Ahhhhh Dirk gets the pass again : ) - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

AxdemxO · 01-25-2009, 08:48 PM

Sooo once again Dirk gets the pass. I admit I have seen a few posters get on him and all. I am sure we are all busy getting on Josh over the last few months, with good reason and we all hope that he gone, well most of us including me.

All the reactions I have seen today have been

"we have......."

"we looked........"

"Damp was bad....." ???

"Kidd was bad......."

"why does Dirk always play bad on sunday...."

Damp actually battled, Kidd could have been better, Jet was decent, and the rest well were a few hustlers of the bench, but thats all they were. BUT DIRK, come on people, Dirk SUCKED. I can say that and not even need an explanation to back it up. He got shut down by KG. In the first few minutes he looked good and actually looked good on D, BUT then things got a lil rough and Dirk became a lil bitch. THA STAR player can have a bad game here and there, they are human. BUt what Dirk did today was NOT a bad game. He was pathetic, frustrated, mentally and physically weak lil bitch. I know this doesn't happen to him a lot, but it shouldnt happen period. Dirk will bounce back and the Mavs will be fine, but what if we in the finals and this happens.

All I am asking is that people knowledge how pathetic Dirk was. Just acknowledge it and move on as I am going to. The whole team was bad, but Dirk SUCKED and our star he cant do that.

GO MAVS

Re-Dirk-ulous · 01-25-2009, 08:55 PM

First

Rick41 · 01-25-2009, 08:58 PM

2nd!

Dirk can be horrible sometimes.

But he is stellar most of the times.

So it evens out.

ghazi · 01-25-2009, 08:59 PM

Dirk's not getting a pass, it's just when you lose by 24 and are down by as much as 35 why single someone out?

LonghornDub · 01-25-2009, 09:05 PM

It's not about him getting "a pass." The simple fact of the matter is that Dirk is by far the best player on the team and should be the least of our worries, even when he has a bad game. Every superstar has terrible games from time to time.

ghazi · 01-25-2009, 09:08 PM

Im past the point of getting upset at anyone in particular... you cant pinpoint our atrocious perimeter defense, our inability to get to the line, our inability to shoot 3's, our inability to slash, our inconsistent bench, our lack of points in the paint, our inability to force turnovers... and so on on missing Devin's legs or Josh howard not having his head on straight. It's beyond 1-2 players at this point, the bottom line is the Mavs have gotten worse over the past 2-3 years and other teams have gotten better, that's basically the difference between winning 60 and winning 45.

Re-Dirk-ulous · 01-25-2009, 09:17 PM

Eh, dirk just had an off night, let it rest fellas

I think he was experiencing side effects from that fever he had a few games ago...

Lets go after J-Ho. He didn't do his part on the rebounding game.. Only 5? grrr! Off with his head!

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 01-25-2009, 09:19 PM

The Celtics know how to take him out of his game. Be physical against him. It is a problem because Miami did the same thing in the Finals and Golden State did the same in Round 1. We need a punishing offensive bruiser low post scorer (Kaman etc..) or we will never win an NBA Championship.

ghazi · 01-25-2009, 09:20 PM

Chris Kaman isn't that good FWIW.

DavidDaMonkey · 01-25-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

The Celtics know how to take him out of his game. Be physical against him. It is a problem because Miami did the same thing in the Finals and Golden State did the same in Round 1. We need a punishing offensive bruiser low post scorer (Kaman etc..) or we will never win an NBA Championship.

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Originally Posted by ghazi

Chris Kaman isn't that good FWIW.

and he is far from a "punishing offensive bruiser"

BGMaverick9 · 01-25-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

All I am asking is that people knowledge how pathetic Dirk was. Just acknowledge it and move on as I am going to. The whole team was bad, but Dirk SUCKED and our star he cant do that.

GO MAVS

See, most people can't do that...they'll latch on and won't leave it be. I have no problem admitting Dirk had a crappy game, he's allowed to, last I checked he is a human being. He finds a way to balance it out to where his average is very damn good. He'll have some games where he is untouchable and then some games where he stinks up the joint. The meat and potatoes of his game where the average really lies is left at a really high mark.

