavdog · 07-12-2006, 04:19 PM

hamas and hezbollah exist for the only reason of formenting hate. israel could never negotiate with either of these groups as these groups cannot be trusted.

hezbollah acted today with the desire to provoke just the response that israel is now doing. israel is between the proverbial "rock and the hard place"...it cannot just stand and do nothing, and if it does react it only provides more fodder for hezbollah to proclaim that they are the only ones who will stand up to them.

sluggo, you need to go back further in history. the problems in lebanon didn't start with israel invading lebanon, the problems in what was then a relatively peaceful lebanon started with the palestinian leadership attempting to forment civil war in jordan, and the jordanians tossing the palestinians out of their country and...into lebanon.

the real "winner" in all this? iran. they see their enemy israel tied down in more conflict, they see their agents hezbollah realize more credibility from the arab masses, and they see their other enemy, the usa, look feeble and powerless in trying to defuse the conflict, while they themselves don't outwardly have any blood on their own hands.

a real mess, and one that has not been aided by the war in iraq. in fact, it seems to me that the war in iraq has hurt not only the usa but also the israelis, for if the iraq war was not still ongoing would the iranians feel safe in pursuing this strategy?

I think not.

Rhylan · 07-13-2006, 12:01 AM

All good points Mavdog, but I don't really think Iran would be doing anything differently if the USA weren't in Iraq right now or if Iraq were stabilized.

Do they appreciate the instability in Iraq right now? Of course.. but they'd still be Iran, they'd still have anti-Israel crap as their #1 priority, they'd still have Hezbollah on the payroll.. so... no.

Iran is damn crazy. Hamas & Hezbollah is damn crazy. They all be damn crazy and none of them can be reasoned with or negotiated with.

AxdemxO · 07-13-2006, 01:09 AM

The war in the 60's was different and countries were weaker....yeee Israel has gotten stronger since but soo have all the muslim countries..If Israel gets too deep they will be in trouble....Just like the US....you think Bush doesnt wanna attack N Korea....sure he does but he doesnt have enuff soldiers cuz of the shit he got into in Iraq

Basically its not lookin good...WW3 is near

capitalcity · 07-13-2006, 01:45 AM

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nowitzki_prophecy · 07-13-2006, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

The war in the 60's was different and countries were weaker....yeee Israel has gotten stronger since but soo have all the muslim countries..If Israel gets too deep they will be in trouble....Just like the US....you think Bush doesnt wanna attack N Korea....sure he does but he doesnt have enuff soldiers cuz of the shit he got into in Iraq

Basically its not lookin good...WW3 is near

Bush doesn't want to attack N.Korea because it has nuclear abileties,not lack of soldiers.

Israel is more than capable of fighting Syria,and Iran aswell for that matter.
Iran doesn't have a border with israel so it'll be an airial fight,which they couldn't possibly win.Israel is known for its wide and advanced air force.
The true powerhouse in the region beside Israel is egypt,and they are not about to brake the peace treaty to defend who they have been cited themselfs as calling them terrorists.
And hell,Israel will always be here because we allagedly

hold about 250 A and H bombs.

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Israel is in deep shit....and they prolly deserve it

I would grately appreciate knowing why. Your a jack-ass who's mind is determined by the daily newspaper,immature kid who should open his eyes.
The muslims will never be satisfied,and thats something Bush is starting to realize aswell.
Europe on the other hand got their eyes on the prize,black gold,so again,its Israel and the US.
I do agree with one thing you said,WW3 doesn't look that far fatched,especially if Ahmadingad achieves nuclear abileties.

dude1394 · 07-13-2006, 05:16 AM

The only reason that N.Korea is such a hard nut to crack is because of all the artillery they have targeted at Seoul S. Korea. Even without nukes they can obliterate that city, with nukes, well it's gone.

It has nothing to do with N.Korea's military prowess, it has everything to do with the US not wanting to hurt an ally.

madape · 07-13-2006, 08:47 AM

MAvdog has it right (what do you know, I agree with him for once).

