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Evilmav2 · 11-09-2002, 01:20 PM

*that wasn't necessary.*

Evilmav2 · 11-09-2002, 02:12 PM

That's $4.5 million of poop...

Fidel · 11-09-2002, 11:56 PM

<< Do you think Wang would've gotten any minutes in the 4th quarter last night when the Mavs had a 30-point lead, >>

Probably so, that´s the typical Wang situation, garbage time. That´s where he got his numbers with the Mavs and that will be his fate with the Clips too. It´s not even that I don´t like him, it´s just that he´s a spare, who´s totally overrated by some members of this board here. There is a reason why China did so bad at the worldchamps. They are a bunch of overhyped (especially Yao) scrubs who can´t play. If anything the Mavs could use Wang as a spare, but a spare simply isn´t worth the trouble it would have caused to keep him.

Fidel · 11-10-2002, 12:04 AM

And the reason why these chinese guys are in the NBA right now is an economical one mostly. I have no doubt that china will produce some nice NBA players in the future, but this generation simply isn´t ready to play. They lack too many essentials (maybe Yao can be solid sometime, but it seems like it´s way too early for him too). If not for the $$$ they wouldn´t be around IMO.

madape · 11-10-2002, 09:42 AM

Wang is in the league for the same reason that Randy Moss and Master P made NBA preseason rosters. People will pay money to watch freak shows. The funniest thing about this whole thing is that the NBA marketing machine has actually convinced some "basketball fans" that these chinese fools can actually play!

David · 11-10-2002, 10:04 AM

I think that anyone that says Yao and Wang can't play at an NBA level is fooling themselves(Rudy T. knows talent). Yao is 7'5". NBA GMs will draft 7'5" any day of the week, even if they are from Bumfuct, Egypt. Throw in the fact that Yao has coordination and the ability to learn and you WILL have a player. Yao is not ready to compete this year but next year he should be more prepared. Yao didn't grow up playing in the American or Euro systems and had no one to challenge and push him in China. Five years from now, Yao will be a top player in the NBA, depending on whether or not he gets to train in the US. Not being able to, may slow him down, as it has Wang.

aexchange · 11-10-2002, 10:26 AM

<< And the reason why these chinese guys are in the NBA right now is an economical one mostly. I have no doubt that china will produce some nice NBA players in the future, but this generation simply isn´t ready to play. They lack too many essentials (maybe Yao can be solid sometime, but it seems like it´s way too early for him too). If not for the $$$ they wouldn´t be around IMO. >>

they've played 5 or 6 games.
let's give the guys some time, alright?

if we jumped on the bandwagon and judged dirk and detlef by their first seasons in the league, they wouldn't even be employed. its far too quick to make any kind of evaluation on yao and wang, especially yao because he hasnt even had much of a training camp.

Dooby · 11-11-2002, 11:12 AM

Official stats for Wang through six games: 11 Minutes with 4 DNP-CDs.

Usually Lurkin · 11-11-2002, 11:22 AM

Official stats for Wang through six games: 11 Minutes with 4 DNP-CDs.

It's a shame, isn't it, that after all he's been through to stay in America and play ball, he's still being oppressed for his political views.

Dooby · 11-11-2002, 11:40 AM

<< It's a shame, isn't it, that after all he's been through to stay in America and play ball, he's still being oppressed for his political views. >>

WTF?

Usually Lurkin · 11-11-2002, 01:32 PM

<< WTF? >>

heh, heh. gotcha.

Cipherous · 11-11-2002, 08:21 PM

Wang will always be wang, Wang did nothing for the MAVs and probably never will. WE already have the scorers and need more boards and help on the defensive end. There's no doubt that Wang would've rode the bench again this season even with Lafrentz out, maybe more PT time but definitely not starting. As for Yao Ming, he's even worse than Wang, althought I want Ming to be good...I don't see that happening for a few or even several years from now. When you're 7'5" and rather lay up then dunk, you're soft. When you get boxed out by a point guard, thats just weak. All in all, Ming has been very disappointing. I don't see the chinese producing "good" NBA players until the coaches over there realize that strength training and conditioning plays an integral part in success in basketball.

Dooby · 11-13-2002, 09:01 AM

Once more, with feeling: DNP-CD.

Evilmav2 · 11-13-2002, 05:50 PM

Wang... $4.5 million of DNP-CD...

aexchange · 11-13-2002, 06:03 PM

wang cost them $6M over 3 years. $2M a year isnt bad at all and i hardly see how that equates to $4.5M.

MavKikiNYC · 11-15-2002, 12:22 AM

Wang Zhizhi 11 2-3 0-0 0-0 2 0 1 4

Alright. He got off the bench, didn't look completely lost on defense, and even hit a nice shot off the dribble.

Chris Wilcox 8 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 0 0 0

This highly-regarded lottery pick however was one-rebound away from being an $80 billion player.

Clips look way out of synch.

Evilmav2 · 11-15-2002, 12:35 AM

OK, I was wrong... Wang is $6 million worth of poop...

