Predict the Mavs in 2017

[EricaLubarsky]

Currently 0-4

Upcoming games
10/25 - MEM - WIN
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11/4 - @MIN - LOSS
11/7 - @WAS - LOSS
11/11 - CLE - LOSS
11/14 - SAS - LOSS
11/17 - MIN
11/18 - MIL
11/20 - @SAS
11/22 - NJN
11/25 - LAC
12/4 - DEN
12/6 - @BOS
12/8 - @MIL
12/10 - @MIN
12/12 - SAS
12/14 - @GSW
12/16 - @SAS
12/18 - PHX
12/20 - DET
12/22 - @MIA
12/23 - @ATL
12/26 - TOR
12/27 - @IND
12/29 - @NOP
12/31 - @OKC

[sefant77]

over 9000

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

I just call it like I see it30-4

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

When shooting guard Gian Clavell checked in for the first time, Green had no idea who the undrafted rookie from Colorado State was. He could be seen asking the Mavericks, “Hey, who is this?”

Draymond Green asking the Mavs "hey, who is this?" when rookie Gian Clavell enters the game

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

Last thing. Start Whitley

[MavzMan]

Dammit! I didn't see the "Don't care. Just play Noel." until after I clicked to vote. I say we need a re-vote!

[spreedom]

Thank Christ for the Ignore User feature.

Also, I'm not quite to "Fire Carlisle if he won't play Nerlens at least 25mpg", but I'm also not really far away from it either. He's been our best player when he's been on the court so far this season, and I think if he started at C and played 35mpg he would be All-Defense caliber this season. Play him!!!

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

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[Fragism]

Are you drunk?

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by jamaljasonandjimmy

pointless rage quit post

[Twenty4sevenn]

Originally Posted by jamaljasonandjimmy

derp.

[MavzMan]

I'm so confused.

[Male30Dan]

I think I'm super optimistic frankly given Dirk is, well, not Dirk anymore. Just wonder how optimistic some of you still are that claimed we were playoff bound now that we're sitting with the worst record in basketball and one of the worst differentials in basketball... Not looking good fellas...

[rimrocker]

We should be able to get 4 wins over that stretch.
I see getting 4 of PHX, IND, NJN, NOP(x2), DET, ATL, and probably at least one of the remaining teams being complacent.

[saclare]

I'm OK with a losing season, and we really couldn't expect much more out of this roster and how stacked the West is...

But give me all the burn for guys like DSJ, Noel, Barnes, Curry, Yogi, and the like. Sure, throw in some Dirk twilight and I've always enjoyed watching JJ and Devin do their thing, but I am so far gone on watching Powell and Matthews, despite their contracts. Find out what we have in the young core and build on it. Powell and Matthews, and to a smaller degree, Mejri, won't be here after the next season or 2, so why limit the others trying so hard to find minutes for these guys? The Noel situation is already approaching boiling point, and it's absolutely maddening that not only is he on a 1 year QO deal, but he's played like our best player and can't crack over 20 minutes?

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by Male30Dan

I think I'm super optimistic frankly given Dirk is, well, not Dirk anymore. Just wonder how optimistic some of you still are that claimed we were playoff bound now that we're sitting with the worst record in basketball and one of the worst differentials in basketball... Not looking good fellas...

Even if we were headed to the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed we'd likely be swept. I hope this reality check has been good for the BT. We need to address our lack of talent because nothing else will get us back to those 50-win seasons.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Male30Dan

I think I'm super optimistic frankly given Dirk is, well, not Dirk anymore. Just wonder how optimistic some of you still are that claimed we were playoff bound now that we're sitting with the worst record in basketball and one of the worst differentials in basketball... Not looking good fellas...

Yeah, count me in as one of those that thought we actually had a chance to compete for the 6th seed. I was probably the only one who had that much ridiculous optimism. But this is coming from a guy who thought Greg Smith was going to be a star on this team so what the hell do I know

I don't mind eating crow but just wish this team had some type of strategy going forward. Almost seems the strategy is to tank with vets which makes absolutely no logical sense.

[SMC0007]

Well, I don't think anyone planned on Dirk hitting the wall this hard. There is no other clear leader and he can't do it anymore.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by saclare

I'm OK with a losing season, and we really couldn't expect much more out of this roster and how stacked the West is...