The palestinian people went to the polls this year and chose war with Israel. Their government provokes Israel with an act of war. In my opinion, Israel has responded appropriately. They need to continue the military action in Gaza until the government falls and the will of the people is broken.

The palestinian people have been filled with the hope for years that the destruction of Israel is a real possibility. They do not want peace. They only want war. I am happy that a regime has come to power in Israel that recognizes that peace will not come with the Palestinians unless this conflict occurs. They need to occupy Gaza and conduct a prolonged war of attrition until the will of the people is broken. Only then will the people of Palestine realize that Israel isn't going anywhere. A people that don't want peace will never try to acheive it. I beleive the only way to make the Palestinian people long for peace is to show them what the alternative looks like. May the iron fist of Israel come down on the heads of their terrorist enemies!

Drbio · 07-13-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavdog

hamas and hezbollah exist for the only reason of formenting hate. israel could never negotiate with either of these groups as these groups cannot be trusted.

hezbollah acted today with the desire to provoke just the response that israel is now doing. israel is between the proverbial "rock and the hard place"...it cannot just stand and do nothing, and if it does react it only provides more fodder for hezbollah to proclaim that they are the only ones who will stand up to them.

sluggo, you need to go back further in history. the problems in lebanon didn't start with israel invading lebanon, the problems in what was then a relatively peaceful lebanon started with the palestinian leadership attempting to forment civil war in jordan, and the jordanians tossing the palestinians out of their country and...into lebanon.

the real "winner" in all this? iran. they see their enemy israel tied down in more conflict, they see their agents hezbollah realize more credibility from the arab masses, and they see their other enemy, the usa, look feeble and powerless in trying to defuse the conflict, while they themselves don't outwardly have any blood on their own hands.

a real mess, and one that has not been aided by the war in iraq. in fact, it seems to me that the war in iraq has hurt not only the usa but also the israelis, for if the iraq war was not still ongoing would the iranians feel safe in pursuing this strategy?

I think not.

Who are you and what have you done with the real Mavdog.

AxdemxO · 07-13-2006, 02:37 PM

Well Israel was not there in the beginning, until the US decided to put it there and sooo dont tell me that they are supposed to be there, Land was taken away from the muslims and given to them to form Israel. So no wonder it only the US and Israel tha are on one side.

But As far as NUKES can some1 pleasee answer this....why does US , who is the US to ask some1 not to make nuclear weapons or to disarm while they have hundreds of em. Why doesnt every1 get rid on nuclear weapons starting with the US and then maybe the other countries would actually do it.

AxdemxO · 07-13-2006, 02:41 PM

Ohhh and half of ya on here are full of shit and actually think ya now what war is like...Ya have no idea...None of ya have prolly even been in a war so domnt talk about stuff tht u jave no idea about

madape · 07-13-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Well Israel was not there in the beginning, until the US decided to put it there and sooo dont tell me that they are supposed to be there, Land was taken away from the muslims and given to them to form Israel..

Completely ignorant of the situtation.. The state of was established by the UN, not the United States. The Jews then fought for their independance, just like any other free nation.

Using your logic, we should be giving the land back to the Caananites, since they were the first recorded inhabitants of the land. Anyone have the phone number to any Caananies? No? Well, then I guess we'll call the Israelites since they were the next group to control the land. I think you'll find their ancestors IN ISRAEL!

AxdemxO · 07-13-2006, 03:16 PM

Ull find the muslims ancestors there too. It would be great to have peace there. Every religion has somethin in so called Israel Muslims, Jews, and Christians and if they could get along and in peace it would be great. But u cant just blame it on the muslims because historcly it was their land.

madape · 07-13-2006, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Ull find the muslims ancestors there too. It would be great to have peace there. Every religion has somethin in so called Israel Muslims, Jews, and Christians and if they could get along and in peace it would be great. But u cant just blame it on the muslims because historcly it was their land.