I think you're way off base to say Dirk isn't allowed to have games like today. Really? It's just flat out not allowed because he's our star? The bottom isn't allowed to fall out for Dirk? The last I checked we had quite a few problems with the roster and he does a pretty good job of masking it. He has to carry the load because frankly he only really has one legit threat along side of him to carry the scoring load. The guy is going to wear down in the process. It's ebb and flow, there will be highs and there will be lows...today was a low. There are problems, he isn't one of them.

Re-Dirk-ulous · 01-25-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

Chris Kaman isn't that good FWIW.

Better than what we have right now... or in other words, the best we can get right now.

If we want a center/low poster scorer, a 2nd tier center like Kaman is the best thing we can get

BGMaverick9 · 01-25-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

The Celtics know how to take him out of his game. Be physical against him. It is a problem because Miami did the same thing in the Finals and Golden State did the same in Round 1. We need a punishing offensive bruiser low post scorer (Kaman etc..) or we will never win an NBA Championship.

It doesn't have to be a low-post guy. They need someone who isn't afraid to fight back in general, they need to have a swagger. Players (I think D.J. Augustin was one of them) have said once you bark back at the Celtics and you battle back, they will wilt away. They're just bullies, so you need someone who isn't afraid and won't back down.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 01-25-2009, 09:28 PM

Or really just someone to make teams pay when they double Dirk and take him out of his game. Michael Redd is on IR for the rest of the season, we're not going anywhere this season anyway. Give up J-Ho for him and ask for a 1st round pick then start getting excited about next year.

ghazi · 01-25-2009, 09:31 PM

Is Kaman back anyway? Dude's been out for weeks if I'm not mistaken.

Anywho, the good teams will find a way here and there to win a game where its best player has a poor shooting night. the Cavs do it, the Celtics do it, the Lakers do it. Dirk's bad shooting becomes magnified due to our poor roster and below average defense.

All the elite teams this year have limited Dirk tremendously... he had poor games both times against the Lakers, he had a HORRIBLE game against the Cavs, and today v the Celtics. Decent game v Magic I guess.

BGMaverick9 · 01-25-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

Is Kaman back anyway? Dude's been out for weeks if I'm not mistaken.

Anywho, the good teams will find a way here and there to win a game where its best player has a poor shooting night. the Cavs do it, the Celtics do it, the Lakers do it. Dirk's bad shooting becomes magnified due to our poor roster and below average defense.

All the elite teams this year have limited Dirk tremendously... he had poor games both times against the Lakers, he had a HORRIBLE game against the Cavs, and today v the Celtics. Decent game v Magic I guess.

It's because they know Jet and Dirk is really all they have to worry about...you'll take your chances of Howard/Kidd/Wright/George beating you.

I think with Kaman, they're not rushing him back...is there really a need to for them anyways?

basketballgirl25 · 01-25-2009, 09:41 PM

maybe Dirk should learn something from the game and try being more like KG

darkwitzki · 01-25-2009, 09:45 PM

The Mavs should try to bully the next teams were up against..

ghazi · 01-25-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by basketballgirl25

maybe Dirk should learn something from the game and try being more like KG

Dirk should talk shit to point guards?

Flacolaco · 01-25-2009, 09:50 PM

Congratulations on starting yet another thread. Well done.

jthig32 · 01-25-2009, 09:57 PM

This thread is a steaming pile of crap.

Usually Lurkin · 01-25-2009, 09:58 PM

Dirk gets a pass 'cause there's nothing you can do about him.
You need multiple superstars to win it all these days. We've got one of those in Dirk. Everyone else represents potential to become another. We can dream about trading Josh for a real superstar, or try to wish and complain him into playing like one. We can do the same for Terry and Kidd, too. But we can't improve on Dirk. Unless you think he can improve to the level of Lebron James (who is 2 superstars in 1 body), or you think you've worked out a trade to get 2 superstars in return for Dirk, there's not much to do. Dirk is what he is, 1 of the multiple superstars we'll need to win a championship.

Re-Dirk-ulous · 01-25-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

Dirk should talk shit to point guards?