But give me all the burn for guys like DSJ, Noel, Barnes, Curry, Yogi, and the like. Sure, throw in some Dirk twilight and I've always enjoyed watching JJ and Devin do their thing, but I am so far gone on watching Powell and Matthews, despite their contracts. Find out what we have in the young core and build on it. Powell and Matthews, and to a smaller degree, Mejri, won't be here after the next season or 2, so why limit the others trying so hard to find minutes for these guys? The Noel situation is already approaching boiling point, and it's absolutely maddening that not only is he on a 1 year QO deal, but he's played like our best player and can't crack over 20 minutes?

THIS!!!!!!!

As I've mentioned several times we should win or lose with our youth as the catalysts and the vets in very limited playing roles.
The good thing is that Rick will be forced to play our youth about 25 games in or his job will/should be on the line if he doesn't.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Well, I don't think anyone planned on Dirk hitting the wall this hard. There is no other clear leader and he can't do it anymore.

Dirk not being able to even shoot-- I knew he'd be immobile, but he cant even shoot
Noel not getting 30mpg
Curry being injured
Powell playing major minutes
Barnes being turribull

Lots of things no one expected.

I did call Smith being pretty good

[purplefrog]

I predict RC will have it figured out by Jan 1, and we will look back at this thread in amazement on how little confidence we had in his abilities. He's tinkering right now, but will settle in with a rotation sometime in mid-late November. I suspect at that time Powell will either be playing much better or benched, Dirk will be averaging 16 ppg and 6 rebounds per game, Curry will be back at full strength, and Noel will be playing 28 mpg. Second half of the season Mavs play .500 ball and finish #11 in the West.

The confidence in my predictions comes from monthly meetings with the Nostradamus club in a secret location in northern Ft. Worth. In these meetings we practice our future telling powers and I now score at about 81.7%.

On a more serious note, we knew this would be a tough year and I think RC is going to tinker until the MBB gets a clearer picture on who will be part of the long-term future of the team. I suspect we will have several trades or players being waived before the trade deadline.

[sefant77]

May the tin foil be with you

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

I suspect at that time Powell will either be playing much better or benched,

The problem I (and probably some others) have with Powell is that it has become obvious he won't get any better at anything other than possibly shooting. He brings nothing else to the table and I'm almost to the point of hoping he doesn't hit 3s so that Rick will bench him. Great guy and great attitude but I'd rather not go that direction because Rick will play him at center at the cost of Noel minutes.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Dirk not being able to even shoot-- I knew he'd be immobile, but he cant even shoot
Noel not getting 30mpg
Curry being injured
Powell playing major minutes
Barnes being turribull

Lots of things no one expected.

I did call Smith being pretty good

Hey hey...1 out of 6 ain't bad

Edit: unless you're Wes Matthews.

[Skywalker]

Originally Posted by saclare

Hey hey...1 out of 6 ain't bad

Edit: unless you're Wes Matthews.

Carlisle will still play him 35mpg regardless tho

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Skywalker

Carlisle will still play him 35mpg regardless tho

Close! 41 minutes!

[NeedlesKane]

All I know is that the last time the Mavericks were this bad after 9 games played it was Dirk's rookie year. That was a strike-shortened season, and the Mavericks finished 19-31. That team was desperate to improve after one of the worst decades in sports history though.

[NeedlesKane]

Which seasons did the Mavericks start 1-8, and what were their season records?
1981-82 28-54
1992-93 11-71
1993-94 13-69
1998-99 19-31
2017-18 TBD

Mavericks average start (after 9 games): 4.34-4.66
Mavericks average season record: 39.89-38.92

Mavericks average start (after 9 games during Dirk era): 5-4
Mavericks average season record (Dirk era): 46.55-29.4

Average season record by start:
1-8: 14.4-46.6
2-7: 30.5-51.5
3-6: 28.7-53.3
4-5: 40.25-37.75
5-4: 44.75-37.25
6-3: 50.4-31.6
7-2: 56.5-25.5
9-0: 60-22

The 19-31 season is Dirk's worst. Will this season be worse? I feel like it really should. For an 82 game season you could say that team would have won 31 games, which would be the lowest total during the Dirk era. I think the Mavericks could win as low as 19-20 games. I feel like 31 is the absolute highest they'll win, and that's pushing it.

[BigDog63]

I didn't expect the Mavs to tear up the NBA, but I didn't see 1-10 coming, at all.