The Jews are willing to share the land with the muslims. The Muslims aren't willing to do the same. So they will die... and the world will be a better place.

AxdemxO · 07-13-2006, 03:36 PM

Ignorant as most Madape. You cant look at things like that.....but i guess people should not expect anythin diff from people like you

dalmations202 · 07-13-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Ohhh and half of ya on here are full of shit and actually think ya now what war is like...Ya have no idea...None of ya have prolly even been in a war so domnt talk about stuff tht u jave no idea about

Have you? Ever been in a fire fight? Ever seen what happens? Ever have friends get killed? Ever offer your life for the life of another?

You don't talk like you know anything about it.

madape · 07-13-2006, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Ignorant as most Madape. You cant look at things like that.....but i guess people should not expect anythin diff from people like you

you claim that the United States formed Israel and you're calling ME ignorant? Go back to your mosque, punk, and hear again how everything bad that ever happened to Muslims can be blamed on the Jews.

dalmations202 · 07-13-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Ull find the muslims ancestors there too. It would be great to have peace there. Every religion has somethin in so called Israel Muslims, Jews, and Christians and if they could get along and in peace it would be great. But u cant just blame it on the muslims because historcly it was their land.

Why do you say "historically it was their land"?

Historically it was several groups lands. It has been broken up into pieces and parts and claimed by many "peoples" since long before it was given to Abraham.

Yes, once upon a time the Phillistines claimed a part of it, and now their ancestors the Palestines want part of it back.

This land really goes back to the feud of Ishmail and Isaac. Ishmail was the first born (Haggar) and his ancestors believe that he should have inherited the land. God gave the land though to the offspring of Sarah ... Isaac. He was the chosen one through whose lineage the land was divide into 12 tribes. Abraham - Isaac - Jacob

Gen 28:13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I [am] the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;
Gen 28:14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
Gen 28:15 And, behold, I [am] with thee, and will keep thee in all [places] whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done [that] which I have spoken to thee of.
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This is history, where all of Israel was given to heirs of Jacob.

Notice that he says that they will not be there for a while, but he will bring them again into the land. They are there again. This time they will not be removed.

Usually Lurkin · 07-13-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

Why do you say "historically it was their land"?

Notice that he says that they will not be there for a while, but he will bring them again into the land. They are there again. This time they will not be removed.

Actually, weren't they already gone a couple times? They were hauled off to Iraq, -er, Babylon by Nebuchednezzer, right?

dalmations202 · 07-13-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Actually, weren't they already gone a couple times? They were hauled off to Iraq, -er, Babylon by Nebuchednezzer, right?

Yes, in 70AD. Then they were spread throughout the lands.

nowitzki_prophecy · 07-13-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Actually, weren't they already gone a couple times? They were hauled off to Iraq, -er, Babylon by Nebuchednezzer, right?

Not entirely true,only the elite of the tribes were brought to babylon,alot stayed in israel, divided.
It doesn't really matter though,the arguement is not a religious one in israels sake.

Mavdog · 07-13-2006, 04:50 PM

the jewish dispora is viewed as beginning in 587 BCE.

FishForLunch · 07-14-2006, 12:19 AM

Lets see, when US can attack Afghanistan for sheltering Wahabbi bastards, why should Israel not attack Iranian backed Hizbulallah. They dont have to listen to the fucking UN, they can take care of themselves against those selfish Muslim nations. How is Iran going to help, with the current blockade of lebanon. Shoot their no-dong's?

madape · 07-14-2006, 08:13 AM

Nice to see the world community finally coming to support Israel. Check out the stance taken by Canadian prime minister, Stephen Harper:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../BNStory/Front

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Responsibility for the escalating violence in the Middle East rests entirely with those who have kidnapped Israeli soldiers, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Thursday.

