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DevinHarriswillstart · 05-20-2017, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Someone mentioned it before. Anything that gets leaked right now is smoke and mirrors at the #9 spot. Whether they like or don't like DSJ or Monk is pure speculation.

Currently with the assets we have and the ability to trade future picks, I see no reason why we wouldn't go ALL IN on a franchise #1. I will keep beating that dead horse until I am blue in the face. We need to be aggressive.

Do you mean getting someone through a trade or draft?

Problem is that there really is no clear franchise number #1 player at 9 in this draft. Frank and Isaac have the most upside, but they wouldn't be ready to "take over" in a few years anyway.

In fact, that's what people need to realize. All of the lottery picks are 19 years old. Even the college guys might be a few years away. There is a lot of talent, but that doesn't mean you're getting a star next season.

hayth.james.g · 05-20-2017, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Do you mean getting someone through a trade or draft?

Problem is that there really is no clear franchise number #1 player at 9 in this draft. Frank and Isaac have the most upside, but they wouldn't be ready to "take over" in a few years anyway.

In fact, that's what people need to realize. All of the lottery picks are 19 years old. Even the college guys might be a few years away. There is a lot of talent, but that doesn't mean you're getting a star next season.

Aggressive as in using assets to move up in the draft if necessary to get "our guy". This is the deepest draft in a decade. I believe we are looking at 4+ All nba 1st teamers here. Yes its a risk in any draft. This is THE draft to bet on. And you are right... none of these kids are the answer for next year or the next. This is about finding our next cornerstone. Not about finding a Barnes, Parsons, etc.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-20-2017, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Aggressive as in using assets to move up in the draft if necessary to get "our guy". This is the deepest draft in a decade. I believe we are looking at 4+ All nba 1st teamers here. Yes its a risk in any draft. This is THE draft to bet on. And you are right... none of these kids are the answer for next year or the next. This is about finding our next cornerstone. Not about finding a Barnes, Parsons, etc.

And what assets do we have to move up in the draft? What would your plan be to do that?

Underdog · 05-20-2017, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

And what assets do we have to move up in the draft? What would your plan be to do that?

Yeah, the #9 pick alone isn't much, and future firsts aren't guaranteed to yield a decent return if we get Fultz... We don't have Noel under contract to package, Wes is a negative asset in this scenario, Seth/Yogi/Devin/Barea don't add enough value, and including Barnes in the deal would be overpaying on our end.

Not many options to move up more than maybe a couple spots, which doesn't really do anything for us since the few teams ahead of us are probably gunning for the same players that we are.

Underdog · 05-30-2017, 06:49 PM

J.J. Barea accepts head coaching job in Puerto Rico

BPo001 · 06-05-2017, 11:59 AM

The Brooklyn Nets, Philadelphia 76ers, and Dallas Mavericks have expressed interest in bringing Jan Vesely back to the NBA, league sources told Basketball Insiders. – via Basketball Insiders

Underdog · 06-05-2017, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

The Brooklyn Nets, Philadelphia 76ers, and Dallas Mavericks have expressed interest in bringing Jan Vesely back to the NBA, league sources told Basketball Insiders. – via Basketball Insiders

What is he good at, again? Being tall?

EricaLubarsky · 06-05-2017, 10:39 PM

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What is he good at, again? Being tall?

If you squint, he looks like Raef LaFrentz

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-26-2017, 12:00 PM

Congrats to Yogi. He definitely deserved it. Big props to the mavs scouting.

EricaLubarsky · 06-26-2017, 08:36 PM

Dirk Nowitzki is the 2016-17 Twyman–Stokes Teammate of the Year! #NBAAwards*

@NBAonTNT

Underdog · 06-26-2017, 08:57 PM

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Dirk Nowitzki is the 2016-17 Twyman–Stokes Teammate of the Year! #NBAAwards*

@NBAonTNT

Never heard of that award, but GO DIRK!

EricaLubarsky · 07-12-2017, 10:53 PM

NBA season starts 10 days earlier this year

Thank goodness. Once the summer league ends tomorrow, it's going to be a long time until camp.

Underdog · 07-23-2017, 08:06 AM

Wesley Matthews shows off his coaching chops at The Basketball Tournament

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2017/7...all-tournament

Fragism · 07-23-2017, 09:52 AM

Yikes... Not sure about that haircut, Wes

Bryan_Wilson · 07-23-2017, 04:19 PM

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Yikes... Not sure about that haircut, Wes

Maybe the ugly hair will distract us during those 1-13 games, and 0-10 from 3.

mac222b · 07-23-2017, 04:47 PM

Too bad they missed their window to dump Wes. Maybe could've gotten a protected 1st during the season when he was shooting and playing well. Then he hit the Carlisle wall

G-Man · 07-26-2017, 12:16 PM

Really hoping Smith Jr lets Wes go back to spotting up for open 3's. Its been hard for him to create his own and easy to defend him when we lack other offense.