Then he'll be accused of racism and it will break into a big story and the league will conduct a thorough investigation into the matter

alexamenos · 01-25-2009, 10:03 PM

I love Dirk too much to say anything bad about him.

fluid.forty.one · 01-25-2009, 10:06 PM

Axdemx0 can you never post here again.

Thanks.

ps - ^^^ this has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. Dirk did suck. You just suck way, way more.

Danny Boi · 01-25-2009, 10:11 PM

I can feel your frustration axdemx0. However, Dirk is the least of the pathetic Mavericks problems. Dirk does put up some ugly games but that will happen to a star once in a while when nobody is there to help him. Teams can zero in on Dirk because there is not another reliable scorer to help him out but Jason Terry, and even he is very streaky. When you take that into consideration you should be happy to have a guy that averages 27 ppg and 8rpg. As painful as this game was to watch I hoped it opened Cubans eyes so he can stop all the BS about "I'm not trading Howard." We have seen what he can offer and if a team wants to trade us a player with some upside for him we should do it, and yes I'm talking about Bargnani.

Re-Dirk-ulous · 01-25-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Dirk gets a pass 'cause there's nothing you can do about him.
You need multiple superstars to win it all these days. We've got one of those in Dirk. Everyone else represents potential to become another. We can dream about trading Josh for a real superstar, or try to wish and complain him into playing like one. We can do the same for Terry and Kidd, too. But we can't improve on Dirk. Unless you think he can improve to the level of Lebron James (who is 2 superstars in 1 body), or you think you've worked out a trade to get 2 superstars in return for Dirk, there's not much to do. Dirk is what he is, 1 of the multiple superstars we'll need to win a championship.

Yes, and good chemistry also makes "multiple superstars"

Another problem is having a 7-foot offensive foward as the first option doesn't cut it. Didn't work when Garnett was the superstar, didn't work when Gasol was the superstar, it's not working with Bosh as the superstar. Those type of players need to be the 2nd option to go places and win titles, unless the player is a Duncan-type 7-foot foward. But even that alone won't get it done the way the league plays today.

Maybe I'm being harsh with "2nd option", just get some really, really good guys around him.

tcat075 · 01-25-2009, 10:23 PM

I'll give him a pass, I suppose.

Still, he didn't just have an "off night". Dirk hit NOTHING that was a layup, missed 20 shots, had the ball stolen, had passes go off/through his hands, made bad passes, made bad fouls, misses multiple FT's (bad by his standards), and got to the line usually on bad fouls by Boston.

That was probably the worst game Dirk had ever had. Debatable, obviously, but it was abysmal.

basketballgirl25 · 01-25-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

Dirk should talk shit to point guards?

no play better and hit shots, sure Dirk can have off nights so can KG and every other player in the nba, but hitting shots and playing D helps and from what I saw KG was pretty good at making his shots. Althought Dirk could talk shit to point guards as well if he wants

BGMaverick9 · 01-25-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by basketballgirl25

no play better and hit shots, sure Dirk can have off nights so can KG and every other player in the nba, but hitting shots and playing D helps and from what I saw KG was pretty good at making his shots. Althought Dirk could talk shit to point guards as well if he wants

Are you seriously going to try to make a comparison between the two without taking the rest of the rosters into consideration?

Usually Lurkin · 01-25-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Re-Dirk-ulous

Yes, and good chemistry also makes "multiple superstars"

Another problem is having a 7-foot offensive foward as the first option doesn't cut it. Didn't work when Garnett was the superstar, didn't work when Gasol was the superstar, it's not working with Bosh as the superstar. Those type of players need to be the 2nd option to go places and win titles, unless the player is a Duncan-type 7-foot foward. But even that alone won't get it done the way the league plays today.

Maybe I'm being harsh with "2nd option", just get some really, really good guys around him.

It didn't work when Kobe was the only option, and it didn't work when Paul Pierce was the only option, either. And neither of them is 7 feet tall. Dirk is better than KG and Gasol, but he does need someone that can occassionaly be the finals MVP.

Tokey41 · 01-26-2009, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by basketballgirl25

no play better and hit shots, sure Dirk can have off nights so can KG and every other player in the nba, but hitting shots and playing D helps and from what I saw KG was pretty good at making his shots. Althought Dirk could talk shit to point guards as well if he wants

KG's a trash talking punk that should, in theory, have way more technicals than he does because of all that taunting (every... single... game).