Mr. Harper, on his first major international foray, hadn't even touched down in Europe before aligning himself firmly with the United States and Israel in the latest conflagration.

“Israel has the right to defend itself,” the prime minister told reporters aboard a Canadian Forces Airbus en route to London, where he's starting a week-long diplomatic mission.

“I think Israel's response under the circumstances has been measured.”

Israeli military incursions into Lebanon following the kidnapping of two of its soldiers threatened to toss the volatile region into full-scale war. While many countries are urging restraint, Mr. Harper said “the onus to end this escalation is on the other side, and I would urge them to return the prisoners.”

In a prepared statement delivered midway over the Atlantic Ocean, Mr. Harper said: “It's essential that Hezbollah and Hamas release their Israeli prisoners and any countries in that area that have influence on these organizations should encourage an end to violence and recognize — and encourage the recognition of — Israel's right to exist.”

He said he found it “tremendously disappointing” that Palestinian organizations are launching attacks on Israel from a territory that Israel “voluntarily evacuated.” Israeli army withdrew from Lebanon in 2000.
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Mr. Harper's unabashed pro-Israel stance, is sure to prove divisive at the G8 summit this weekend in St. Petersburg, Russia, which anchors Mr. Harper's first major overseas foray as prime minister.
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Mr. Harper refused to be drawn into assessing whether Israel's military incursion into Lebanon — including the bombing of Beirut airport — is too much, responding only that “Israel has the right to defend itself.”

I think I may grow to like this new Canadian PM.

FishForLunch · 07-21-2006, 12:38 PM

Israel is getting ready for a limited ground invasion of Southern Lebanon. If you thought there were too much IED's in Iraq, just wait Lebanon is going to be a super charged Iraq. Israel can handle them, they dont have Murtha and Kerry like politicians waiting to call them murderers. It is going to be bloody though.

capitalcity · 07-21-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FishForLunch

Israel is getting ready for a limited ground invasion of Southern Lebanon. If you thought there were too much IED's in Iraq, just wait Lebanon is going to be a super charged Iraq. Israel can handle them, they dont have Murtha and Kerry like politicians waiting to call them murderers. It is going to be bloody though.

Can't you just see John Kerry "voting for the abandoment of settlements before he voted against it."

Mavdog · 07-21-2006, 01:30 PM

the LAST thing israel wants is to occupy lebanon. yet the staus quo of the past 6 years of hezbollah being in control of south lebanon, using it to launch excursions and rockets into israel, is also intolerable.

the issue wil be how quickly israel can go into lebabnon, do its cleaning of hezbollah terror camps and armaments, and get out. I expect the hope is whan they complete the campaign that SOMEONE will have the ability to keep it clean- someone like the lebanese themselves (unlikely), or a multi-national force such as was used in serbia (more likely).

if it does begin to be a "super charged iraq" it will be a disaster for israel and for the us. but I see the israelis as smarter than that, they won't make those kind of errors.

if the israeli soldiers start killing non-combatants, or if they murder civilians while committing rapes, then yes the israeli politicians will voice the same things that murtha did. you see the israelis are moral people too.

FishForLunch · 07-21-2006, 06:26 PM

Who the fuck is a non-combatant the ones who harbor insurgents, or ones who pull the trigger for IED's or the ones who signal the arrival of a US patrol. You aid the enemy you desreve to die.

Drbio · 07-21-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by capitalcity

Can't you just see John Kerry "voting for the abandoment of settlements before he voted against it."

genius

mcsluggo · 07-21-2006, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FishForLunch

Who the fuck is a non-combatant the ones who harbor insurgents, or ones who pull the trigger for IED's or the ones who signal the arrival of a US patrol. You aid the enemy you desreve to die.

Which is, of course, the exact same rationale the jihadhi fucksticks use when they launch a missile into a settlement, or bomb a train, or shoot a bunch of cars passing outside the entrance to the cia, or drop an airplane.

its barbarous reasoning.