EricaLubarsky · 07-26-2017, 01:12 PM

The Matthews hate here is disturbing.

People cried for a 3/D guy. He's it.

Dude gets 90% of the flack for our crappy season, but it was just a bum roster and Rick made him do things he wasn't capable of.

SMC0007 · 07-26-2017, 02:52 PM

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The Matthews hate here is disturbing.

People cried for a 3/D guy. He's it.

Dude gets 90% of the flack for our crappy season, but it was just a bum roster and Rick made him do things he wasn't capable of.

I'm frustrated by the fact that he hasn't improved his handles in the years he has been a Professional, when that is his biggest...well almost only weakness in his game. It's the one thing you don't need much more than a ball and some cones to improve, you can do it anywhere. Part of being a professional is working on your biggest weakness to get the most out of yourself. Maybe he has worked tirelessly each offseason on it and just can't get it much better, but it doesn't appear to be the case.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-26-2017, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'm frustrated by the fact that he hasn't improved his handles in the years he has been a Professional, when that is his biggest...well almost only weakness in his game. It's the one thing you don't need much more than a ball and some cones to improve, you can do it anywhere. Part of being a professional is working on your biggest weakness to get the most out of yourself. Maybe he has worked tirelessly each offseason on it and just can't get it much better, but it doesn't appear to be the case.

I think this coincides with the fact that he often has poor decision making. Poor decision making plus poor handles is a near fatal combination.

SMC0007 · 07-26-2017, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I think this coincides with the fact that he often has poor decision making. Poor decision making plus poor handles is a near fatal combination.

Perhaps the fact that he is limited on where he can get with the ball contributes to his lack of options for his decision making. He can't get to the rim at will off the dribble so when he tries to penetrate he doesn't have the options for an outlet or ability to draw a foul.

mac222b · 07-26-2017, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'm frustrated by the fact that he hasn't improved his handles in the years he has been a Professional, when that is his biggest...well almost only weakness in his game. It's the one thing you don't need much more than a ball and some cones to improve, you can do it anywhere. Part of being a professional is working on your biggest weakness to get the most out of yourself. Maybe he has worked tirelessly each offseason on it and just can't get it much better, but it doesn't appear to be the case.

He isnt very athletic. Not a lot of bend- to use football parlance. He's stiff and upright. Unfortunately I think we're stuck with him the next two seasons. Don't see him opting out of 18m. Best case he'd get something like 3 for 30 or thereabouts and it'll be his last big contract. As Bryan Wilson said he's on the downside of his career and even if he has a bounce back career type year he's overpaid by 6m or a third of his salary(at least!). Still don't understand giving him the extra 4m after the DeAndre fiasco.

SMC0007 · 07-26-2017, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

He isnt very athletic. Not a lot of bend- to use football parlance. He's stiff and upright. Unfortunately I think we're stuck with him the next two seasons. Don't see him opting out of 18m. Best case he'd get something like 3 for 30 or thereabouts and it'll be his last big contract. As Bryan Wilson said he's on the downside of his career and even if he has a bounce back career type year he's overpaid by 6m or a third of his salary(at least!). Still don't understand giving him the extra 4m after the DeAndre fiasco.

Yea, he's not very athletic as far as jumping and agility goes, but it appears that he is plenty quick enough and has quick hands and good anticipation which is why he excels on defense. I just wish he could tighten up his dribbles to the point where he can get more places off the dribble and open up options for himself and everyone else. Since it appears he can't do that, it puts a lot of pressure on him to be a dead eye shooter.

Blaming a guards shortcomings on other guard play is hard for me to fully buy into.

rimrocker · 08-03-2017, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yea, he's not very athletic as far as jumping and agility goes, but it appears that he is plenty quick enough and has quick hands and good anticipation which is why he excels on defense. I just wish he could tighten up his dribbles to the point where he can get more places off the dribble and open up options for himself and everyone else. Since it appears he can't do that, it puts a lot of pressure on him to be a dead eye shooter.

Blaming a guards shortcomings on other guard play is hard for me to fully buy into.

I think it will be up to RC to get Wes into his comfort zone. That was difficult with our PGs last season but it should be much easier for RC to make that happen now with a skilled playmaking PG.
Last season Wes seemed to take on a role that wasn't conducive to his skillsets but now that we have a primary ball handler and true lane penetrator he can become more of that 3-D guy that we need.
I'm hoping Rick will put Wes back to SG because I think DSJ/Wes will be a better backcourt than DSJ/Curry.