KG needs to learn from Dirk and calm down. I think it's pathetic how the league praises such an obnoxious, arrogant, jerk (And that's the persona he's given the whole Celtics team, why do you think they are so disrespected despite being champions? Everyone wants a piece of them). Dirk on the other hand always seems to get the shaft and STILL takes it all in strides as a professional.

He doesn't need his own fans criticizing his game, he gets enough of that from the rest of the league.

Janett_Reno · 01-26-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

The Celtics know how to take him out of his game. Be physical against him. It is a problem because Miami did the same thing in the Finals and Golden State did the same in Round 1. We need a punishing offensive bruiser low post scorer (Kaman etc..) or we will never win an NBA Championship.

You said it perfectly. First of all Mark Jackson said as we destroyed the Pistons, in the middle of the game as one person said, if the Mavs beat the Celts on this road trip they will be 2-1 and have a good series. Jackson said, the Celts are completely differ from the Pistons and the Celts will take Dirk out of the game. Was he ever right. By 5 mins into the game, Dirk was taking the ball out of bounds and handing the ball to Garnett, under our own basket and it turned into a 5 point play. We lost the game within 5 mins of the game as Dirk was scarred to death and terrible. I do not sugar coat it.

They made Dirk no more than a bomber and told him, don't you step in this painted area, so he didn't. Plus on the defensive end, just give it to the guy that Dirk guards and go dunk or lay up on him. We was going to lose but he should have jerked Dirk out of the game if he is scarred. In his and our teams defense, we have zero chance of beating a team like the Lakers or Celts in a series. I very seriously doubt we can beat the Spurs either. The Celts was going to win another title untill they got Bynum back and trying to make Gasol and Bynum a beast in the middle like all the Celts are and the Lakers have done a great job of it. That is if the Celts don't tell Bynum and Gasol not to step in the paint and they say ok, we won't.

This team beat Detroit because Detroit played a horse game with us with RH and AI. We can beat people in horse games and no defense. Teams that play in the paint and get physical and play defense, especially on Dirk, we can't beat. I have railed on Dirk but i must say on most of our guyhs, it was a layup fest and we did not play defense as Rondo or anyone could have made a layup every single time down if they wanted.

Orlando needs one more good inside man to help Howard. Cleveland maybe needs a defensive paint guy possibly also but both these teams are very good and can challenge the Celts. Detroit is gone, they have a one man show in AI now and it won't work. Out west, the Spurs better pick up some big physical young guys or they risk of going old like us and no good. They could use a David Lee to help bang on Gasol and Bynum but they can possibly give the Lakers some probs, maybe. Nobody out west is close to the Lakers and really not all that close to the Spurs in a series.

We are so easy to guard because we have zero paint players and have no one to go to, so defenses can sluff off and just guard Terry and Dirk and make Kidd shoot. Those trees just stood inside the paint like Mourning and Shaq did with us when we played Miami. Miami had one physical forward also that rebounds and was a load sometimes back then. They reduced us to a horse team after the first 2 games.

So now, we still have no inside game or player but we threw away one person that could penetrate thru the painted area and now we have zero post game and we now have no guard to penetrate to the rim. Then we do not play defense. I just wished all teams played us in horse games like Detroit did and outlaw the painted area. It must be a nightmare for Dampier saying, Hey Damp, could you stop those 5 Celts comming down the lane to dunk, I am back here and can't come back in that paint. Damp don't play squat on offense but he is about the last defensive player we have or maybe Howard or teams would go 130 a night on us, if they come in the paint. We will beat them or get close if they play us in horse.

dude1394 · 01-26-2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Re-Dirk-ulous

Yes, and good chemistry also makes "multiple superstars"

Another problem is having a 7-foot offensive foward as the first option doesn't cut it. Didn't work when Garnett was the superstar, didn't work when Gasol was the superstar, it's not working with Bosh as the superstar. Those type of players need to be the 2nd option to go places and win titles, unless the player is a Duncan-type 7-foot foward. But even that alone won't get it done the way the league plays today.