Ninkobei · 07-22-2006, 01:27 PM

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its barbarous reasoning.

I'm kinda curious as to what causes this reasoning. Is it their religion? their genetics? or they way they grow up?

dude1394 · 07-22-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Ignorant as most Madape. You cant look at things like that.....but i guess people should not expect anythin diff from people like you

That's the way the muslims look at israel. Israel has a responsibility to REMOVE the threat, not go into some sort of tet-a-tet with a bunch of maniacs. Only thing you can do with them is kill 'em.

dude1394 · 07-22-2006, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninkobei

I'm kinda curious as to what causes this reasoning. Is it their religion? their genetics? or they way they grow up?

Religion I would imagine as well as their inferiority complex borne' from going from a superpower to a country with very little accomplishements in the modern world. They don't even have the know-how to develop their own oil resources without western technology.

You can see the same thinking in the chronic poor and gangs. They have nothing but their self-esteem, so they are willing to die and kill if anyone insults them.

#1MavsFan · 07-24-2006, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by nowitzki_prophecy

The muslims will never be satisfied,and thats something Bush is starting to realize aswell.

Oh please, seriously just stfu with your ignorant responses. They're quite annoying.

Never satisfied? Bush hasn't done anything that the muslim countries have liked. They've asked him to leave iraq multiple times yet we're still there. So where's this satisfaction coming from? You're ignorance?

It's funny how Israel is allowed to kill thousands of Palestine CIVILIANS and everyone ignores it but as soon as they make a move it's marked as terrorism. Taking 2 soldiers in a time like this in the middle east isn't terrorism when your own innocent civilians are dying by the thousands.

And this whole thing won't be settled until Palestine is reawarded all the land it lost. Clinton tried to settle this by giving them back 90% of their land but they want it all back. And you know what? They have a right to that.

Imagine if some country decided to give land that belonged to the U.S. to Mexico since it felt sorry for them? Do you really think we would be happy with that? If our land was stripped from us, I'm pretty damn sure we would go to extremes (aka war) to get it back. Thats the Israel/Palestine situation in a nutshell.

dude1394 · 07-24-2006, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by #1MavsFan

They've asked him to leave iraq multiple times yet we're still there. So where's this satisfaction coming from? You're ignorance?

Who has asked him to leave? Zarqawi, Al Queda? Who...Not the elected governement of Iraq. Speak of ignorant. Who are these mythical muslims you speak of? Palestinians?

What's most funny is that you can equate blowing up a pizza parlor with israel defending themself against terrorist nutbags who make their headquarters in civilian populations. Just so that when they are attacked they can call up CNN and show how horrible the israelis are.

Those damn jews, shouldn't they just take a few suicide bombs without doing something about it.

Usually Lurkin · 07-24-2006, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by #1MavsFan

Imagine if some country decided to give land that belonged to the U.S. to Mexico since it felt sorry for them? Do you really think we would be happy with that? If our land was stripped from us, I'm pretty damn sure we would go to extremes (aka war) to get it back. Thats the Israel/Palestine situation in a nutshell.

Some of the more knowledgable might correct me, but I thought there never has been a real state of Palestine, it's just the name of a region. The modern Isreal and Palestine states were to be created at the same time (1948), but the Arab states immediately attacked Isreal. The outcome of that war was that the area that was to be the Palestinian state was divided up between Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. So that would be like someone giving part of the US to Mexico, and the US sending terrorists and suicide bombers into Canada to try to completely wipe our northern neighbors from the map, with the help of Mexico.
edit: after rereading, I think it would be more like the UN creating Canada and the US, then Mexico taking over the US, then Mexico using the absence of a United States, and the need for the United States as an excuse to try to destroy Canada.

Usually Lurkin · 07-24-2006, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by capitalcity

Can't you just see John Kerry "voting for the abandoment of settlements before he voted against it."

genius

If John Kerry were president, none of this would have happened, according to John Kerry.
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