I'd love to see Curry embrace and excel in that JET/NVE/Stack/VC sixth man role that has been vital for us for years.

saclare · 07-26-2017, 01:15 PM

Yup I like Wes. He seems like an ultimate teammate and person, on and off the court. He struggled because he had to do more than his usual. Expends most of his energy on the defensive side and then spots up for threes and goes for boards. The negative view of him will ease this season. His first season here, he was coming off of the Achilles injury, so he wasn't going to be 100% just yet. Then we know what happened last season. I think the FO and their comments when he was constantly mentioned in trades, that spoke volumes.

Bryan_Wilson · 07-26-2017, 02:31 PM

I think Wes is actually getting a pass IMO. Because we are a non contending team. If we were a contending team the reality would still be he is a 3 and d player who is making 18m a year, we signed him to a max contract(70m) the same year Danny Green got almost literally half the amount at 40m, and Green was not coming off a significant injury. Demarre Carroll got 52m that year, Ariza got 32m the year before. He's paid like a top 40-50 guy and in reality is not close to that talent wise and if picking a side, he's on the downside not the upside of his career. And When Wes signed he stated he was not just a 3 and d guy, he said he wanted to prove he was worth the max and it was even called the worst contract of the off season and posted to his twitter iirc. I believe he even made comments about making those people eat their words. I fully believe Wes would do better with better players around him, I don't think anyone has said otherwise really. That doesn't change the fact he's overpaid. And when the first thing people say positively about him is "locker room presence" then that's probably not a good sign for a guy making 36m over the next 2 years. I like Wes, I wanted him here more than Green or any other available 3 and d guy. But even if he shot 38% from 3 and scored 15 a game with good defense he'd be overpaid. He's getting a pass tho imo because we are not close to being a true contender, so the money means nothing right now.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-26-2017, 02:40 PM

People cried for a 3 and D guy envisioning a entirely different team two seasons ago with Parsons and DAJ. He made no sense the second DAJ reneged.

If he goes back to being a 3 and D guy playing 25 minutes or less, then I'm perfectly fine with his role on this team.

tap2390 · 07-26-2017, 02:38 PM

Dead on Bdub.

Underdog · 08-02-2017, 09:17 PM

Danny Crawford can burn in hell.

SMC0007 · 08-03-2017, 09:29 AM

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Danny Crawford can burn in hell.

T

Ejected.

EricaLubarsky · 08-03-2017, 11:13 AM

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T

Ejected.

But it was my first T!

Arguing? Triple T. Double ejected

dirt_dobber · 08-03-2017, 11:24 AM

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But it was my first T!

Arguing? Triple T. Double ejected

why I hope this board survives - you guys crack me up.

EricaLubarsky · 08-11-2017, 10:59 AM

Rookie photoshoot showed off our new player and our new jersey colors

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/08/1...oot-2017-recap

Underdog · 08-11-2017, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Rookie photoshoot showed off our new player and our new jersey colors

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/08/1...oot-2017-recap

Skywalker · 08-12-2017, 05:58 PM

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Those mannequins have Kyrie Irving shoes on, Kyrie to Mavs confirmed tbh

BPo001 · 08-11-2017, 11:59 AM

I figured they would have a cyberdust logo on them. Jerseys look ok. Don't really notice any changes besides the Nike swoosh.

Melonhead · 08-11-2017, 03:17 PM

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/a...y-great-teams/

"...But the conversation around this team was a dichotomy of awe and skepticism. Their talent was absurd, with James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and a solid cast of vets. But they never figured out how to play together. And the emotional strain of being labeled villains helped them fall apart at the worst time, during the Finals against an unkillable Mavericks team:

The Heat could (and probably should) have won that series (just as the Thunder probably should have won the WCF). But that Mavericks team was special. They played with so much freedom, confidence, precision and joy -- oh, and Dirk Nowitzki was unquestionably the best player on the floor in every game during that run.."

Interesting article on why none of Lebron's teams are truly considered great. I bolded the best part of the article

dirt_dobber · 08-12-2017, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/a...y-great-teams/

"...But the conversation around this team was a dichotomy of awe and skepticism. Their talent was absurd, with James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and a solid cast of vets. But they never figured out how to play together. And the emotional strain of being labeled villains helped them fall apart at the worst time, during the Finals against an unkillable Mavericks team:

The Heat could (and probably should) have won that series (just as the Thunder probably should have won the WCF). But that Mavericks team was special. They played with so much freedom, confidence, precision and joy -- oh, and Dirk Nowitzki was unquestionably the best player on the floor in every game during that run.."

Interesting article on why none of Lebron's teams are truly considered great. I bolded the best part of the article

Nice find - thanks!

Underdog · 08-17-2017, 11:43 PM

@dalton_trigg: In response to my piece I wrote the other day, @WessyWes23 tells me, "I promise I won't make you a liar." #MFFL

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2017/8...hooter-defense

Underdog · 08-19-2017, 08:09 PM

@IsaacHarrisNBA: Ladies & gentlemen, the 2010-11 Dallas Mavericks will be on NBA2K18