Seriously though, the Clips were probably keeping Wang out of the lineup because he didn't take part in their training camp. And it does make some sense for the Clips to bring him up to speed on their offensive system before throwing him to the Western conference wolves playing the 3 and 4 spots. That said, when he becomes a regular part of their rotation, I will be amazed if he plays any differently than he did in Dallas. He will shoot three pointers, occasionally make a surprisingly impressive steal or pass, and be an absolutely horrible defensive liability. I watched him play tonight and he looked exactly like the same old Wang we got to see in Dallas last year. And that Wang is never going to be anything but an offensively one-dimensional, molasses footed sideshow...

Also, if any of y'all think that I have an unreasonable dislike of Wang, it has more to do with the fact that he "broke his word" to the Mavericks' organization (Nelson's words) than with any great dislike of his sub-par basketball game. It was actually amusing last year, watching him slow-foot it up and down the court hitting the occasional three pointer. It is also amusing watching him amass one DNP-CD after another, after another, after another with the Clippers. I would have wished that same kind of misfortune on Kurt Thomas a few years back...

David · 11-15-2002, 06:44 AM

I watched a little of the Clipper's/Magic game and got a chance to view Wang up close. Wang looks like he's on autopilot, like he's in low gear. If he had stayed a Mav, they needed to put him into that same workout program that Bradley was on, just to improve his stamina. I thought Wang did OK, it's just that if he is going to take his game to the next level, he needs to step it up and realize he "ain't" in China anymore and he needs to play with intensity.

007 · 11-15-2002, 10:31 AM

Wang's was not good at last game. He looked rusty, slow and uninterested. If he is playing like this, he should forget about not getting playtimes.

A wang's fan

Dooby · 11-18-2002, 09:34 AM

Friday's results: 9 minutes; 8 points; 2 rebounds.

Sunday's results: DNP-CD.

Usually Lurkin · 11-18-2002, 10:58 AM

<< Sunday's results: DNP-CD. >>

and again the clips lose

Dooby · 11-18-2002, 11:36 AM

If you are implying that not playing Wang is the reason the Clippers lose, you are drunk.

Usually Lurkin · 11-18-2002, 01:15 PM

All I'm implying is that Wang-DNPs and Clips losses are happening together a lot this year.

MavKikiNYC · 11-18-2002, 01:50 PM

By extension, is the implication that Alvin Gentry has no more idea of how to develop Wang's talent than Don Nelson did? And vice versa?

OutletPass · 11-18-2002, 03:01 PM

Wang's Talent

---Hmmmm. Still not exactly sure what we're talking about here. Kiki, I know that you felt that we should have kept him. I was definitely a Wang fan, if for no other reason than to see his weird smile after hitting a chalupa giving 3 pointer. But even now, I'm not sure of what he is and what he isn't. (Excepting his 3 point shooting, of course.

I had hoped that he would be given the development that he needed here, but it never worked out for various reasons. It's VERY early in the season and he's late in assimilating into the Clips, but what I've seen on season pass, isn't much different from what we saw here.

So I'm still left wondering what his real talent, or real potential is.
Very confusing...the answer still to come.

Yao is a bit of a different story. He's going to featured in terms of PT so we'll see what he is or isn't. I'm looking forward to seeing where he is next year or the year after. He could be a upside surprise to all who've judged him after a few games, as has been pointed out earlier in this thread. Dirk wasn't the Diggler his rookie year.

Just my take on it.

Lvubun1 · 11-19-2002, 02:59 AM

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Wang 2002 stats: 1.0 MPG, 0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg, 0.0 BPG, 0.0 spg... >>

He seems to be in a slump......

Dooby · 11-20-2002, 09:14 AM

Forgot to put up Monday's results.

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Evilmav2 · 11-20-2002, 02:23 PM

Wang's Talent?

Wang has certainly shown a talent for sitting on the bench this year...

Evilmav2 · 11-21-2002, 01:06 AM

Speaking of Wangs' talent, it looks like it had a breakout night tonight in a losing effort against the Kings...

6 pts, on 2-6 shooting, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 2 turnovers, and 1 PF

MavKikiNYC · 11-22-2002, 07:48 PM

If only the Mavs had gotten that level of production out of their starting center last night.

Fidel · 11-24-2002, 07:49 PM

Wangs line against the Rockets tonight:
11 mins, 0 pts, 0-3 fg, 0 rbs, 0 blk, 2 pf, 2 to, 1 ast, 1 stl.

MavKikiNYC · 11-24-2002, 08:53 PM

Bradley--M: 12 FG: 1-5 3FG: 0-0 FT: 2-3 OR: 2 DR: 1 Tot.R: 3 A: 0 PF: 4 S: 0 TO: 2 BS: 3 Pts: 4

Wang--__M: 11 FG: 0-3 3FG: 0-1 FT: 0-0 OR: 0 DR: 0 Tot.R: 0 A: 1 PF: 2 S: 1 TO: 2 BS: 0 Pts: 0

Not that different.