Maybe I'm being harsh with "2nd option", just get some really, really good guys around him.

Your thoughts that you need a different player the way the league is officiated these days is dead-on. You almost have to have a guy who will get the hand-checking fouls and the small baby bumps in the lane that dirk will not get. You just have to.

Mavs are desperate for a guy like that. We don't have him on this team.

Janett_Reno · 01-26-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tokey41

KG's a trash talking punk that should, in theory, have way more technicals than he does because of all that taunting (every... single... game).

KG needs to learn from Dirk and calm down. I think it's pathetic how the league praises such an obnoxious, arrogant, jerk (And that's the persona he's given the whole Celtics team, why do you think they are so disrespected despite being champions? Everyone wants a piece of them). Dirk on the other hand always seems to get the shaft and STILL takes it all in strides as a professional.

He doesn't need his own fans criticizing his game, he gets enough of that from the rest of the league.

I also agree with you on KG. The Lakers have a good shot at them if Bynum and Gasol will be tough. Stay in that paint and take it to KG and them from 10 feet in or at the basket. I would play Bynum, Gasol, Kobe at same time or Odom in there somewhere at times also and go big with the Celts. KG will keep on, if they let him get away with it. The Cavs might not be far from challenging them also.

When KG was in MN, Gasol would take him out at 15 ft and then blow by him to the rim and even dunk on KG. He didn't have any help behind him where he does now. KG is a great player and can flat score but you must make him play defense also. I do not like his atitude either and hope someone beats them and i never thought i would pull for the Lakers but i sure will if they play the Celts. Mainly against KG.

Murphy3 · 01-26-2009, 12:37 AM

Dirk has his good games...his great games..and the occasional bad game. Yeah, you can gripe for him having an off night. But, anyone that believes that there's a blueprint for stopping Dirk is an idiot other than running multiple defenders at him virtually all the time. Otherwise, every team in the league would simply guard dirk that certain way without dedicating multiple defenders to him.

Hey, stopping the Mavs is based upon one thing.. slow dirk down. Obviously, there's not one way to slow him down or he wouldn't be having one of the greatest seasons of his career.. he wouldn't be on pace to be an All-NBA player again... he wouldn't be headed back to the All-Star game.

Anyways, suck my nuts

Janett_Reno · 01-26-2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Re-Dirk-ulous

Yes, and good chemistry also makes "multiple superstars"

Another problem is having a 7-foot offensive foward as the first option doesn't cut it. Didn't work when Garnett was the superstar, didn't work when Gasol was the superstar, it's not working with Bosh as the superstar. Those type of players need to be the 2nd option to go places and win titles, unless the player is a Duncan-type 7-foot foward. But even that alone won't get it done the way the league plays today.

Maybe I'm being harsh with "2nd option", just get some really, really good guys around him.

As great as Duncan is and has been, he had to have Gino, Parker and a stopper like Bowen. Plus usually he has had another banger helping him rebound. This was probably a good spanking and loss for the Spurs today because Pop saw that they must have another physical man in the middle. I feel they will try to go out and get one more physical paint guy and make teams beat them from the outside and not run lay up drills on them to.

KG has so much help now where he didn't in MN. I sure hope for a another big guy in the middle someday for Dirk to play with that is also a good option on offense. He has had Shawn Bradley, Fortson, Damp, Diop, Jamison.

We are down so much now with money, draft pix and not much trade options left, untill can we ever get that guy to help Dirk? The organazation went the wrong way chasing a pg when that wasn't our problem. We needed a big sg and needed a monster in the painted area that demanded the ball on offense. If Dirk and Terry ever play together somewhere and have them a beast in the middle, they will both put up really big numbers. On offense. I'm afraid Dirk might not get that player while he is here.

alby · 01-26-2009, 12:52 AM

Dirk owns.

AxdemxO · 01-26-2009, 01:16 AM

Ahh okk well at least you guys had a nice lil conversation and posted 37 times while I was at work, Dirk still sucked today though, but better days are ahead : )

GO MAVS

MainEv3nt · 01-26-2009, 02:12 AM

lol im really surprise u made this thread lmao.