DSJ not sparking things like I thought he would.

[Fragism]

Originally Posted by BigDog63

I didn't expect the Mavs to tear up the NBA, but I didn't see 1-10 coming, at all.

DSJ not sparking things like I thought he would.

Yeah, look at the schmoes he has to play with

[NeedlesKane]

Look at that November 22nd matchup. Who made the goof?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BigDog63

I didn't expect the Mavs to tear up the NBA, but I didn't see 1-10 coming, at all.

DSJ not sparking things like I thought he would.

Yeah, the problem is coach wants him to be a pass first pg passing to guards who are afraid to shoot and bigs who mostly can't score. He should really focus this year on learning who to shoot/score because he is incredibly indecisive with it. I'm not worried about the passing as he is fully able to close in on defense and get players the ball.

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by sefant77

May the tin foil be with you

Actually, looking back at Rick's track record with the Mavs, these predictions sound about right to me. Not like he's predicting championship caliber, or anything....just a climb back up to 11th in the West. Entirely plausible.

The better question, at that point, might be...should they?

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Dirk not being able to even shoot-- I knew he'd be immobile, but he cant even shoot
Noel not getting 30mpg
Curry being injured
Powell playing major minutes
Barnes being turribull

Lots of things no one expected.

I did call Smith being pretty good

Dirk is actually shooting a career high percentage from 3, it's his 2 pt FG percentage that has plummeted. That strikes me as legs. He's struggled shooting early in recent seasons. Confidence probably a part of it too. He'll likely get both back after Christmas, and shooting will improve.

[j0Shi]

I remember these rough starts to the season as well in the last years. He usually came back eventually.

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by BigDog63

Dirk is actually shooting a career high percentage from 3, it's his 2 pt FG percentage that has plummeted. That strikes me as legs. He's struggled shooting early in recent seasons. Confidence probably a part of it too. He'll likely get both back after Christmas, and shooting will improve.

Definitely legs. 2's usually involve some posting up, a fade away, or a step to evade a defender. The 3's are usually standing still where someone else has done the work to get Dirk open.

[NeedlesKane]

I am wondering if we're headed for another sub-.200 record so I looked at the history of sub-.200 seasons in the league.



Note (1): 31 sub-.200 seasons in NBA history
Note (2): 11 teams have never had a sub-.200 season
Note (3): 8 teams have had multiple sub-.200 seasons
Note (4): Warriors sub-.200 season before the modern era as Philadelphia Warriors
Note (5): Spurs only have 6 sub-.500 NBA seasons
Note (6): Philadelphia 76ers have the worst full season in NBA history at 9-73 in 1972-73
Note (7): Charlotte Bobcats have the fewest wins in NBA history at 7-59 in 2011-12 during strike shortened season
Note (8): Washington Wizards organization's worst season was in 1961-62 as the Chicago Packers at 18-62
Note (9): Indiana Pacers, Oklahoma City Thunder, San Antonio Spurs, and Utah Jazz have never won fewer than 20 games
Note (10): The worst season for the Utah Jazz in 1974-75 is better than anyone else's at 23-59

If we have a sub-.200 season this year it'll set the record for an organization.

Does anyone want to see what picks those seasons earned?

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

I am wondering if we're headed for another sub-.200 record so I looked at the history of sub-.200 seasons in the league.



Note (1): 31 sub-.200 seasons in NBA history
Note (2): 11 teams have never had a sub-.200 season
Note (3): 8 teams have had multiple sub-.200 seasons
Note (4): Warriors sub-.200 season before the modern era
Note (5): Spurs only have 6 sub-.500 NBA seasons
Note (6): Philadelphia 76ers have the worst full season in NBA history at 9-73 in 1972-73
Note (7): Charlotte Bobcats have the fewest wins in NBA history at 7-59 in 2011-12 during strike shortened season
Note (8): Washington Wizards organization's worst season was in 1961-62 as the Chicago Packers at 18-62
Note (9): Indiana Pacers, Oklahoma City Thunder, San Antonio Spurs, and Utah Jazz have never won fewer than 20 games
Note (10): The worst season for the Utah Jazz in 1974-75 is better than anyone else's at 23-59

If we have a sub-.200 season this year it'll set the record for an organization.

Does anyone want to see what picks those seasons earned?

Yes