MavKikiNYC · 11-24-2002, 09:41 PM

Come to think of it, Kand's line was pretty mediocre too.

MICHAEL OLOWOKANDI C 29 3-6 0-0 4-6 1 3 4 2 4 0 2 0 10

And Ming came back to earth:

YAO MING C 28 1-4 0-0 2-3 0 7 7 0 4 0 3 2 4

Cipherous · 11-24-2002, 10:06 PM

Kandi and Ming were guarding each other. Come on, Kandi is arguably the 2nd best center and Ming is no slouch either. Thats why the rest of their teams stepped up.

Fidel · 11-24-2002, 11:22 PM

<< Bradley--M: 12 FG: 1-5 3FG: 0-0 FT: 2-3 OR: 2 DR: 1 Tot.R: 3 A: 0 PF: 4 S: 0 TO: 2 BS: 3 Pts: 4

Wang--__M: 11 FG: 0-3 3FG: 0-1 FT: 0-0 OR: 0 DR: 0 Tot.R: 0 A: 1 PF: 2 S: 1 TO: 2 BS: 0 Pts: 0 >>

Yeah not much of a difference Kikki but how about:

14 pts, 5-6 fg, 4-4 ft, 13 rbs, 1 ast, 1 pf, 0 stl, 0 pto, 4 blk. all in 30 mins of play.

or:

10 pts, 4-4 fg, 2-4 ft, 18 rb (7 orb), 0 ast, 5 pf, 1 stl, 3 to, 3blk. all in 38 mins of play.

If Wang manages to put up numbers anywhere near those even once this year, it would be a huge accomplishment.

And don´t give me that weak argument that he doesn´t get pt. He doesn´t get any pt because he can´t produce, not the other way around. Just look at his efficiency rating. It´s negative allmost allways. For his last game the rating is -3.0, and -0.27 per minute. Would you play such a guy if you were coach?

Drbio · 11-25-2002, 12:29 AM

Some of you have a wierd Wang fetish....

Usually Lurkin · 11-25-2002, 02:07 PM

just wait till he has a chance to show what he can really do.

MavKikiNYC · 11-25-2002, 02:57 PM

<< 14 pts, 5-6 fg, 4-4 ft, 13 rbs, 1 ast, 1 pf, 0 stl, 0 pto, 4 blk. all in 30 mins of play.

or:

10 pts, 4-4 fg, 2-4 ft, 18 rb (7 orb), 0 ast, 5 pf, 1 stl, 3 to, 3blk. all in 38 mins of play.

If Wang manages to put up numbers anywhere near those even once this year, it would be a huge accomplishment. >>

Whose are those numbers, and what are they doing here, Mr. Barkley?

So if the Wangster busts out for 19 sometime this year, will you be willing to kiss somebody's something-or-other? Dooby, I believe, is down for a car wash, if Wang hits 23 twice. Do I hear a higher offer?

<< And don´t give me that weak argument that he doesn´t get pt. He doesn´t get any pt because he can´t produce, not the other way around. >>

Is that the way it works for Mantis too? Or just Wang? If SB gets 4 fouls in 13 minutes and can't contribute for the rest of the game, how different is that, ultimately, from a DNP? The weakest arguments are those 48-minute-projected, coefficient-of-drag adjusted, reverse-double-somersault-spin, voodoo-economics concocted ones that say that SB is still contributing, nay DOMINATING for the fraction of a game that he lurches onto the court. I am developing TMJ syndrome from clinching my teeth when I see postings telling about how SB is still affecting the game positively for the Mavs, even though he didn't score a point, or grab more than a couple of rebounds, or play more than a grand total of 13 tea-totlin' minutes.

Holding my breath in hopes that SB hasn't begun his irreversible downward trajectory for the season. OTOH, my posts per day numbers should increase if he continues to give so much material to write about.

Usually Lurkin · 11-25-2002, 03:05 PM

MavKiki-
why are you rambling on about Bradley's per48min stats?

This is a thread about how great Wang is. If you want to compare on-court production of the two players, that might make sense.

-However: those stats would only serve to make Wang look bad and Bradley look good. So please, if you want to let us know about the absolute dominance of Shawn Bradley in the per48min stats, start another thread.

madape · 11-25-2002, 05:45 PM

Wang has never had more than 6 rebounds in a game in his entire career.

Shawn Bradley has already eclipsed that mark seven times this year.

Wang has never had more than two blocks in a game in his entire career.

Shawn Bradley has already eclipsed that mark six times this year.

Wang is shooting 31.8% from the field this year.

Bradley is shooting 57.7%

Wang is averaging a turnover every 7.7 minutes.

Bradley is averaging a turnover every 19.8 minutes.

Bradley has already grabbed 100 boards.

Wang has grabbed a whopping SIX.

Wang has more turnovers (7) than he has rebounds (6).

Bradley has more blocks (35) than missed field goals (30).